I’d be ecstatic. Hell not even top 4 but top 5 works out well too. Obviously being 4th or better is greater for optics.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Was losing a bit of hope during the end of last year, but did a brilliant job in January which has instantly improved is as a team. Shows what having a real creator, jinus Injured Pogba, can add to a team. 7/9 clean sheets and starting to play some lovely football. Backed him to stay, even through my wavering feelings because, I believe in the plan he is trying to achieve. Recently dropping Jesse and Andreas now we finally have a real number 10 was also exactly the right decision with also many players improving this season. Next year could be a good one and for ths first time in a while, I'm starting to like a majority of our squad.
DO you support Manchester United??? If so, it is fact and undeniable that he is your manager.
we can carry this on as long as you like.
The guy deserves his chance if he can get us back in CL spot even if we finish 5th (Thanks to City).
The guy made smart recruitment decision unlike everyone else before.....Offloaded people who didn't want to be here or were rubbish (still more to come)...
I won't keep Pogba for us unless he signs a new dead and on the same wages (I want us to offer less wages but that's not a possibility)….
Give the guy another transfer window because with every addition we become better....
And also be realistic as fans....We are not gona challenge for league anytime soon so top 3 next year should be the goal and progress in CL through to QF or SF...
The guy made smart recruitment decision unlike everyone else before.....Offloaded people who didn't want to be here or were rubbish (still more to come)...
I won't keep Pogba for us unless he signs a new dead and on the same wages (I want us to offer less wages but that's not a possibility)….
Give the guy another transfer window because with every addition we become better....
And also be realistic as fans....We are not gona challenge for league anytime soon so top 3 next year should be the goal and progress in CL through to QF or SF...
He is an idiot who is still upset that we sacked Mourinho - ignore him
I voted sack him and get someone else in, but the time to sack him before the end of the season has passed. He's seeing the season out for better or worse so hopefully he can carry on this current run.
would people still call for sacking him if we finish 4th, win the EL and fa cup? i can't see how they still can. I realise it's a big if, but i'm sure for even the board there's a bar which if he meets he can't be sacked regardless of how much they sound out poch.
When we arent playing well it is all down to Ole.
When we play good, game after game, keeping clean sheets and scoring goals it is just down to individual brilliance and not Ole.
There are very limited objective views here. The discussion have become pointless.
When we play good, game after game, keeping clean sheets and scoring goals it is just down to individual brilliance and not Ole.
There are very limited objective views here. The discussion have become pointless.
I voted Ole out,but I can't deny the fact that some of the reasons I voted out has been improved on.
(1) Our football is beginning to be more entertaining than before.
(2) His signings are not only the spot on,but they are good cultural fits.
(3) Our build up is becoming faster.
(4) We are passing more through the lines,thanks to Bruno.
(5) Him and the players have conducted themselves very well (apart from Pogba and his agent).
He needs to improve on
(1) His in game management.
(2) Get a partner for Maguire, or play Bailly, I've noticed that we play highline with Bailly because of his pace, this will improve our pressing and attack.
I want us to qualify for CL and or win Europa/FA cup,even if we don't (though it will be painful) but continue to improve and finish the season strong. I will like him to have another season.
(1) Our football is beginning to be more entertaining than before.
(2) His signings are not only the spot on,but they are good cultural fits.
(3) Our build up is becoming faster.
(4) We are passing more through the lines,thanks to Bruno.
(5) Him and the players have conducted themselves very well (apart from Pogba and his agent).
He needs to improve on
(1) His in game management.
(2) Get a partner for Maguire, or play Bailly, I've noticed that we play highline with Bailly because of his pace, this will improve our pressing and attack.
I want us to qualify for CL and or win Europa/FA cup,even if we don't (though it will be painful) but continue to improve and finish the season strong. I will like him to have another season.
I agree with all this but feel failure to qualify for the champions league will make his position untenable. This is the easiest season Ole will ever get to qualify for the CL, he needs to take that opportunity.
Squad looking much better, rebuild going well currently.
It would comfortably be above my expectations for what I expected last summer and most of the season in truth. A long way to go, and I still don't think we'll get top 4, but there's hope, and there's not been much of that on here recently.
