Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[90 + 5min]

I think it is too much time.

Not really sure I understand.

This is fair enough. Although i don't see why we should not challenge this year. Squad is good for it

We can challenge. It seems like everyone can challenge. But I'm not expecting because there are still some gap to first and most Liverpool and ManCity.

You can't be saying that around here.

I'm one of biggest defenders for Solskjaer in here. But I also know there is not limited time around. I think with 2-3 years behind him (after this year) and a pretty good squad we can be ready to make the challenge. One that I expect.

 

[Amir]

Because we have a game in hand on Chelsea and if that game is won, we're ahead of them by a point. While neither side saw it as a must-win, one team would have been more fine with the draw than the other. That side, in my view, was us.

But I can see the other side of it too. We haven't played Liverpool or City, while Arsenal have played both, and Chelsea have played Liverpool.

Essentially, it's probably best if we don't conduct major analyses after every game so early on in this, most unique of seasons.

If we were at a later stage of the season, the idea of getting a result against Chelsea that would keep us ahead of them (at least potentially) would have been fine. Five games into the season, it's just too early to be looking at that sort of thing. We were at home, and a home game we don't win is two points dropped.

Having said that, at this stage of the season it's hardly a terrible result. Both sides cancelled each other out, shit happens. Next.

 

[cptkeane1993]

Practically speaking, this thread is a bit of a waste of space and time. The Board has just come out and reiterated its backing for the manager and his long-term plans, again - the Board includes people like Sir Bobby Charlton and Sir Alex Ferguson. And it was unanimously agreed by the majority of fans, pundits and media alike that last season's results (despite the massive injury challenges) were positive and that we're on the right track of rebuilding as a process, i.e. sacking the manager was not a consideration at all.

There are folks who know patience and those who don't - we're all different and shaped by different circumstances. Given Ole's not going to be sacked anytime soon, I suspect the latter group might suffer and be miserable whilst the former can identify and enjoy the continued progress. That's just the way it's going to be.

I hope regardless of our opinions, we can all continue to support the club, and if we feel we cannot, then perhaps some of us should consider moving on. It's easy to support when winning and less easy when not in that winning cycle, so we have to do what is best for our mental health. As a reminder, the club has had two cycles of sustained winning - one under Sir Matt and one under Sir Alex - so nobody should feel we're entitled to keep winning. Especially in what is now the most competitive league in the world as agreed by everyone. The club should however continue to work towards the next successful cycle, and I believe that's what we're doing. And that's why it was Ole and not another big name manager because this was never going to be a short-term project.

 

[lysglimt]

I think it is very difficult to reson with an Ole in fan, they will always find a reason of shortcomings. Clubs like Munich, Real and Barcelona will never go in a period like ours, because they dont feck with mediocrity.

No clubs like Barca, Real and Munich will never go on a run like ours - because let's be honest here, they are without serious competition.

As for the rest of your post - it was stupidity from top to bottom

 

[MoskvaRed]

The league this year is in flux. Corona virus diminishes home advantage - although we lose the OT crowd, on balance this should help United as traditionally fans of lesser teams have regarded the visit of United as their cup final, even more so than Liverpool and definitely more than City.

Also, the two dominant sides of the last 3 seasons have issues: at City, the uncertainty surrounding the manager plus the loss of most of the old spine, and, at Liverpool, the loss of VVD plus the pressure of trying to retain a title for the first time in this era.

United should be looking to capitalise this season rather than hiding under this weird theory that you need 3 seasons before you can be expected to compete. If Ole is as good as his fans proclaim, then, barring horrendous injuries, he should be able to challenge this season with our current squad rather than the jam tomorrow diet we have been served since 2013.

 

[croadyman]

The league this year is in flux. Corona virus diminishes home advantage - although we lose the OT crowd, on balance this should help United as traditionally fans of lesser teams have regarded the visit of United as their cup final, even more so than Liverpool and definitely more than City.

