How can you be satisfied with how things are going? There is nothing about us, no identity.
That performance was dreadful.
Lacking belief, purpose, power, confidence.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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How can you be satisfied with how things are going? There is nothing about us, no identity.
That performance was dreadful.
Lacking belief, purpose, power, confidence.
All I want for Christmas is a manager who banishes James from the squad (let alone starts him in big (or any) games), who rewards stellar performances (Tuanzebe), who wants to include a player as talented as VDB over mediocre ones (Pogba in a United tee, McT), who wants his team to play expansive and not chicken-Mourinho football, who uses his squad and doesn't run players into the ground, who doesn't friggin smile at the end of a cowardly 0-0 at home against the most vulnerable Chelsea team in memory.
Oh, and here's Ole's record against the big teams (one of his supposed strengths) after the restart:
United 0-0 Chelsea
PSG 1-2 United
United 1-6 Spurs
United 1-2 Sevilla (Europa)
Leicester 0 United 2 (if you want to consider Leicester a big game)
United 1-3 Chelsea (FA Cup)
Spurs 1-1 United.
That's two wins and a 8-13 aggregate.
Put this nepotism to an end. I'll take Bielsa's football and not winning the title rather than this sh*t and not winning the title.
Oh, and here's Ole's record against the big teams (one of his supposed strengths) after the restart:
United 0-0 Chelsea
PSG 1-2 United
United 1-6 Spurs
United 1-2 Sevilla (Europa)
Leicester 0 United 2 (if you want to consider Leicester a big game)
United 1-3 Chelsea (FA Cup)
Spurs 1-1 United.
That's two wins and a 8-13 aggregate.
Put this nepotism to an end. I'll take Bielsa's football and not winning the title rather than this sh*t and not winning the title.
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With no fans in the stadium the home advantage is not really there, the only club not noticing it would be City, since they have about same amount of fans now as there was before Covid
Also
1. A draw vs Chelsea is not a bad result. Its not good either, and it was a shite game, but sharpening your knives after that just shows you have an agenda
2. We had an incredibly tough fixture list at the start of the PL this year. After 7 games we would already have played Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton.
3. Talking about league position after 5 games is daft. We are 15th yes, but we are also 1 win away from top 4 with a game in hand to most of those sides
Its good that he's trusting the players more and has recognised that they all work for different occasions rather than them being shit which seemed like his thinking last season. I think the players we have can allow a manager to be very flexible with his tactics so it is now less about picking your best 11 and more about picking the right 11. He got it wrong yesterday
Starting James over Greenwood against Chelsea at home should be a sackable offense in itself. And why wait till the 80th minute to bring on Greenwood.
We didn't have to go gung-ho, but a balance can be met. Ole was so scared to lose that he forgot it was there to win.
We didn't have to go gung-ho, but a balance can be met. Ole was so scared to lose that he forgot it was there to win.
My brain suppressed that part, thanks for reminding me.
Based on last season its clear that Greenwood is above James in the pecking order. Hes been injured though and/or there have been loads of reports of misconduct, maybe its both even.
This may sound far fetched, but i think James struggles with the pressure and/or a complete lack of confidence and might look much better in training than he does in the matches. When he first got here he started really brightly and everyone though we had unearthed a hidden gem then it went downhill as the season progressed
James is not the most talented footballer, but hes got loads of pace and a very decent pass on him. The problem with him, which is why i think its a mental issue, is that he constantly makes the worst possible decision at every turn. There was at least 3 times yesterday where he had the ball with loads of space and the Chelsea defense backing and he runs straight into two defenders and gets tackled
Good decision making is a massively important trait to have in any footballer who wants to play for us. James will soon turn 23 and it's not like he is straight out of the academy. The guy has regressed and it might be the pressure but if he cannot deal with it then he needs to go.
I cannot believe we refused to accept Leeds' offer which basically helped us recoup our spend on him. Would have benefitted us and the player too if he is too brittle to play for a big side.
Think this summer was to early to pull the trigger on him. If he continues as poorly this season as last, then he should be sold, but if he can get his head straightened and play with more composure he will be a useful squad player if nothing else
Back to earth with a bump. Easy decision for me....Is he the best manager available, the answers no imo. Team selection was rubbish yesterday, jose Esq.
Iv been Ole in for most of his tenure, but the big wins here and there papering over his defficiencys is starting to be a theme that will leave us where we are for ages....Fighting for fourth, having a big result now and again and playing boring football most of the time.
Iv been Ole in for most of his tenure, but the big wins here and there papering over his defficiencys is starting to be a theme that will leave us where we are for ages....Fighting for fourth, having a big result now and again and playing boring football most of the time.
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End of season yes.
I haven’t seen enough long term qualities for him to Remain as United manager long term. I believe he is tactically inept.
I haven’t seen enough long term qualities for him to Remain as United manager long term. I believe he is tactically inept.
He has improved. We counter attack much better now. When we face a low block we have more players that can open the defence now, that is due to some of the players he bought or promoted.
The question is whether he and his style will ever be able to get us to top. That is the only question that matters.
