Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Skåre Willoch]

My view is that if there's a better coach out there (of which there are many) then we should get them irrespective of other issues at the club.

If your house has loads of issues do you just ignore the most prevalent ones because they won't fix the other problems the house has? "oh sure my house is flooding cause the boiler is fecked but what's the point in fixing that if rain is coming in from the leaks in the roof!".

Is Ole the most prevalent issue, though? Or is it the owners, Ed, etc.? You could turn your example around and say that "My house is flooding because the boiler is fecked, so I'm fixing the electric issues first so I don't get fecking electrocuted trying to fix it".

With your proposal, top 4 might be out of reach by then.

We said the exact same thing last season.

"It's impossible"
"Top 4 is definitely out of reach"
"Sack him already"
"Clueless"

We ended up third with deep runs in all competitions. I think we'll turn it around again, and achieve about the same as last year. Who's expecting us to properly contend right now, anyway? Do any of you (not you specifically, @Eddy_JukeZ ) think Pochettino/anyone can do better than 3rd/4th and maybe win the League Cup with this team?

I agree with @OleBoiii , I don't think any manager will fix our issues long term. Sure, we might get a "new manager bounce", but the problems with the club runs so deep that any manager will struggle after a (short) while.

But sure. Sack Ole, bring in Poch, be happy for three months, rinse, repeat.

 

[Berbasbullet]

What top manager would want to be part of this terribly run club? Seriously? What a lion pit to walk into.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Is Ole the most prevalent issue, though? Or is it the owners, Ed, etc.? You could turn your example around and say that "My house is flooding because the boiler is fecked, so I'm fixing the electric issues first so I don't get fecking electrocuted trying to fix it".



We said the exact same thing last season.

"It's impossible"
"Top 4 is definitely out of reach"
"Sack him already"
"Clueless"

We ended up third with deep runs in all competitions. I think we'll turn it around again, and achieve about the same as last year. Who's expecting us to properly contend right now, anyway? Do any of you (not you specifically, @Eddy_JukeZ ) think Pochettino/anyone can do better than 3rd/4th and maybe win the League Cup with this team?

I agree with @OleBoiii , I don't think any manager will fix our issues long term. Sure, we might get a "new manager bounce", but the problems with the club runs so deep that any manager will struggle after a (short) while.

But sure. Sack Ole, bring in Poch, be happy for three months, rinse, repeat.

Last season had other clubs capitulating to give us a chance. We did well to make up the ground, but that scenario likely won't repeat itself.

We had a very low tally for 3rd place.

 

[Berbasbullet]

I’m so worried we are about to go on an awful awful run, some tough games coming up.

 

[tombombadil]

He won a title in 2014-2015 and then proceeded to have the worst title defense ever at that point in the Prem. He had Chelsea in relegation form before he got sacked. He was embroiled in controversy with Chelsea's trainer. That is the last time he's won a league title. He hasn't even come close to competing for a title since then.

He won the most trophies with us post-SAF. What a high bar he had to deal with. He competed with the useless Moyes and another has-been in Van Gaal. We won a league cup and Europa League under him. 2nd rate trophies.

He finished 2nd 19 points behind the champions. Sanctioned the massive outlay on Sanchez that was the worst transfer in our history. Started falling out with players. The manager of Manchester United then went to Seville and played them like they were Pep's Barcelona. He touted how he had a plan. Came back and we lost the 2nd leg. Then, this shameless manager decides to disconnect himself from the club. He was a tragedy the entire 2nd half of the season.

Good for him trashing us 6-1. I never said Ole is a better manager than Jose.

Go get a poster of Jose in your room. He completely failed here and hasn't been a top manager for a long time.

You can argue all you want. But the cold hard facts of reality remain the same. And you cannot hide your head in the sand forever.

That "has been" is the only manager to have won an EPL in the previous 5 years among all managers post Fergie when he joined.
He has won the most trophies and the most prestigious trophies with us post Fergie.
He has achieved the highest points total and EPL placing post Fergie.
And this "has been" coach just trashed us 6-1.

Oh, and we don't really let managers buy players. The transfer committee, of which the manager is one of many members, decides. It's the same with Ole.

 

[DJW]

A great manager could definitely change the tides despite the owners, Liverpool fans weren't happy with their owners when they lost 6-1 to Stoke on Gerrard's last game, 5 months later they sacked a much better manager than Ole and appointed Klopp and the rest is history.