Also, the two dominant sides of the last 3 seasons have issues: at City, the uncertainty surrounding the manager plus the loss of most of the old spine, and, at Liverpool, the loss of VVD plus the pressure of trying to retain a title for the first time in this era.

United should be looking to capitalise this season rather than hiding under this weird theory that you need 3 seasons before you can be expected to compete. If Ole is as good as his fans proclaim, then, barring horrendous injuries, he should be able to challenge this season with our current squad rather than the jam tomorrow diet we have been served since 2013.

Yeah Liverpool's & City's problems make it so frustrating that we aren't able to take more advantage of the situation and games like Saturday should be seen as an opportunity to do that.

 

[cptkeane1993]

United should be looking to capitalise this season rather than hiding under this weird theory that you need 3 seasons before you can be expected to compete.

Ole doesn't hide, the man's a winner. Is he going to try for the title - you bet he will. Is he going to come out publicly proclaim that? Of course not, why would he do that and put more pressure on the team and the club. The reality is that winning the league is not just turning up with a squad of very good players. You have to (A) have players who can perform consistently at the top level and (B) learn what it means to challenge.

Re (A): Are the likes of Rashford and Martial as good as the likes of Mane, Salah, KdB, Aguero? On their day perhaps but the latter are players in their peak years (27-31) and who have the maturity and know-how to perform consistently. With our lads, especially the young forwards, the biggest thing Ole is working with them is exactly this - getting that consistency, somewhat similar to the post-lockdown period. It's probably the reason why Cavani is in, to lend that experience. Fernandes is our only truly consistent high performer amongst the attackers but he can only carry the team so far.

Re (B): The know-how of challenging a title is not straightforward. Liverpool seriously challenged in 2018/19 for the first time under Klopp and ultimately failed to the more-experienced City side which knew title runs better. But they were better for it the following year and won it. The ability to grind out results - ugly or otherwise - under intense pressure is something that has to be experienced and learnt, and in our team, arguably other than De Gea and Matic no one has this experience and know-how, and that too a while ago (Matic when at Chelsea). I discount Cavani's experience because the French league is geared towards PSG winning it every year.) Ole, Carrick, Phelan will lend their experience too. The reality is that Manchester United last challenged for the title under Sir Alex in 2012/13, three managers (or three failed projects) ago.

Of course, we could get lucky like a Blackburn and Leicester and win it in our first title challenge in 8 years but the more realistic mark of progress would be to have a serious title challenge this season, whilst reducing the gap to Man City / Liverpool. That should be our aim this season.

This does not mean lower standards; rather this means recognising the reality that the process of becoming winners again is not a simple, straightforward one.
Don't forget, the might Pep Guardiola finished fourth in his first season with a squad of A and B team players that could both challenge for the top four.

 

[Untd55]

Not really. It tells that points are irrelevant if you compare them to other seasons. Of course more points is a result of more wins but points under a current season can be influenced by injuries, bad / good refeering, harder league and so on. So once again, comparing Solskjaer to Mourinho and van Gaal and whoever isn't a good thing. One year 70 points can be amazing, another year it is laughing stock. And if you didn't expect us beating Liverpool/ManCity but all other teams, then the team managed to do what you expected them. Right? Coming 3rd. What do you expect us to do this year?

You didn't answer my question or I don't understand. Does Barcelona depend on Messi? Does Juventus depend on Ronaldo? Does Liverpool depend on Salah/Mane? Does PSG depend on Neymar? Every team have a player or two they depend on. They are not whole team but they are big big contribution to their attack. You are right about not needing top players to produce good football. But neither of those teams will ever win the league unless they have some "big" impact player. Maybe Danny Ings could be one. When Leicester won league they had Vardy who shined like the brightest star.

Brighton played us when we pretty much came back from vacation without preseason. I wouldn't take that game as some standard. Not saying that they are bad. They are nice club and try to play nice football.

The key is being too reliant. The point I was making is that we are over-reliant on Fernandes. We don't have the quick play to break teams down, and just end up hoping that Fernandes turns out something great.

