How many Ole threads ffs
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Seriously?
He took us where exactly? Hundred of millions spend - zero cups or titles. Only Moyes didn't win anything after Fergie and lasted 7 months...
He's clinging to the job like dear life cause he knows he won't get a top job anywhere else.
It's as if we're on a Manchester United forum, mental!
I used to be firmly "Ole out" and that was when we were doing a little better than this. Nowadays I don't even have the energy for it anymore. He's way out of his depth. He will never resign though, he'd be stupid to
The next manager we sign should be given a 2 year contract. This keeps him on his toes and if shit can easily be gotten shut of. If doing well during the last 6 months of his tenure can be offered another 2 years etc. Unless we are winning titles then 3-4 and the stupid 6 year contract should be avoided at all costs.
Nowhere did I say he had won anything, what I said was, he's taken us places. Come on now, don't let your hatred cloud over your vision.
Premier League from 6th to 3rd
FA Cup round from 6th to the Semi Finals
League Cup from round 3 to the Semi Finals
Europa League to the Semi Finals
It's great that more fans like you are seeing the situation for what it is. We've all wanted Ole to succeed, but an elite manager was always needed at an elite club like United (it IS an elite club because of its history, its fanbase, its money).
Not all top managers will succeed here. LvG and Mourinho are two examples (they were not outright failures anyway), but that does not mean that the club can get away with appointing a mediocre one. If a CEO does not succeed at a big company, the company does not then replace him with some bum off the street. The company gets another top CEO.
Ole, far from being elite, is a manager that even Championship clubs will think twice about acquiring, never mind PL clubs.
We're in reverse from that right now.
Also Mourinho record is more impressive
Finished runners up in the league
Europa League winner
FA cup runner up
You are comparing him to his own results.
The previous manager was Jose:
Premier League - 2nd place
FA Cup - final
League Cup - Won
Europa League - Won
hundreds of millions spent - worst start since 50 years.
So where exactly has he taken us? Have the standards fallen so low around here?
Since when winning nothing and getting 3rd in the last day of the season (could easily been 5th) is enough for United manager?
So what you are suggesting is the players most of whom are internationals and have lot of caps for their respective countries do not know how to pass the ball few yards. How did they manage to play for their countries and previous clubs then? Was all the games we've watched these players play for their previous clubs and do well before coming here just some kind of optical illusion?
You know this was also under him. We actually were in the final in 2018, Ole lost to Wolves and Chelsea in the next two years.
He took us to places worse than the previous manager.
I supported Ole but today was the final straw. Wasn't dead certain but he isn't up to it. Get rid of him now as it will just get worse if we keep him.
If we lose to Everton I expect a change to be made. I expect us to get a win though and Ole to be kept on.
I just hope we can finally kick on and start building a consistent run. Hopeful, but not expecting it.
I just hope we can finally kick on and start building a consistent run. Hopeful, but not expecting it.
did Jose not win all these or do better in them during his time ?
Unpopular Opinion: I seriously think that he will come good. And I know I will be slated but problem is not him, problem is the board. Its been too many years that board is doing the same thing. Hire a new manager, give him what he wants for the first season and then second season just buy stupid players (this time on the last decking day).
Not giving him Sancho or a wide wing man was a mistake (I have utmost respect for those two kids but they are just very raw). We want a 4 3 3 or 442 with wingers, and he doesn't have personal for it.
And yes, I see improvements in our style of play. We are more quick, and like to score goals unlike stupid LVG philosophy or Jose death slow teams
Not giving him Sancho or a wide wing man was a mistake (I have utmost respect for those two kids but they are just very raw). We want a 4 3 3 or 442 with wingers, and he doesn't have personal for it.
And yes, I see improvements in our style of play. We are more quick, and like to score goals unlike stupid LVG philosophy or Jose death slow teams
Does "trust in Ole confident he won't fix the coach issue" count?