Exactly we stick to this ridiculous idea we must not sack a manager until it’s too late. Remove the blinkers and follow every other major club in Europe and move to replace the manager, it’s amazing how the Bayern’s / Real’s etc cope with sacking managers and moving on. Ole out try with Poch and then see where we are ?

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I agree. What's the point in sacking Ole now and getting Pochettino in, spend another 150 million to "rebuild" and then sabotage the manager again on his second season?

It doesn't matter what manager we have. The problems lie upstairs. Wake up. Any manager will suffer if they have to play with constraints/handicaps like this.

Play defensive? Oh no ambition. Not United style.
Play attacking and get trashed? Oh lousy manager. Clueless manager. Get rid.
Change manager for the umpteenth time and waste another 300 million to rebuild but refuse to buy the key players the manager wants in the second season? So what if we bought an 80 million GBP target man but refused to buy a proper winger to feed the target man? We already spent so much last season. Make do. If the team underperforms? Lousy manager. Clueless manager. Get rid.

Rinse wash repeat. Notice the pattern here?

There is no winning this war. Not with myopic knee jerk reactions. Fix the systemic problems first. Create long term solutions. Not knee jerk reactions and praying we strike gold with an SAF 2.0

What constraints? What handicaps?

No manager will get every signing they want 100% of the time. He's had more than enough time to implement his ideals with the squad and show clear signs of progression.

 

[Infra-red]

To those saying that the sentiments of this thread represent a "kneejerk" reaction to an atrocious result, the facts are that, taking out summer breaks and lockdown, we have played about 15 months of football under Solskjaer and have been in terrible form for about 9 of them. That is simply not good enough.

 

[Idxomer]

I agree. What's the point in sacking Ole now and getting Pochettino in, spend another 150 million to "rebuild" and then sabotage the manager again on his second season?

It doesn't matter what manager we have. The problems lie upstairs. Wake up. Any manager will suffer if they have to play with constraints/handicaps like this.

If a manager spends 200m in his 1st season which what happened with Ole, he shouldn't need the same amount in his 2nd if he bought the right players.

All managers play with constraints, Zidane spent a fortune last season, but he can't this one and has to even sell some of his players and they're in pretty much the middle of a buildup.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

You can argue all you want. But the cold hard facts of reality remain the same. And you cannot hide your head in the sand forever.

That "has been" is the only manager to have won an EPL in the previous 5 years among all managers post Fergie when he joined.
He has won the most trophies and the most prestigious trophies with us post Fergie.
He has achieved the highest points total and EPL placing post Fergie.
And this "has been" coach just trashed us 6-1.

Oh, and we don't really let managers buy players. The transfer committee, of which the manager is one of many members, decides. It's the same with Ole.

Like I said, go get a poster of Jose in your room. You're the one hiding in the sand.

The committee aren't going to buy a player the manager doesn't approve of.

 

[Zen86]

I’d actually take encouragement from yesterday’s result. Up until Spurs‘ first goal we were 1-0 up and cruising to victory. It was only a freak error in defence that destabilised us. If it wasn’t for that, it may well have been 6-1 to us.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I’d actually take encouragement from yesterday’s result. Up until Spurs‘ first goal we were 1-0 up and cruising to victory. It was only a freak error in defence that destabilised us. If it wasn’t for that, it may well have been 6-1 to us.

Surely you're taking the piss?

 

[Judge Red]

When you look at the difference between Ole and Klopp’s post match interviews yesterday you see:

1. A disconsolate man who trots out ‘we’ve now got to bounce back’ for the umpteenth time.

2. An upbeat man who believes his team can and will bounce back from a freak result.

 

[Tel074]

Everyone needs to calm down and stop posting things like Maguire , Pogba , Shaw or Ole are shite .
They are not shite but something really isn't looking right currently.
We have been hammered in all 3 PL games this season . Brighton should have scored 6 as well .
For me our midfield just isnt working currently.

Pogba had Corona is he still feeling the effects of it ? He has been a complete mile away from what he needs to be.
Im a season ticket holder and like most I'm a Ole in fan but playing a clearly unfit Pogba is a huge mistake . Is Maguire feeling the effects of his arrest mentally ? Because he's also been a mile off where he should be .
If this form continues then Ole will be sacked there is no doubt about that and yesterday my feelings were that he should just walk away because he looked out of his depth.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

Last season had other clubs capitulating to give us a chance. We did well to make up the ground, but that scenario likely won't repeat itself.

