If he starts doing that we will win the league.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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And by your logic Mourinho’s 2nd season was better than Fergie’s treble winning team. It goes both ways.
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, Liverpool are top of the league and haven't got out of second gear yet
I agree that Ole has done a good job in tightening the defence, and those resulsts are great. God point : )
But he have had to arrange the middfield in a defencive way to tighen the defence, and it have have hampered our offencive game.
The centerbacks are to slow, and if we had a world class center back paring (like Rio and Vidic was), our attacking play would become a lot better : )
Sorry, right winger is correct. I have uppdaited the post : )
I'm not sure it has. We've got the second highest goals per game in 2020, just slightly behind Manchester City.
Club | Games (All Comps) | Goals Scored | GSpG |
|---|---|---|---|
Manchester United | 41 | 86 | 2.1 |
Manchester City | 38 | 85 | 2.2 |
Tottenham | 37 | 65 | 1.8 |
Chelsea | 36 | 70 | 1.9 |
Arsenal | 37 | 59 | 1.6 |
Liverpool | 36 | 70 | 1.9 |
But lets say that the majority of these goals come from games we are more open and don't keep clean sheets. Below is the list of our clean sheets. Only 6 of them are tight results, i.e. 0-0 or 1-0. 12 of these fixtures have us scoring more goals than our current average i.e. 3 or more goals. In these 22 fixtures we've scored 57 goals. I wish I had stats for specific starting midfields but alas I do not. As it would be interesting to see our results when McFred starts together.
| A | Tranmere Rovers | 0:6 |
| H | Club Brugge KV | 5:0 |
| A | LASK | 0:5 |
| H | RB Leipzig | 5:0 |
| H | Norwich City | 4:0 |
| H | Watford FC | 3:0 |
| A | Derby County | 0:3 |
| H | Sheffield United | 3:0 |
| A | Brighton & Hove Albion | 0:3 |
| A | Aston Villa | 0:3 |
| A | Luton Town | 0:3 |
| A | Brighton & Hove Albion | 0:3 |
| A | Chelsea FC | 0:2 |
| H | Manchester City | 2:0 |
| A | Crystal Palace | 0:2 |
| A | Leicester City | 0:2 |
| H | Wolverhampton Wanderers | 1:0 |
| A | Manchester City | 0:1 |
| H | FC Copenhagen | 1:0 |
| A | Wolverhampton Wanderers | 0:0 |
| H | Wolverhampton Wanderers | 0:0 |
| H | Chelsea FC | 0:0 |
You're doing the lord's work
This is called Goal post moving, so the only way Ole can be successful is if he matching your standards of 'we arent far off city liverpool'
We know that, we finished 3rd based on your assumptions. If we finish close again or maybe 2nd then we have met what is expected. I expect us to be closer this season.
If some folk want the title and nothing else matters fair enough bit they are setting a bar way too high in my opinion at the moment
To the points brigade, who are attacking Ole because we finished 33 points off the top, I really hope you'd be backing him at the end of the season when the gap would quite definitely reduce. And I hope you won't be bringing arguments like, "Pool and City didn't get 95+ points" and other such BS to attack Ole them
In fairness, half of his first season, Mourinho was in charge, and from Ole took over, United were actually the third best team in the league. So what´s your point exactly?
Mata was arguable our best player the first games this season, so I don´t understand why it´s suddenly so obvious that he shouldn´t start any game. And we´ve played the diamond in one game this season - in which we were pretty much dominated for 60 minutes of it - while we took more points than any other team from end of January to the end last season playing 4-2-3-1 with Rashford and Greenwood on the wings. So to say that we don´t have players for 4231 is hardly "the fact". However, I do sympathise with the view that the diamond fits out midfielders better, although I´m not convinced this is the formation best suited to meet any challenge, e.g. in games where we control the position and the opponent pack their defence centrally. To play without any width could then become pretty ineffective.