Barcelona has become over-reliant on Messi, and they are the worse for it. He is arguably the best player ever, so he was able to contribute sustain their level, but even his levels have dropped recently, particularly in actually doing anything off the ball. I think they are paying the price now for doing that; pretty much their game plan was pass to Messi, and now he has dropped off a bit, they are seeing deteriorating performances. Even with other good players in the team, they have still been overly reliant.

I wouldn't say Juventus are reliant on Ronaldo to that degree.

The thing that Brighton shows is that if you play the ball fast enough, even between average players, you can create chances a lot of chances. Of course, poor finishers has cost them a lot of points this season. We have the goalscorers but don't have the quick play; we are too slow at passing the ball around whenever a team doesn't allow space behind. A team of average players can still create a lot of chances, even without a top-class player.

In the end, we should create more outside of Fernandes than we are in these games and that is where we need to improve. Team play is where Solskjaer needs to improve to turn over these smaller teams, otherwise it turns into a stop Fernandes and stop United kind of thing.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

It's a challenging season as you can see by Chelsea and arsenal having less PTS per game than us and city very marginally more. If you try base opinions off results with no context then it could be a very funny season

Ole still has some selection and tactical stuff to sort out , really it is about how to get pogba and telles into this team so we carry enough threat without our defence getting shredded every week. Hopefully he can solve this quickly.

 

[Mainoldo]

It's a challenging season as you can see by Chelsea and arsenal having less PTS per game than us and city very marginally more. If you try base opinions off results with no context then it could be a very funny season

Ole still has some selection and tactical stuff to sort out , really it is about how to get pogba and telles into this team so we carry enough threat without our defence getting shredded every week. Hopefully he can solve this quickly.

Lampard - Substitute teacher
Arteta - jury is out. (Plays more LVG football than Pep football)
Pep - the cycle is over.

I don’t think anything is surprising at all about this season.

 

[hobbers]

The most frustrating thing about this season is probably going to be that if we had properly strengthened and/or hired a better manager we could have genuinely been title contenders, because this is clearly going to be quite a different season from the previous few where City or Pool have just run away with it by February.

 

[Giggsyking]

No clubs like Barca, Real and Munich will never go on a run like ours - because let's be honest here, they are without serious competition.

As for the rest of your post - it was stupidity from top to bottom

Typical of you, nothing more to add than insulting and stupid comments.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Lampard - Substitute teacher
Arteta - jury is out. (Plays more LVG football than Pep football)
Pep - the cycle is over.

I don’t think anything is surprising at all about this season.

Bit harsh on LVG given his influence on Pep. LVG at United isn't how LVG played football for his career prior - it should serve as a warning to Arteta that recruitment is so key for the offensive players in their tactics given on paper what LVG was trying to do at United was high level what Pep did at City. There are obviously nuances to their ideas and tactics but they come from the same school of thought and broadly speaking setup teams to play in a similar way.

 

[passing-wind]

The most frustrating thing about this season is probably going to be that if we had properly strengthened and/or hired a better manager we could have genuinely been title contenders, because this is clearly going to be quite a different season from the previous few where City or Pool have just run away with it by February.

Facts

 

[Foxbatt]

This thread will be here next season too. Pep will leave City, Poch takes over and we will be still struggling to get into the CL spots and Woodward would have messed up another transfer window and all will be saying give Ole more time. James will still be on the left wing occasionally and running very fast without the ball. Ranchero screaming Jaaaaames on the match day thread.
Jim Beglin saying Mata is the one who is going to create something.
Jones still injured. Rashford has his OBE.

 

[croadyman]

The key is being too reliant. The point I was making is that we are over-reliant on Fernandes. We don't have the quick play to break teams down, and just end up hoping that Fernandes turns out something great.