For me, this was the 1st appointment Woodward has done with no much logic behind except saving money after the payoff to Mourinho.
He was always bound to fail, same as Moyes as he's clearly out of his depth at this level and the club was never going to give him unlimited funds to keep correcting his expensive mistakes.
He was always bound to fail, same as Moyes as he's clearly out of his depth at this level and the club was never going to give him unlimited funds to keep correcting his expensive mistakes.
I think it's time to go, sadly.
This, can't believe that people are so dug in with Ole that they don't see the issue here. Its silly and naive to expect Scot Mctominay to wake up one day and play like prime Carrick or to expect AWB to suddenly turn into prime Cafu just because we stuck with them and continued playing them - it certainly didn't happen with Jones and it won't happen now. Te fact that Ole can't see it is an indictment on him as manager and his football judgement. I like Ole but he lost me when he spent 130m pounds on Maguire and AWB,moving those players on is going to be a nightmare akin to the Jones and Rojo situations.
but surely you can still coach and give tactics, look at the players SAF missed out on, we must have had more then one option in the summer for RW rather then Sancho? after so long surely ole has to just say look leave that and get me so and so ?
last thing i see with this side is quickness to be honest, yes they get the odd counter attack but the tempo of our games is just as bad as anything jose and LVG produced.
You can only "give him coaches" if he wants new coaches. Two years in and he's shown no ambition to change his current setup. He's happy with the lads, and it'll be his undoing, just like it was for Moyes.
Do we really need another thread on Ole in vs Ole out debate?
I don’t know if people are getting confused.
I am suggesting that in a game of football, if a player repeatedly cannot find another player wearing the same kit as them, that is not down to coaching.
Is coaching an issue?? Yes, undoubtedly.
Should a professional player who earns £x xxxs a week be able to repeatedly pass the ball in the right direction with the correct amount of pace? Equally, yes! I know they should because I do on a weekly basis whenever I play.
I am not talking about the elegant, dangerous passes, I am talking about the short, simple ones that are repeatedly being given up by players. Yes, players, plural. It is not good enough.
If you think the manager/coach of a professional football team should be working on a team making short, simple passes, maybe football isn’t for you. This is the kind of thing that my son, aged 6, is doing and he is just learning to play
As in the poll in this thread https://www.redcafe.net/threads/would-you-sack-or-keep-ole-poll-reopened.450911/page-804. There are still at least 1,888 trust in him ffs.
Oh common, every single person in this forum know the problem is the board, but for the losses (even wins) of those games, there is nothing you can blame on the board. How can you fecking blame the board when you can lose for those team like Istanbul fecking "never hear name"? and because because you cannot have Sancho, so the ones like Bruno, Pogba, Harry Marguire, Rashford, Martial are all useless then?
As for the improvements, ffs, no system, no style of play, defensive is a joke, pedestrian and you said that we are more quick. Btw, we are football team, not marathon team.
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Oh common, every single person in this forum know the problem is the board, but for the losses (even wins) of those games, there is nothing you can blame on the board. How can you fecking blame the board when you can lose for those team like Istanbul fecking "never hear name"? and because because you cannot have Sancho, so the ones like Bruno, Pogba, Harry Marguire, Rashford, Martial are all useless then?
As for the improvements, ffs, no system, no style of play, defensive is a joke, pedestrian and you said that we are more quick. Btw, we are football team, not marathon team.
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not really a debate was asking if people are ole in and why ? is that ok with you ?
You still did not answer the question though. We all know these are not Sunday league players, that much is evident. Its well documented that they are very well capable of passing to each other. It could be coaching or not, but what you are suggesting they cannot pass few yards to each other, which is blatantly not true.
I wanted to post this last season but I was afraid that I'd be crucified, so thanks to this thread.
I personally think he'll end up being what we hoped van Gaal was gonna be. The man who freshen up the squad with talents and fills it with good atmosphere among players including the culture but not the one who will win big trohpies or take us 2-3 levels forward.