Obvs troll is obvs.
No one can be seriously being this emotional and excited?
where’s the so called emotion ? I like Ole, would love us to win a title under him but because I said it’s been a poor start to the season I’m emotional ?
You’re not on football Twitter anymore kid
I don't have to justify anything. First of all, it is not shit. Far from it. If we win our game in hand we are 3 points from top. Today, it was a nervous game from both sides where the most important thing was not to lose. Today, we didn't gave Chelsea anything. A team that is full of internationals. We were not playing some League One side. The truth is actually they didn't want anything playing with 5 defenders and 2 defensive midfielders. It is not easy to break that and still we got chances and with little luck, we would be talking about next game and this thread wouldn't have 10 extra pages. Did Solskjaer make some misstakes? Sure. Looking after game and when you analyse we can see where we could have done better. But, there must be a balance in criticism. People love to hate James. And he isn't world beater and gave very little going forward. But does anyone actually see that we became more open on left side when he went out? That Chelsea started attacking from that area? I don't think so because it is always easier to hate and to accuse someone when things don't go our way.
Football is not a sport where we have absolute monopoly on winning. People are obsessed on calling us this and that, without maybe recognize that there are other teams in league. There are other great players. You got to give credit to them without making us bad. In our era we were dominant but we are lucky to be that. I don't know if you remember people going crazy when we started playing youngsters and selling our "best" players. I know I did have some issue about that. I also know I was young then and didn't know everything. I know I didn't have patience and saw world black or white. It either was great or disaster depending on results. The more years went the more I learned about how world actualy works.
About approach. Last year, Norwich, had approach that was screaming "we are not afraid of Premier League" and played nice, attacking game. They are now in Championship. Apporach you are talking about can't be naive.
Arguable the most boring game since that loss at Norwich under LVG but your a tiny like it was some masteclass against Frank Lampard. Thank god it was Lampard he’s the only man that makes Ole’s job look good. I hope when they finally do get rid of Lamps. Ole is available and they go for him.
About 2 minutes ago I called someone post a disaster post........this has took it.
United men were laughing klopp for years......has no relevance to anything.
Poch ain't at united and allergi be surprised if Chelsea went for him too after the big outlay, but you seem to know.
SAF himself said he was worried when Klopp took over Liverpool, most of us knew he was gonna win them because hes shown his pedigree at BVB. Its the same with Pep at City, most oppo fans want Ole to stay because they know hes not a threat.
We laughed at Klopp after his first couple of seasons and we laughed at Pep after his first season. Rival fan opinions mean nothing.
I've been Ole out for near a year now and so far I've had no reason to change my decision.
But I don't blame him for the Chelsea game yesterday. Before the win against PSG, I reckon a majority of fans would have snapped your hands off for a draw after how we've started.
A draw wasn't a bad result yesterday, but I was disappointed with the team selection. I'd have rather gone with the same as we did against PSG, but worst case, any formation that doesn't include James.
Also the criticism of not playing VdB is a tough one.
When he's come on, he's looked really good, but both Fred and McTominay had great games yesterday.
As much as I am Ole out, I'd love for him to convince my different as I am sick of switching managers as we have no real plan from manager to manager and we're just back to the beginning.
My frustration isn't with a draw yesterday, it's the first 3 performances of the season, but looking at the league, we're not the only ones
But I don't blame him for the Chelsea game yesterday. Before the win against PSG, I reckon a majority of fans would have snapped your hands off for a draw after how we've started.
A draw wasn't a bad result yesterday, but I was disappointed with the team selection. I'd have rather gone with the same as we did against PSG, but worst case, any formation that doesn't include James.
Also the criticism of not playing VdB is a tough one.
When he's come on, he's looked really good, but both Fred and McTominay had great games yesterday.
As much as I am Ole out, I'd love for him to convince my different as I am sick of switching managers as we have no real plan from manager to manager and we're just back to the beginning.
My frustration isn't with a draw yesterday, it's the first 3 performances of the season, but looking at the league, we're not the only ones
Good post, feel similar with a lot of it. I think it’s like dating a member of the opposite sex where deep down you know you’re never gonna marry them and have kids but they’ve not been that bad during the relationship. The problem is the longer you stick at the relationship that you know full well is going nowhere, the longer you’re kept away from something that will work for you.
It’s been mentioned a few times but the clue is with opposition supporters. If they are all happy for Ole to remain in charge you know something isn’t quite right. Under Fergie every single opposition fan could not wait for him to retire, now they celebrate our inconsequential temporary victories because they know it keeps Ole around and long term we achieve nothing.
And this spreads through the squad too. You look at players like Maguire, Fred, McTominay, Shaw and whilst I can’t fault their efforts and know they have done well for us on occasion, these players will never ever ever lead a team to league titles and European Cups and the only way they would is under a truly exceptional coach which again Ole Gunnar Solskjaer will never be.
I think a lot of our fanbase cannot seem to grasp this and that’s why there will always be so much division.