Barcelona has become over-reliant on Messi, and they are the worse for it. He is arguably the best player ever, so he was able to contribute sustain their level, but even his levels have dropped recently, particularly in actually doing anything off the ball. I think they are paying the price now for doing that; pretty much their game plan was pass to Messi, and now he has dropped off a bit, they are seeing deteriorating performances. Even with other good players in the team, they have still been overly reliant.

I wouldn't say Juventus are reliant on Ronaldo to that degree.

The thing that Brighton shows is that if you play the ball fast enough, even between average players, you can create chances a lot of chances. Of course, poor finishers has cost them a lot of points this season. We have the goalscorers but don't have the quick play; we are too slow at passing the ball around whenever a team doesn't allow space behind. A team of average players can still create a lot of chances, even without a top-class player.

In the end, we should create more outside of Fernandes than we are in these games and that is where we need to improve. Team play is where Solskjaer needs to improve to turn over these smaller teams, otherwise it turns into a stop Fernandes and stop United kind of thing.

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[croadyman]

The most frustrating thing about this season is probably going to be that if we had properly strengthened and/or hired a better manager we could have genuinely been title contenders, because this is clearly going to be quite a different season from the previous few where City or Pool have just run away with it by February.

Yeah very frustrating indeed and definitely feels like a real missed opportunity due to our pretty average transfer window

 

[criticalanalysis]

Ole doesn't hide, the man's a winner. Is he going to try for the title - you bet he will. Is he going to come out publicly proclaim that? Of course not, why would he do that and put more pressure on the team and the club. The reality is that winning the league is not just turning up with a squad of very good players. You have to (A) have players who can perform consistently at the top level and (B) learn what it means to challenge.

Re (A): Are the likes of Rashford and Martial as good as the likes of Mane, Salah, KdB, Aguero? On their day perhaps but the latter are players in their peak years (27-31) and who have the maturity and know-how to perform consistently. With our lads, especially the young forwards, the biggest thing Ole is working with them is exactly this - getting that consistency, somewhat similar to the post-lockdown period. It's probably the reason why Cavani is in, to lend that experience. Fernandes is our only truly consistent high performer amongst the attackers but he can only carry the team so far.

Re (B): The know-how of challenging a title is not straightforward. Liverpool seriously challenged in 2018/19 for the first time under Klopp and ultimately failed to the more-experienced City side which knew title runs better. But they were better for it the following year and won it. The ability to grind out results - ugly or otherwise - under intense pressure is something that has to be experienced and learnt, and in our team, arguably other than De Gea and Matic no one has this experience and know-how, and that too a while ago (Matic when at Chelsea). I discount Cavani's experience because the French league is geared towards PSG winning it every year.) Ole, Carrick, Phelan will lend their experience too. The reality is that Manchester United last challenged for the title under Sir Alex in 2012/13, three managers (or three failed projects) ago.

Of course, we could get lucky like a Blackburn and Leicester and win it in our first title challenge in 8 years but the more realistic mark of progress would be to have a serious title challenge this season, whilst reducing the gap to Man City / Liverpool. That should be our aim this season.

This does not mean lower standards; rather this means recognising the reality that the process of becoming winners again is not a simple, straightforward one.
Don't forget, the might Pep Guardiola finished fourth in his first season with a squad of A and B team players that could both challenge for the top four.

This is all very true until you realise Ole and the coaches have a massive say in whether our players perform. Through unlucky circumstances, lack of squad depth etc, call it whatever you want it, we really haven't seen any kind of tactical consistency to suggest we're going building progressively upwards and onwards.

To be fair, I don't think 90% of us fans expect an actual down the wire title challenge. We just want to see solid progress. Getting 3rd place with 66 points is definitely not. It's a mere side step to yes an inargubly, a clusterf*ck of a season but one that every other team faced. A side step is essentially a backwards step imo because it's one year of transition wasted.

No one is realistically aruging against the spirit, the mentality, the effort, the ethnos and standard of players etc that has been brought by Ole. It's the on the field performances when we don't have our first 11 or even when we do playing against low block teams or any half decently coached side (see Burnley, Southampton, Brighton, Crystal Palace etc). Anything more than 10-15 points away from 1st should be a sackable offence unless we are playing dominating football whilst winning a few cups.