We had a very low tally for 3rd place.

It wasn't likely last season either, but giving up and doing to old sack-and-hire dance likely would've kept us out of the CL this season in my opinion.

We've played three games this season. It's not like the other clubs need to capitulate for us to gain momentum and score more points than them. Leicester lost badly yesterday. Wolves got trashed by the same West Ham team only a week ago. Liverpool lost 7-2 against Aston Villa. Man City couldn't beat Leeds. It's not like we're 16 points behind the top 4, we're 6 points behind with a game in hand. 1 point worse than Man City. The same Man City that lost 5-2 (!) against the mighty Leicester City. Football, bloody hell.

 

[tombombadil]

What constraints? What handicaps?

No manager will get every signing they want 100% of the time. He's had more than enough time to implement his ideals with the squad and show clear signs of progression.

More than enough time. A grand total of 1 season and 1 month, you mean?

 

[Infra-red]

Surely you're taking the piss?

He is being sarcastic... I hope!

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

More than enough time. A grand total of 1 season and 1 month, you mean?

2 years in 2 months.

How is that not enough time?

What, you'd give him 5 years?

If there was something tangible in progression, we'd see it by now...

 

[tombombadil]

If a manager spends 200m in his 1st season which what happened with Ole, he shouldn't need the same amount in his 2nd if he bought the right players.

All managers play with constraints, Zidane spent a fortune last season, but he can't this one and has to even sell some of his players and they're in pretty much the middle of a buildup.

Then we'd have to sack Pep after one season. Look at the full backs he got rid and replaced.

 

[L1nk]

Me meet another clueless trigger happy clown

Me, meet a massively deluded clown who thinks a man that relegated Cardiff, had them in freefall in the Championship and didn't set the Norwegian league on fire is going to get us back to the top, just because he used to play for us.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

It wasn't likely last season either, but giving up and doing to old sack-and-hire dance likely would've kept us out of the CL this season in my opinion.

We've played three games this season. It's not like the other clubs need to capitulate for us to gain momentum and score more points than then. Leicester lost badly yesterday. Wolves got trashed by the same West Ham team only a week ago. Liverpool lost 7-2 against Aston Villa. Man City couldn't beat Leeds. It's not like we're 16 points behind the top 4, we're 6 points behind with a game in hand. 1 point worse than Man City. The same Man City that lost 5-2 (!) against the mighty Leicester City. Football, bloody hell.

We've played three games and in all 3 games, we've been dominated.

 

[mancave bear]

How is it a pipe dream? Any manager with half an ability would do better with this squad. He has to go

No. They would not do better. Look at Klop/Liverpool vs Aston Villa. And City.... Or The Special One, when he was our Manager. Ole is the best Manager for us now.

 

[tombombadil]

Like I said, go get a poster of Jose in your room. You're the one hiding in the sand.

The committee aren't going to buy a player the manager doesn't approve of.

And the player might not be what the manager wants, but he has no other choices available. So what does he do? Compromise. And if the guy flops. Lousy manager. Clueless manager. Get rid. Rinse wash repeat.

 

[r3idy]

For the sake of avoiding an argument that has been done to death, let's say the 82 point thing is flawed. But the question remains what OGS has done to merit further backing?

If you dont back your manager whoever it is then effectively you are sabotaging your own club/company/business. Makes no sense.

There is inherently a recruitment issue that is being addressed. We wanted Regulion and walked away because it was nothing more than a glorified loan. Ironically he then joins Spurs managed by Jose. Ole has stuck to his principals on what he believes is the right way to build a successful team Long term and he has made it clear, it's long term. Quick fixes under Moyes, LVG and Jose have not worked. Simple as that.

Regardless of Ole's shelf life at United be that This week, this month or at some undetermined date in the future, the club will be left in a much better position than when he took over from Jose. We seem to be getting more young talent from the continent like the kids from Barca / Madrid academy, CF from Atletico Madrid, Mjebril, the list goes on. Go back two years and talent like Pulisic wouldn't come near the club because Jose was in charge.

