Because a one off bad performance doesn't mean a team is badly managed. Ffs.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Because a one off bad performance doesn't mean a team is badly managed. Ffs.
I wanted him sacked when we were doing well, now we've lost a match he has to stay.
If he wins the next match he has to go.
#endlessparodyofthisthread
If he wins the next match he has to go.
#endlessparodyofthisthread
Can you read?
"We have had good and bad stretches. Currently we are in a bad one." Your words. Not mine.
Course you can. Before lockdown we had... one sec, just tallying this up... ZERO creative players available to us. Post lock down we had Two. It shouldn't come as a surprise that the team looked substantially better when we had better players available to us. What today illustrates is this squad still needs investment. We need more than one quality player in every position. Because when the nutjob schedulers fecks you over as they did today, and we have to make changes, we need to replace quality with quality.
This.
Excuses will always be made for him. A 3-0 loss to West Ham will be described as an unlucky yet encouraging loss.
The killer instinct has been lost not just as a management team but as a club & a fan base
Think thread always get bumped even after a long unbeaten run.
This is the 10th loss of the season, and we are still out of top 4 and on course to the second/third-worst EPL finish we have had in history (points-wise). Let's stop pretending that this is the only bad result we got this season.
Sure, the season can yet be redeemed, especially with Leicester being in free fall, but let's not exaggerate and pretend that it was a great season, and now that we lost a match the knives are out.
I don’t like being proved right for a year- I wish he was a decent manager. Alas he’s not
There's an irony here that I'm pretty confident you're missing...
There was literally nothing reactionary or hostile about my post. Yours on the other hand...
Too many people with unrealistic expectations.
I hope we do, and that is the minimum, but if he fails, then you know the next step.
You literally have no idea what you’re talking about, this is why nobody engages with your nonsense. You’ve got nothing to back up your statements, which are ramblings at best
It’s not a one off bad performance..we’ve not been playing great last few games. This was coming.
And also I see you’re forgetting the whole of the first part of the season
FFS
@Sultan , this poll really needs a third option 'Decide at the end of the season' which has always been the preferred option for many (and IMO the only rational option).
Ffs people, was it Ole's fault that DDG cost us the game with two top brainfarts? Okay we didnt field our strong 11 but it's not like Chelsea did a whole lot to score, we gifted them the softest two goals of the season, we literally handed them the control of the game, their pressing was very good however.
We had to rotate in order to maximize our chances of reaching CL, that cup despite all its english significance is far less important than CL qualification, the likes of Sancho and co would like to join a CL challenging team. Our rotation wasnt good enough, James was disappointing so was Fred, my only take on Ole is that he didnt start Ighalo, we needed a striker to hold the ball against Rudiger/Zouma, like Giroud was doing against us...
We had to rotate in order to maximize our chances of reaching CL, that cup despite all its english significance is far less important than CL qualification, the likes of Sancho and co would like to join a CL challenging team. Our rotation wasnt good enough, James was disappointing so was Fred, my only take on Ole is that he didnt start Ighalo, we needed a striker to hold the ball against Rudiger/Zouma, like Giroud was doing against us...
He won’t get sacked even if we don’t get top 4.
He’s done well regardless and there’s no one to replace him with where this situation would improve.
SAF did great, but how much was it down to(insert player(s) name).....
Why is this a argument for Ole
When he got the job it was Pogba, who was terrible for Jose previously.
Before the January window it was Rashford, now it's Bruno....
The Ole out brigade really are something, they barely can give him any credit, and blame everything on him when we lose.
Why is this a argument for Ole
When he got the job it was Pogba, who was terrible for Jose previously.
Before the January window it was Rashford, now it's Bruno....
The Ole out brigade really are something, they barely can give him any credit, and blame everything on him when we lose.
TBF to the Ole supporters, if he makes top 4 I agree he has earned the right to coach another season. And even if he doesn't you can make an argument that he still deserves a chance.
But for a minute. Forget about top 4 and look at the squad.
Let say in the summer we add Sancho, Skrinar and another CM. That team talentwise would be on par with Liverpool. Can that team with Ole as manager challenge for a title ? We
That has to be the question. Can Ole with the right additions challenge ?
Over the course of this season, I'd say no. Some may say he could pull off a Zidane. But its not insane to consider it.
The board if they were smart should be asking these questions. It does not mean Ole gets fired. But the board has a responsibility to consider it.
Liverpool don't have the financial muscle of a Man City. What they did is maximize every position including the coach. We have to do the same. To do that, the board needs to evaluate the wholes season and make a determination if Ole can get a 100 % from this team over the course of a full season.
But for a minute. Forget about top 4 and look at the squad.
Let say in the summer we add Sancho, Skrinar and another CM. That team talentwise would be on par with Liverpool. Can that team with Ole as manager challenge for a title ? We
That has to be the question. Can Ole with the right additions challenge ?
Over the course of this season, I'd say no. Some may say he could pull off a Zidane. But its not insane to consider it.
The board if they were smart should be asking these questions. It does not mean Ole gets fired. But the board has a responsibility to consider it.
Liverpool don't have the financial muscle of a Man City. What they did is maximize every position including the coach. We have to do the same. To do that, the board needs to evaluate the wholes season and make a determination if Ole can get a 100 % from this team over the course of a full season.
On that basis, would you call Ole>Pep? City have lost more games than us, not just in all competitions combined but also the league. Let's sack Ole but acknowledge that he is better than Pep, is slightly worse than Klopp (who's lost 8 games but they've played lesser games than us)
Here's a list of teams that have grinded out results with enormous luck this season, and have hit spells of bad form either recently or for a substantial part of the season:
Liverpool
Arsenal
Tottenham
Manchester United
Manchester City
Southampton
Leicester
Wolves
Sheffield United
Crystal Palace
Newcastle
Everton
Burnley
and so on....