To be fair that's a good achievement. At least for me.
I personally think he'll end up being what we hoped van Gaal was gonna be. The man who freshen up the squad with talents and fills it with good atmosphere among players including the culture but not the one who will win big trohpies or take us 2-3 levels forward.
To be fair that's a good achievement. At least for me.
I don't know if Ole has told Pogba before but I can't imagine why a manager would be happy with how he holds on to the ball for too long every single game and not correct that
I dont know whether that's strong orr weak point of him. He's too nice and sometime I feel that win or lose is not matter with our players. They play because the club pay them. If the team win, "it's good", if the team loose, then "Ok, next match then".
Btw, can anyone tell me what glue that they are using for the coach's chairs at Old Trafford? since all our managers post SAF just stick on that chair no matter what happen on the pitch.
Sort of, it is diminishing rapidly though.
A couple of things he has to be given credit for are his big game record which is very good overall. Secondly, he has to be complemented for shifting the deadwood and the bad apples. He has outperformed all post-Fergie managers in regards to the latter, although LVG had a decent big game record also.
However, we have looked clueless in many games (last night no less). Some of the errors were so poor it was baffling. Bad organisation, whether you put that down to inadequate coaching or players being tactically unaware, I don't know.
If Everton win on Saturday, it'll be quite a tricky one for Ole to get out of.
A couple of things he has to be given credit for are his big game record which is very good overall. Secondly, he has to be complemented for shifting the deadwood and the bad apples. He has outperformed all post-Fergie managers in regards to the latter, although LVG had a decent big game record also.
However, we have looked clueless in many games (last night no less). Some of the errors were so poor it was baffling. Bad organisation, whether you put that down to inadequate coaching or players being tactically unaware, I don't know.
If Everton win on Saturday, it'll be quite a tricky one for Ole to get out of.
They left united. Everyone seems to find their mojo back. From smailing to lukaku. Top players joining united seems to be losing their mojoes.
Maybe... just maybe... it's us.
If you don’t want to see many threads on the main man of our club on a Manchester United forum, then why are you even here?
Next year in November - Ole got us from 15th last year to 10th this year - progress
Im with the Ole out bridgade - not with any maliciousness. He's a great guy and a club legend. However that doesnt guarantee results. You cannot deny he's been hamstrung by the board and with signings but maybe his lack of experience just adds to the fact that the club is walking all over him. Poch could be in on a season long deal with no money to spend except what he can generate through sales. I dont see us doing any worse with Poch and the ceiling seems to be so much higher. Sorry Ole - it times to walk into the sunset before it all goes seriously sour!
The reason we are easy to beat when teams sit back is because our final third moves are so predictable. I know what Rashford is going to do when he has the ball. I know he's either going to try a 1-2 with Martial or cut in and shoot. I know Greenwood is trying to cut in and shoot. I know Shaw is going to play low cross that wouldn't beat the first man and if he takes it high not many players are in the box anyways. I know Awb isn't going to have any end product. Pogba is just going to dance around the pitch unable to find that killer pass since everybody is back. Bruno I think is quite unpredictable at times but his moves never consistently come off
Next year in November - Ole got us from 15th last year to 10th this year - progress
When Jose’s “results” are put in black and white compared to Ole, it doesn’t look good for Ole at all.
The only thing he has left then is “the United way” and buying the right players, but it seems his defenders are now even starting to throw Maguire, AWB etc under the bus to defend Ole. So what then, does he have left which shows “improvement”?
I am not suggesting it. It is evidently true. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Our players have repeatedly, on a weekly basis, misplaced easy, short passes.
It’s not an argument because we willboth have seen it. It happened yesterday, it happened on Sunday and it’ll happen on Saturday
Every player in the team can stop and pass the ball. All you need to know where is my teammate and where is he moving. To know this, you have to train your movements, the movements of your teammates. You have to move as a team. So it's Oles job to train the movement.
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