 

[sammsky1]

Not ventured into here for a while but wow some of you are getting tetchy. Capitals and bold blocked text ffs that used to get you warned

Just pre-agree what he needs to do result wise to keep his job and wait til he does or doesn't do it. It's the only way his backers will concede a point and it's the only way his detractors can be kept happy. If his backers aren't willing to do that you really don't have a leg to stand on when people complain.

We know missing out on top 4 will get him sacked and being a good bit off top 4 by Christmas. I'd say where we are now if he doesn't get 6pts in the next 5 games he'll be gone.

Many of us have already done this several times: top four. Within 10-12 points Of league winners or 75 + points. Get into a final. Have established a reliable method to beat low block park bus teams.

but OleOUTers wont commit. just vague pretentious stuff like patterns of play, fast press, high line, blah blah blah. I have no idea what their trigger point for dismissal should be.

 

[MoskvaRed]

Ole doesn't hide, the man's a winner. Is he going to try for the title - you bet he will. Is he going to come out publicly proclaim that? Of course not, why would he do that and put more pressure on the team and the club. The reality is that winning the league is not just turning up with a squad of very good players. You have to (A) have players who can perform consistently at the top level and (B) learn what it means to challenge.

Re (A): Are the likes of Rashford and Martial as good as the likes of Mane, Salah, KdB, Aguero? On their day perhaps but the latter are players in their peak years (27-31) and who have the maturity and know-how to perform consistently. With our lads, especially the young forwards, the biggest thing Ole is working with them is exactly this - getting that consistency, somewhat similar to the post-lockdown period. It's probably the reason why Cavani is in, to lend that experience. Fernandes is our only truly consistent high performer amongst the attackers but he can only carry the team so far.

Re (B): The know-how of challenging a title is not straightforward. Liverpool seriously challenged in 2018/19 for the first time under Klopp and ultimately failed to the more-experienced City side which knew title runs better. But they were better for it the following year and won it. The ability to grind out results - ugly or otherwise - under intense pressure is something that has to be experienced and learnt, and in our team, arguably other than De Gea and Matic no one has this experience and know-how, and that too a while ago (Matic when at Chelsea). I discount Cavani's experience because the French league is geared towards PSG winning it every year.) Ole, Carrick, Phelan will lend their experience too. The reality is that Manchester United last challenged for the title under Sir Alex in 2012/13, three managers (or three failed projects) ago.

Of course, we could get lucky like a Blackburn and Leicester and win it in our first title challenge in 8 years but the more realistic mark of progress would be to have a serious title challenge this season, whilst reducing the gap to Man City / Liverpool. That should be our aim this season.

This does not mean lower standards; rather this means recognising the reality that the process of becoming winners again is not a simple, straightforward one.
Don't forget, the might Pep Guardiola finished fourth in his first season with a squad of A and B team players that could both challenge for the top four.

I would be more than happy with a title challenge. My post was more aimed at the views of some on here (although not Ole - I have no idea what he thinks) that top 4/finish within 10-15 points of the leaders is the only target. Given this season is unlikely to see a team accumulating a vast points total as in the previous three seasons, there is no reason why we can’t be in the mix, even if we do fall short for some of the reasons you mention.

 

[Mainoldo]

Practically speaking, this thread is a bit of a waste of space and time. The Board has just come out and reiterated its backing for the manager and his long-term plans, again - the Board includes people like Sir Bobby Charlton and Sir Alex Ferguson. And it was unanimously agreed by the majority of fans, pundits and media alike that last season's results (despite the massive injury challenges) were positive and that we're on the right track of rebuilding as a process, i.e. sacking the manager was not a consideration at all.