Nothing to back it up? Still not being top 4 & a shite show of a semi final performance is a bit of evidence. Never being able to change a game which we’ve started poorly is more.
If we don’t get top 4 he has to go. I concede if he does he’s probably done the minimum required. But there are much better managers out there
You mean we drew a game and grinded out a win? It's like you've forgotten how regularly that happened under the greatest manager of all time.
It's idiotic to ignore that when you play with zero creative players it's difficult to play well. It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that Bruno+Pogba makes the whole team substantially better. I wouldn't if I and others hadn't been making this point continuously for the best part of the season. If you want to ignore context, it just further demonstrate the extent you'll go to to wangle out of being proven wrong by a manager that has transformed this team.
We now need good sense in buying the second string or promoting the U-23s and U-18s. The performances are getting flat if we tweak few players from 2nd String. This has exposed our lack in depth with the quality of our squad. Need at least 5 players to compete.
RW - Sancho(no brainer)
AM - Grealish (for competition)
CB - No brainer
CDM - Matic replacement who is good with ball as well
ST - Traits of Ighalo who can hold the ball.
The sooner we get 5 players we may be able to challenge for trophies.
RW - Sancho(no brainer)
AM - Grealish (for competition)
CB - No brainer
CDM - Matic replacement who is good with ball as well
ST - Traits of Ighalo who can hold the ball.
The sooner we get 5 players we may be able to challenge for trophies.
I already know that. I'll also advise our fans to be cautious before accepting Ole as a long term solution.
Still 100% behind Ole, tonight was an awkward game where he had 48 hours to get a tired team and rotate a few squad players in.
Yes he got it wrong but he isn't the first and won't be the last to make a mistake with his lineup. Hopefully, he will learn from this and see certain squad players are currently exhausted.
Yes he got it wrong but he isn't the first and won't be the last to make a mistake with his lineup. Hopefully, he will learn from this and see certain squad players are currently exhausted.
Bumped? It's been going all week!
Liverpool have been outstanding all season haven't they? I mean they haven't played poorly and won all season at all have they?!
Jesus wept, our performances have been fine in the last few games, tonight however was poor.
Get over yourself and remember that a team cannot play amazing football every game!!
IMO this is the beginning of the end of our second purple patch. Once the Bruno effect has subsided, we'll be in trouble again. I'm still not convinced our coaching is good enough.
Standards have dropped to frightening levels. There is understanding that everything requires a process but the fundamental question i ask to all the ole in crowd is do you think ole is one of the best managers in the world? If not don't manchester united, one of the greatest football clubs in the world deserve a top top manager?
We were shit for an entire half of the season. Matchweek 25 we were in 7th place with 9 wins. If it wasn't for Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal being equally dire, we'd be nowhere near 4th place. If we win the last two games, we'll finish at 68 points. We've never made the top 4 before with that kind of point tally. A few years ago, 69 points got us 6th place and we trailed six points behind 5th. If we don't win the next two games, it'll be the lowest number of league wins we've ever had in a PL season. While I don't necessarily want rid of him (mainly because there's not many top coaches available at the moment), he has hardly had an impressive season. Performances have been grotesquely inconsistent and we're roughly on par with seasons that got Moyes, LVG and Mourinho sacked.
Our biggest star wants away, we're out of contention for any trophy, and we require a result away against a team above us in the table in order to get anything whatsoever out of the season--a team that will have rested for a full week while we've played a very important game four days prior. I'll give him another year for lack of tempting alternatives, but to say he has done well is nothing short of ridiculous. We've had an awful season.
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Don't even attempt it, he's an agenda poster. Save yourself the headache and talk to the nearest potato. Probably enjoy it more.
The greatest post ever in this thread.
Said it so Subtle aswell even the most deluded of fan can digest the message your getting across.
Getting results against middling oppostion when the pressure is off is all good and well but another level is needed for a proper United coach.
Poch can take it from here.
Poch can take it from here.
How does the 1st half of the season matter now! Fecking hell, Pep struggled in his 1st half of the season here, and he had spent a feckton. It's really simple, is our graph going up, down or stagnated - and everyone knows what the answer is over here and on that basis, Ole needs to continue here irrespective of whether we get CL next season or not
My post was not even about that it was Chelsea specific. Nevertheless we could even finish above them. Finishing 3rd would be as good as most could have hoped for this season.
You’re deluded if you think we’ve played well last few games. We really haven’t
He's proven me wrong this second half of the season and done a good job getting us back on track.
I still don't think he has what it takes to get us to that next level where we aspire to be though. Keep him if we make Top 4, but if a top manager becomes available, we may have a difficult decision to consider.
I still don't think he has what it takes to get us to that next level where we aspire to be though. Keep him if we make Top 4, but if a top manager becomes available, we may have a difficult decision to consider.
Last time I checked, they are 13 points ahead of us. Last time I checked they also qualified for UCL last season (actually won the title). So no, Ole > Pep is not true even in the imagination of the most deluded top reds.
My entire point is that people are sceptical with Ole not because of this game, but because of this entire season when we still have to secure UCL football in a historically weak league (at least one team can qualify with 65 points, the last time this has happened was in 2004/2005.
You cannot be shit for half a season, and then pretend that first half of the season does not matter, which are what Ole's worshippers are doing. Every mistake counts, especially when you make too many mistakes early in the season.
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