The issue I have with this position is that it is an extremely blinkered view point. Its not about Ole, never was about Ole. Its not Ole that 'deserves' further backing. The team is woefully weak beyond the first XI (dare I say first 4 or 5 based on yesterday) It's also imbalanced based on trophy signings (Schweinsteiger, Falcao, Di Maria), piss poor contract management from Judge, Woodward (Jones, De Gea, et al). In the goalkeeping department we are spunking the best part of £450k per week on goalies. Only one of the feckers can play in net.

Put simply if you don't invest in the team while your rivals are then you will go backwards regardless of whether that is Ole, Jose, LVG, Pep, or whoever in charge.

 

[OleBoiii]

When you look at the difference between Ole and Klopp’s post match interviews yesterday you see:

1. A disconsolate man who trots out ‘we’ve now got to bounce back’ for the umpteenth time.

2. An upbeat man who believes his team can and will bounce back from a freak result.

I hate the Klopp comparisons!

First of all, Klopp is quite clearly special. He's a once a generation managerial talent. I don't like his personality, but I hold him to a higher regard than Mourinho and Pep when it comes to his managerial skills.

Secondly, he's just come off two successful seasons. It takes a lot more than one ugly loss to ruin your day then.

Thirdly and most importantly: he's given 100% support from the club. Even before he won anything he could literally shit on the owner's desk without consequence. Now he's even more untouchable.

Bonus point: Klopp actually spoke with Ed Woordward before he went to Liverpool, and he was not impressed. Turns out the talented managers can smell the stink from our club a mile away.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

And the player might not be what the manager wants, but he has no other choices available. So what does he do? Compromise. And if the guy flops. Lousy manager. Clueless manager. Get rid. Rinse wash repeat.

So you are going to absolve all blame from Ole?

He is not responsible for anything on the field?

You have no concrete info if a player was ever brought in without a manager's approval.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

Me, meet a massively deluded clown who thinks a man that relegated Cardiff, had them in freefall in the Championship and didn't set the Norwegian league on fire is going to get us back to the top, just because he used to play for us.

He did set the Norwegian league on fire, though.

We've played three games and in all 3 games, we've been dominated.

The key here is "We've played three games". At least that's the entire point of my post. Three games is not enough to warrant a sack after getting us back in the Champions League and showing clear signs of progress.
And before the usual "WHAT PROGRESS?" - third place in the league with three semi finals and great results against the top teams in the league while playing (at times) fantastic attacking football is progress in my opinion. "66 points is usually not enough for 3rd". But it was in 19/20.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It’s worth noting that while our defence has been atrocious, our central midfield has been equally bad. Which is one area where the manager can’t complain about a lack of investment. If he can’t get a tune out of an area of the pitch where he seems to think we don’t need any more signings, why should we expect new signings to fix any other problems?

 

[JG3001]

Let's take a moment and actually break the game down from the very start.

Starting XI - I don't think anyone disagreed with that. Every one wanted Bailly to come in, and add to that his pace was going to be useful vs Son.

Tactics - Just the regular tactics, nothing special. During the time Martial was on the field, I noticed that we were focussing our attacks on our left, their right, as Aurier was identified as the weak link in the defence, and rightly so. I don't think there was much that you can point out that there as wrong. I did notice that Aurier had a lot of space, and Shaw was quite narrow when defending, which seemed odd. But I don't see Ole having given an instruction that if Aurier comes from that side, stay narrow only instead of closing him down. That's defending 101. And surely, someone from the backroom staff or even the players would have pointed it out.

Goals -
1st goal - Maguire makes 3 errors in a matter of 5 seconds. Was there an issue with how we were set up for the throw-in that was the issue? No. It was a regular throw--in that we made a meal of.
2nd goal - Again, defending 101, something that's taught to the defenders in the school in pretty much their 1st football lesson. It was simply a case of switching off rather than it being a tactical issue
3rd goal - I agree we like to play from the back, but we have in cases launched the ball forward. Add to that, there's no way the instruction in such cases would be to pass to centrally. That was literally the worst decision Bailly could have made, and brainfarts like those are exactly why many people here, including me, haven't been fully convinced by him
4th goal - I've no idea why Shaw was at the position where he was, his movement should have been to occupy Maguire's position when Maguire moved towards the ball, but he moved towards Kane - not the worst decision mind you, but then you'd notice that Bailly didn't come forward to the near post, which was another poor decision. And after this, another poor defending by Maguire, who let a cross through between his legs. Is there any tactical issue here? No, as Bailly was switched off, Maguire made a meal out of a really poor cross
5th goal - Pogba is caught napping, Shaw hadn't tracked back to his position, something he had done throughout the game (infact to pretty much that exact position where Aurier got the ball), which means that it wasn't a tactical issue.
6th goal - Pogba diving way too early and in a position where there was no real danger.