People are narrow minded and self-obsessed. I've tried to argue that a game of football is played by two teams and in general, one can only play as much as the other allows them. Same with the league overall. There are 20 clubs with ambitions, different approaches and a mix of luck and misfortune.
With us, it's also a bit of wanting to fail so people can be proven right. Calling for Pogba to start while only a few weeks back asking for him to be benched, is just one simple example.
I'm just glad there are still some reasonable people around here to make it worth the time to read and not get completely lost in the mindless, overly dramatic stupidity.
Since when do we care what opposition fans think about our manager? Everyone gave Klopp shit until he won something.
I don’t know why people listen to people who casually watch our team once a month as if their opinion holds any weight.
When SAF retired oppo fans were celebrating because they knew we wouldn't be a threat anymore and they were right. Nearly been a decade without a title challenge.
That is a personal thing. There are people saying Vinent van Gogh is just a simple painter, while other appriciate his paintings and would give lots of money for them. There are people loving Tesla while other think it is just a stupid car and nowhere BMW or Fiat. What you think is boring is what someone can see as a strategic game that is fascinating. It is all about how you as a person look at things.
I don't mind criticism and nobody is without it. But what I do mind is this spectra of black and white. There is lot of colours in between. I know I have sometimes backed Solskjaer little to much in some discussions but that is just a reaction on this antiSolskjaer agenda that is driven by people who think that the world is simple.
That said, there are lot of posters in here that are very good, in both camps of this Solskjaer thread.
Still to this day, I blame Moyes for that transition. I've seen many bosses do this as well, get a new tean and fire a member of the team in the belief that it somehow cements their position. Yet to see any plus factors to this method of power move.
Of course any manager who beats PSG away is tactically inept
It's not hard to set your team up to counter against a shite PSG side when you have quality players like Bruno, Rashford and Pogba on the pitch. There's little tactics involved in that when you're the underdog. Will you be clamouring to say the same thing if PSG rock up to OT in a months time with a full squad and tear us a new one?
Jesus.. Why did I log on here today... I never learn.. Enjoy your Sunday!
Agreed
For the record - if we win away at Burnley, which is more than likely - we will be:
3 points behind Liverpool, ahead of Chelsea, worst case scenario 1 point behind City, 2 points behind Arsenal and 1 point behind Tottenham (if they all win their game in hand)
I think we can all agree that the season isn't quite over yet....
There's a difference between being 15th early on in the season with 7 points and playing well and being unlucky. But we have been absolutely awful and toothless this season in the league besides 15 minutes against Newcastle. Our home form is deeply concerning. We've been dominated by weaker opposition, we've made creaky defences look solid, our attack looks sterile and the only thing people have is PSG away to cling on to.
Honestly, a literally anyone could have said to defend with a back 3 and hit them on a counter. Most people on the caf were churning out the same system days before kick off for fecksake.
Ole deserves a wealth of praise for PSG but don't claim he was out there with a tactical masterclass. He switched to an obvious adjustment. Frustratingly this week he switched back to an odd system that wasn't as suitable, which brings back questions again. Not because it's an isolated incident, but because he's done it many times.
You need to be careful talking like that around here. Words like this can get you into some serious trouble.
It can't be more obvious that he is tactically inept , against Chelsea he set us up to counter but unfortunately for him , fat frank also has the same idea, I forgot when the last time he manage to switch his tactic mid game when his plan A didn't work.
In fairness to him. That’s exactly the same story. We literally took until the final game, he’s implying it will be similarly close this season.
They have also been clinging to Ole's record in the big games, which was good last season but only before lockdown. Since the restart, including yesterday's result, the record in big games stands at Played 7, Won 2, Drawn 2, and Lost 3 at an aggregate score of 8-13. His big game effectiveness is only going to get worse since opposing managers are figuring out that as long as they don't let United space in behind for our fast attackers, they can completely blunt us. This team gets no attacking coaching; it is the most obvious things to see.
What’s your point? Anyone with an ounce of sense knew it was going to be difficult for us after SAF retired and Gill moved on.
This kind of comment gets funnier every time I see it. Obvious adjustment, obvious lineup, obvious transfer. Everything is so obvious to the armchair manager in hindsight.
Probably the Glazers as they'll lose the PL money
Probably the club because theyll be less transfer money
Probably Ed because he could lose his job
Probably Ole because he'll probably lose his job
And probably us supporters because we'll be back playing Lask instead of PSG
Other than that I can't think of anyone.
Should have been sacked after Spurs game.It still hurts me in my stomach when i think about that game.
Yes we've started poorly. But our last 3 games, have been good.
Newcastle W
PSG W
Chelsea D
All good results in reality. We have a game in hand. We would be in 6th place above Chelsea and Arsenal and only 3 points behind 1st and 2nd placed Everton and liverpool if we were to have played and won the game in hand.
Its very early still so cant be too judgemental of Ole.
Newcastle W
PSG W
Chelsea D
All good results in reality. We have a game in hand. We would be in 6th place above Chelsea and Arsenal and only 3 points behind 1st and 2nd placed Everton and liverpool if we were to have played and won the game in hand.
Its very early still so cant be too judgemental of Ole.
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