There are folks who know patience and those who don't - we're all different and shaped by different circumstances. Given Ole's not going to be sacked anytime soon, I suspect the latter group might suffer and be miserable whilst the former can identify and enjoy the continued progress. That's just the way it's going to be.

I hope regardless of our opinions, we can all continue to support the club, and if we feel we cannot, then perhaps some of us should consider moving on. It's easy to support when winning and less easy when not in that winning cycle, so we have to do what is best for our mental health. As a reminder, the club has had two cycles of sustained winning - one under Sir Matt and one under Sir Alex - so nobody should feel we're entitled to keep winning. Especially in what is now the most competitive league in the world as agreed by everyone. The club should however continue to work towards the next successful cycle, and I believe that's what we're doing. And that's why it was Ole and not another big name manager because this was never going to be a short-term project.

How old are you?

 

[Smores]

Many of us have already done this several times: top four. Within 10-12 points Of league winners or 75 + points. Get into a final. Have established a reliable method to beat low block park bus teams.

but OleOUTers wont commit. just vague pretentious stuff like patterns of play, fast press, high line, blah blah blah. I have no idea what their trigger point for dismissal should be.

That's not true, those who were Ole out including myself changed our minds when he achieved a slightly lesser criteria last season. If he achieves people will be fair.

The issue is that target is too long term so people have to use results and elements of our play to project how our season could turn out. That's obviously incredibly difficult and unreliable and why I'm in the 'needs to do better' rather than sack him camp.

That said they'll come a point where we have enough games to judge as our current form is untenable. 1.4 points per game we're on, if it's anywhere close to that at 15 games then he'll have to go.

 

[sugar_kane]

Has reached the same amount of wins as LVG with 5 games to spare, with his team scoring 28 more goals in the process.

I only raise this because a lot on here like to shoot Ole down for his lack of experience/silverware, it doesn't really count for anything tbh. I'd also argue he's achieved that in a much tougher environment than when LVG was managing us - one full season of which was when Leicester won the league and all the top teams were shite.

(also the cult of LVG and his own complete lack of acknowledgement of his own shortcomings and terrible football when our manager really pisses me off)

 

[Mainoldo]

Has reached the same amount of wins as LVG with 5 games to spare, with his team scoring 28 more goals in the process.

I only raise this because a lot on here like to shoot Ole down for his lack of experience/silverware, it doesn't really count for anything tbh. I'd also argue he's achieved that in a much tougher environment than when LVG was managing us - one full season of which was when Leicester won the league and all the top teams were shite.

(also the cult of LVG and his own complete lack of acknowledgement of his own shortcomings and terrible football when our manager really pisses me off)

I think it takes a bigger man to realise they have/was/is both are crap. Regardless of conditions, mitigating circumstances etc. I mean LVG fanatics whoever they are, Come out come out,Didn’t know they existed could point out his lack of squad depth and unfortunate injury records. But nobody does. Tyler Blackett played CB

 

[wolvored]

I think we have the squad to challenge for the top if coached and managed correctly. We have 4 strikers, 3 similar and the other for a different style of attack. We have 3 am who should be able to rotate. We have 3 DM who should also be able to rotate. We have defenders galore for all positions and 3 good goalies. We have a plethora of young talent to rely on as well. If you can't get a tune out of the talent we have, should you really be the Utd manager?

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

I want to see this thread if we win or lose to Leipzig or more specifically Nagelsmann

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Challenging for the league really shouldn't be out of the question. Let's not forget how people always mention we would have been 1st if the league started post Bruno or something like that

That aside. Our front three of Rashford Martial and Greenwood were one of the most dangerous in Europe. They are all young and should be looking to perform even better rather than regress or remain stagnant and if Cavani be at least a solid rotational striker then we should have no problem there. Our midfield is arguably the best in the league and with the addition of VDB we have solid depth there. Our defense was third best in the league and we added Telles and got highly rated Tuanzebe and Henderson back.