Now, I'm not going to say that Ole got everything spot on. I do think Bruno should have stayed on, and we should have subbed Pogba instead. And I do think, that we were lucky that we didn't concede a goal from one of those long balls over our defence. But, it's tough to pin this defeat on Ol, when there was no obvious tactical issue here.

My (and indeed many others) gripe is that many like you assume we look at this one game and go ‘sack him’ as if it’s pure over reaction.

Most of us have made our mind up judging the last 2 years. We acknowledge the board is crap, we acknowledge the team is garbage and has serious motivation problems (shame we can’t change their wages to a pay only when they win only basis). However this does not excuse the quite frankly poor management and coaching of Ole and the back room staff.

Just because it clicks some times doesn’t mean we’re making progress, we’ve hit a purple patch under every manager we’ve had so far. Our post PSG form, and indeed post lockdown form was staggeringly bad but gets overlooked more often than not because of our league position, which many still put down to large swathes of luck, our penalty count & Leicester implosion.

Will a new manager now immediately change anything in the pitch, probably not, but I’m sick of seeing traditional lower half football teams play coherent football against us with supposedly lesser players.

People can’t admit that they are holding onto sentimentality, if he wasn’t ex-United he’d be getting hounded out the club by just about everyone.

 

[BR7]

No. They would not do better. Look Klop/Liverpool vs Aston Villa. And City.... Or The Special One, when he was our Manager. Ole is the best Manager for us now.

You’ll have to expand in that comment as I’ve watched him enough to know he isn’t even prem quality. If we sack him who will employ him in the prem? I suggest no one so if he ain’t good enough for Fulham he ain’t good enough for united. Agreed? No one in the prem rates him but some united fans. No one

 

[tombombadil]

2 years in 2 months.

How is that not enough time?

What, you'd give him 5 years?

If there was something tangible in progression, we'd see it by now...

His first proper transfer window as manager was only last season.

This team is not as good as some people make it out to be. But it also isn't as shit as some people make it out to be. More likely, it's somewhere in between. And it is tangibly better than previous seasons. Is it enough to win the league? No. Challenge the league? No. Challenge for top 4? For Ole's sake, I hope so.

I don't know if he will succeed. But I do know the carousel of managers has got to stop. And we need to fix the systemic problems upstairs first. Right now, I'm pretty sure he'll be long gone if we repeat the same poor run as last season until Dec. And round the carousel we go again.
Rinse wash repeat.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

It’s worth noting that while our defence has been atrocious, our central midfield has been equally bad. Which is one area where the manager can’t complain about a lack of investment. If he can’t get a tune out of an area of the pitch where he seems to think we don’t need any more signings, why should we expect new signings to fix any other problems?

Beats me. Blind hope?

 

[Idxomer]

Then we'd have to sack Pep after one season. Look at the full backs he got rid and replaced.

City doesn't operate like most clubs but even with them, you'll notice fluctuations in transfers from a season to another.

Do you really think United doesn't spend enough money?

 

[Massive Spanner]

This analogy doesn't work if you actually payed attention to my main point. In my view, getting a new manager would be the equivalent of trying to put out a huge fire with a single bucket of water.

Also, people speak as if Solskjær hasn't done anything right. Getting 3rd last season with our injuries is definitely a good achievement. By all accounts, Bruno is a Solskjær signing too. He's also clearly trying to get rid of the deadwood and signing new players. It's not his fault that the club is incapable of this. Also, if he was so poor tactically, how come he's done so well against the other top coaches?

I paid attention to it, it was silly. You are basically bundling all our problems into the one basket in order to try claim that somehow, getting a much better manager wouldn't change anything, which is daft. Yes, maybe that manager would run into the same roadblocks at the others did, or, maybe we have simply not hired the right manager yet? Have you considered the fact that all four of our managers since SAF have clearly not been up to the task? Who's to say if we didn't get someone at the level of Klopp, they wouldn't do much better than these 4 have done? Can you honestly with a straight face tell me that a much better fit of a manager than those wouldn't potentially do a much better job despite the shortcomings of the board? Come on now.