I do agree though, that we have a squad good enough for challenging for titles - which I also said when so many on here were on the bridge of giving up the whole season because we didn´t sign Sancho.
It's actually amazing how points are twisted based on who the manager is.
Both sides of this points argument reek of bias.
Both extreme camps constantly shift the goalposts on certain subjects to suit their narratives.
Yeah, that's true.
I don't even see these camps as 'Ole in' or 'Ole out'.
The small minority that camp out with these extreme opinions are far more 'Ole can do no wrong' and 'Ole can do no right'. Both are so entrenched in their beliefs, that reasoned nuanced conversations, pointing out even his obvious flaws or qualities are impossible to have in a civilised manner.
They have already decided on Ole's position, so what happens on the pitch has 0 relevance.
I believe Ole might not be good enough to win us titles but he is also doing decent job, finishing 3rd and then winning 2/2 games in CL against tough opposition. We have to improve our league form though.
Yes, it is.
My view on it too. He's changed my opinions on him before, so he may well make me believe he can win the league but not right now.
Yeah, our form in 2020 is very good. Scored many goals, defensively good and also did well in the league. Shame somehow signing Bruno is used against Ole (not surprised though).
We have very good team, if can perform consistently then at least we should finish top 4 comfortably.
Our team is good and we finally have some really nice squad depth. Add to that Ole's improvements in a coaching and tactical sense and I fully fancy a comfortable top four finish. I would be happy with that outcome, and with a good summer window next year, I would expect more improvements and a title fight.
That's people for you. Little to do with football.
My personal slant is that he's more than earned his right to see out the tetchy bits. By the end of his tenure (whenever that may be), we'll almost certainly be in a far better position moving forward than at any point since Moyes turned up. When folks say we have the squad to challenge, that's mainly down to Solskjaer as far as I can see.
Aye, there's plenty of reasoned posters to converse with so the small minority can be ignored.
He'll certainly leave us in a far better place than the mess left behind by Jose. He's built a good solid squad with some very exciting youngsters and gotten rid of players that needed binning. He's also improved the likes of Rashford, Fred and McTominay while managing Greenwoods development in top notch fashion.
We should be consistent, right now that's our biggest issue.
Yeah we have to build on what we have achieved to mount title challenge, we should have been aggressive this window.
Yeah, attack with players Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Bruno is too much to handle for most of the league, first 3 are young and still improving.
He fecked up against Chelsea imo so hopefully today we bounce back from that. They were clearly there for the taking. We should be approaching this game with real confidence given our fantastic result midweek.
I think it was a difficult window for most clubs. We made some solid signings and signed some exciting young talents. I'm not too disappointed how the Sancho saga ended as I wasn't invested in it. For me, it was ludicrous money to pay for a player still with a-lot to prove. Add to that Greenwoods emergence and I don't think it was as massive a blow as was made out. We still improved our depth but not necessarily our starting eleven. Next summer would be the time to make some additions that will improve our starting eleven.
Man knows what good show is.
He knows what a great tv-show is and should be.
Changed your vote now then?
Lets get the win against Arsenal, then keep the momentum moving forward. Anything less than a win today will be a major disappointment.
Utter shite again after a good game. He needs to sort this out pronto if we are to do something of note this season. I worry we’ve been found out in the league but hopefully it’s just a bad 45 mins.
Our home form is deeply concerning. We've been awful in all of those games too. Our last six games:
Southampton D
West Ham D
Palace L
Spurs L
Chelsea D
Arsenal D?
Southampton D
West Ham D
Palace L
Spurs L
Chelsea D
Arsenal D?
That's bloody shocking if we don't get the win today.
Looking optimistic that now!
Fairly soon the Champions League results don't really matter when we can't win any games in the Prem.
Needs 3-4 more transfer windows to get the side to play with energy and focus on a consistent basis.
Really great post. Clearly took a lot of time to "research" and type out.
Well founded opinions. Glad that it finally received the Like it deserves today.
He is ultra defensive coach. Main and only gameplan is to sit back and wait for counters.
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