I think this team has the quality to challenge and the only thing in the way is our inconsistency

 

[Robbie Boy]

I want to see this thread if we win or lose to Leipzig or more specifically Nagelsmann

Either way - this and the Nagelsmann - thread will be absolute comedy gold with meltdowns everywhere to be seen.

 

[Lee565]

How long are we going to persist with a one dimensional coach that relies almost entirely on the opposition allowing him space in match to play counter attacking football.

I would even argue his rebuilding has been very suspect and I see it as no better than the rebuild mourinho tried at the club.

 

[crossy1686]

How long are we going to persist with a one dimensional coach that relies almost entirely on the opposition allowing him space in match to play possession based football.

I would even argue his rebuilding has been very suspect and I see it as no better than the rebuild mourinho tried at the club.

Stop talking about Pep in that way, he's a footballing god.

 

[sammsky1]

How old are you?

what's wrong in what he wrote?

 

[sammsky1]

That's not true, those who were Ole out including myself changed our minds when he achieved a slightly lesser criteria last season. If he achieves people will be fair.
The issue is that target is too long term so people have to use results and elements of our play to project how our season could turn out. That's obviously incredibly difficult and unreliable and why I'm in the 'needs to do better' rather than sack him camp.
That said they'll come a point where we have enough games to judge as our current form is untenable. 1.4 points per game we're on, if it's anywhere close to that at 15 games then he'll have to go.

Then this is an issue for OleOUTers and no-one else. Are you saying the club change its management approach to knee jerk decision making just to satisfy a small minority of its fan base?

It started with the 'Ole's real test', but when that became a complete meme, its now moved onto something equally idiotic. OleOUTers keep creating strange metrics followed up with their own narcissistic certainty that 'he will have to go', when the truth is nothing of the sort.

Decisions like retaining or sacking a manager should always be taken using a large set of data and long period of time. They should also consider the long term of the club.

 

[Mainoldo]

what's wrong in what he wrote?

I just don’t like people preaching about how to support the club and not going through the dark ages when there 37 years old and can’t even remember Ryan Giggs’s debut but want us to believe they know about hardship supporting United.

 

[Foxbatt]

Look at teams like leeds united where no one knows the name of any of the players before the start of the season. Yet the way they play. When was the last time we saw Pogba sprinting forward to get into the box? Or Fred or Matic or Scott doing it?
Ole needs to be more flexible. He needs to go two up instead of always playing with two wide wingers.
This team man for man is good enough to challenge Liverpool if we have a top class coach.

 

[Bobcat]

This is such a weird take.

Edit: I was going to just keep this short but feck it.

This entire post is such a weird take.

"I think it is very difficult to reson with an Ole in fan, they will always find a reason of shortcomings"

Few things genuinely get me as riled up as when someone genuinely says that explaining something is somehow wrong. That nothing matters and we should just be winning regardless. Ok. But how? Bring something new to the table besides "Get Poch". Let me throw a wrench in your fandom: Tottenham is down at 1.2ppg without one single player. That's 45points on the season without their singular most important player in the squad.

Explaining why something is not an excuse. Just get the f*** out of here with that "hard man" bullshit.

No one is finding excuses for Ole here. At least I'm not. A few of us here tend to not forget that there's players on the pitch that play the actual game that are by some miracle always excused when it comes to discussing the one person that can actually be fired in the middle of a season.

Bayern operates in a different climate than the EPL clubs. It's not about the quality, they have the massive fortune of being in a position to always buy the biggest talents in their own league.
Real Madrid just had a decade of Christiano Ronaldo
Barcelona had OVER a decade of Lionel Messi. They are currently falling apart.

If you are genuinely comparing the players of peak Barcelona and Real Madrid to the editions of Manchester United since SAF, then I don't know what reality you live in. If you're also going to tell me that this squad "should be winning the Champions League with a better manager" then I also don't know what to tell you.