Top three with 64 points wasn't an achievement in my eyes, it's only viewed that way because of our dire performances pre-lockdown which had us in a way worse position than we should have been. Prior to the season starting I expected a 70+ point haul because we had the third best squad in the league anyway. I said many times Ole deserves credit for our post-lockdown revival but I also feel we'd never have been in a position where we needed a run like that if he'd been doing a good job pre-lockdown.

I'm not sure how you can give him credit for Bruno with a straight face whilst ignoring the fact that his other three signings were so poor. C'mon!

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

His first proper transfer window as manager was only last season.

This team is not as good as some people make it out to be. But it also isn't as shit as some people make it out to be. More likely, it's somewhere in between. And it is tangibly better than previous seasons. Is it enough to win the league? No. Challenge the league? No. Challenge for top 4? For Ole's sake, I hope so.

I don't know if he will succeed. But I do know the carousel of managers has got to stop. And we need to fix the systemic problems upstairs first. Right now, I'm pretty sure he'll be long gone if we repeat the same poor run as last season until Dec. And round the carousel we go again.
Rinse wash repeat.

Clubs hire and sack managers all the time. If you're failing at your job, you're out. If it was up to you, you likely never would have sacked Kovac at Bayern last season.

This idea that changing managers every now and then is a problem is nonsense. Real Madrid change their managers constantly.

We're not a special club. We had 2 special managers.

 

[ChrisNelson]

I can see both sides of the argument here.

Yes we need to have a firm look at the heirarchy of the club.

Liverpool have brought in Tsimikas, Thiago and Jota yet still made a £10M profit due to sales of fringe players. This is fantastic business and shows that the people within the club above Klopp are good businessmen. So they have a good manager and great businessmen.

We, I'm afraid don't have either.

Ole has effectively made a panic purchase bringing in DvdB yet not starting him. All of the headlines have been about out pursuit of a player (Sancho) that we don't desperately need. Of course he improves the squad but the areas where improvement is needed stand out much more in other areas.

The positioning of our defence at times yesterday was beyond embarrassing. If not Ole, then Maguire as leader should be doing something about it but then he was pretty poor himself.

I heard someone over the weekend say (whether in jest I'm not sure) that Pep could do worse than bring in Sam Allardyce to coach their defence and I wonder if that's the kind of thing we need - a specialist to take them back to basics.

Aside from this though a top manager should be able to get the best out of a World Cup winning midfielder in Paul Pogba and yet I just don't think he knows what to do with him.

So many problems at the moment that the next 12 hours aren't going to fix, it will take at least another couple of windows but that's where our recruitment needs to be better - start planning NOW!

 

[tombombadil]

So you are going to absolve all blame from Ole?

He is not responsible for anything on the field?

You have no concrete info if a player was ever brought in without a manager's approval.

It's hard to pinpoint blame, when the whole process is a mess of compromises. Unless we have the minutes of meetings to share and review. What we can say, is, maybe, the system in place might not be the best. And that system needs changing. I don't know if I'm right, but after 6 years of non value adding drama transfers, I really long for decisive decision making. Not a messy compromise of multiple parties.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

City doesn't operate like most clubs but even with them, you'll notice fluctuations in transfers from a season to another.

Do you really think United doesn't spend enough money?

Compared to the other ambitious clubs in the league? No, we don't. So far this window 11 English clubs have spent more money than us. We've spent €210m less than Chelsea. €120m less than Man City. €50m less than Spurs. €40m less than Liverpool. €35m less than Everton. €45m and €37m less than bloody Aston Villa and Sheffield United.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

It's hard to pinpoint blame, when the whole process is a mess of compromises. Unless we have the minutes of meetings to share and review. What we can say, is, maybe, the system in place might not be the best. And that system needs changing. I don't know if I'm right, but after 6 years of non value adding drama transfers, I really long for decisive decision making. Not a messy compromise of multiple parties.

Answer the question: Is Ole not responsible for how the team performs?

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Compared to the other ambitious clubs in the league? No, we don't. So far this window 11 English clubs have spent more money than us. We've spent €210m less than Chelsea. €120m less than Man City. €50m less than Spurs. €40m less than Liverpool. €35m less than Everton. €45m amd €37m less than bloody Aston Villa and Sheffield United.

How can you say that with a straight face?

Look at our spending since Fergie retired. Compare the spending then. Look at the wages our players earn.