EVERY SINGLE TEAM THAT ENDED THE SEASON WHEN WE DID ARE ALSO OFF TO A ROCKEY START IN THE LEAGUE, MATCH FITNESS TAKES TIME TO BUILD UP. IT IS NOT A COINSIDENCE. WE ALSO TOOK THE GAME TO A PSG TEAM WITH SOME OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD AND WON DESERVEDLY YOU ABSOLUTE ONION. THE FACT THAT WE HAVE FANS THAT IMPLODE OVER A 0-0 RESULT AGAINST CHELSEA WHO JUST BOUGHT PLAYERS FOR ALL THE MONEY IN FOOTBALL MAKES ME LOSE MY ABSOLUTE MIND.

You know, I would have LIKED a better result. But for all you, or I, or anyone knows, playing Pogba or DVB or anyone else might have meant that we win the game. Or we lose the game. All we know is that we can closer to winning the game than we did a draw. Rashford lobs that ball instead of shooting we're in the lead. We got some luck with Harry Maguire being a buffoon.

"we still play like a mid table team (defensive against very good teams and clueless against mid table teams)"

The fact that you manage to say this, after beating both Chelsea and Manchester City home and away in a single season for the first time in club history. after just setting a new club record in consecutive away wins, and recruiting young talent en masse... Like.. my guy. You're not doing anything but whine.

Tell me. What do you want? What exactly is it that you want right now?

What is wrong with the PSG match?
What is wrong with the Newcastle result?
What is wrong with a 0-0 home draw v Chelsea? Do you recall the beating we took against Tottenham when we played the team you probably would have preferred to play? Can you imagine why we didn't?

We've just entered the hardest month of football this season. We got Leipzig and Arsenal this week. PSG and Chelsea the past week. This is such a perfect time to create some negative noise around the team. Just absolutely massively well done.

The fact that this thread is flaring up like a bad rash after 1 win and 1 draw out of those 2 first games make me wonder how spoiled and entitled you can possibly be? No one is accepting mediocrity here. We accepted third last season because it was a good result, what, do you think this squad could have taken it to Liverpool and City with another manage in charge while playing half the season with Andreas Pereira and Jesse Lingard as quad staples?

You're literally complaining about the end result when we are 10% of the way there.

If my kid started complaining about the road being long this soon I'd leave him on the roadside of the Autobahn and pick him up when I return tan and relaxed from Croatia 3 weeks later. Just like I want to do with this thread and your inevitable reply of "ExuSESSssSs"

Tom Cato bringing the heat on some poor soul.

Thanks for making my train ride more enjoyable

 

[wolvored]

Then this is an issue for OleOUTers and no-one else. Are you saying the club change its management approach to knee jerk decision making just to satisfy a small minority of its fan base?

It started with the 'Ole's real test', but when that became a complete meme, its now moved onto something equally idiotic. OleOUTers keep creating strange metrics followed up with their own narcissistic certainty that 'he will have to go', when the truth is nothing of the sort.

Decisions like retaining or sacking a manager should always be taken using a large set of data and long period of time. They should also consider the long term of the club.

How do you know ole out is a small minority?

 

[Smores]

Then this is an issue for OleOUTers and no-one else. Are you saying the club change its management approach to knee jerk decision making just to satisfy a small minority of its fan base?

It started with the 'Ole's real test', but when that became a complete meme, its now moved onto something equally idiotic. OleOUTers keep creating strange metrics followed up with their own narcissistic certainty that 'he will have to go', when the truth is nothing of the sort.

Decisions like retaining or sacking a manager should always be taken using a large set of data and long period of time. They should also consider the long term of the club.

I get why you don't want to lay out any ongoing criteria for the management as you'd actually have to concede on points rather than wumming if the worst happened.

I can imagine us losing the next 5 games and you'd still be in here claiming it's too soon to judge

 

[TheRedDevil2019]

How do you know ole out is a small minority?

The match go'ers are firmly Ole In...

 

[romufc]

The match go'ers are firmly Ole In...

And the youtube fan channels are Ole out. I wonder why.

 

[wolvored]

The match go'ers are firmly Ole In...

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