Yeah, and Jose bought in the same position 2 times, almost 3.
Another effect of Ole’s (and others) recruitment is that the board will be more confident and risk-willing for his next targets.
Just because they see that his signing work and that they go into the team enhancing it, thereby increasing the chance of the team performing better.
Other than that, in these last 9 games 5 of them is against lesser sides that we should beat any day of the week. Yea, its still a good performance to not slip up, but if we’re not getting at least 4-5 points from the next 3 PL we’re more or less back to square one regarding Ole in my eyes.
I agree with you, but if we are playing badly and somehow qualify for CL and he stays,the problems with still persist next season.
A better better way to assess him is by how well the team has improved.
The discussions have become pointless because this argument works both ways. From the Ole Out viewpoint (mine), what you've said above has truth. But from the Ole In posters, any victory is all down to Ole's management and proof he's good enough - yet any defeat is nothing to do with Ole, it's simply because the players aren't good enough. He's absolved of blame constantly, likewise, some Ole Out posters refuse to credit him constantly.
Completely pointless I agree.
People using a spell with 3 shitty cup teams as "proof" of a corner turned is also nauseating. We've won 2 from 4 in the league since the January window closed and we have 2 very difficult games up next. With these games in mind we could quite easily end up doing the usual 2 wins, 2 draws, 2 loses in the period since signing Bruno, just as we have all season, or we could come out of the next couple of league games looking like we truly have turned a corner.
With that in mind I just think everyone should give it a rest until the end of April at the earliest, and then see where we are.
Exactly. Everyone around us could collapse and we could scrape into the top four while playing terribly. Or we could win two trophies and unluckily miss out on the top four on GD. You have to look at the overall context.
Reminds me of when we finished second under Mourinho. A good achievement on paper yet not many of us were sure we were on the right track.
I don't agree about the last part. People who are Ole in are usually arguing that United have been missing key players most of the season, and therefore had to play substandard players in important positions (Lingard, Pereira).
Which is why I’m confused so many are happy not to properly evaluate this and consider what’s best for next season.
I also think it would be pretty dumb of the board to say if you reach this target your safe and If you don’t you are not.
In May it’s a simple question. Can we do better.. if yes. Can we make improvements to do better.. if yes. Get it done!!
Letting Mourinho go into his third season was logical but not practical and we should have made the change.
Agreed, only I see more of the moaning from the 'Ole Out brigade' on this forum, and it doesn't add any objectivity to what is actually going on, good or bad.
I have to say, we look a-lot better lately. Our football has generally been quite good to watch bar the abysmal second half against Everton.
He must stay next season and continue what he is doing, BUT a CL spot for next season is a must.
Nevertheless, if we don't get a CL spot, even if we sack him that doesn't mean a CL spot, so I would be very careful, there is not a prove manager out there who we can rely can make us great again.
Ole is doing a good job - yes, he is a starter as a manager, but that might be a good thing for us if we give him time.
The football is better, the results vs the strong teams are good, so there is no point of not keeping him also for the next year.
Nevertheless, if we don't get a CL spot, even if we sack him that doesn't mean a CL spot, so I would be very careful, there is not a prove manager out there who we can rely can make us great again.
Ole is doing a good job - yes, he is a starter as a manager, but that might be a good thing for us if we give him time.
The football is better, the results vs the strong teams are good, so there is no point of not keeping him also for the next year.
Always Torn on the Ole in/Out situation
Off the pitch: The in/outs after his 1st 3 Transfer windows have been positive, summer looks like it'll further improve the squad, youth promotion has been good. The players seem far happier than before as well.
On the Pitch: Inconsistent overall (as most clubs this season) but as of right now. Good chance of Top 4, should progress to Quarter-finals in Europa without too much drama and a nice draw to make chance of Semi-Final of FA Cup. That along with a Semi-Final of the League Cup, narrowly losing to Man City over 2 legs, which is understandable.
- If United have a successful final 3 months of the season, it would be hard to argue Ole hasn't done a good job overall in his 18 months, considering the state of our squad and amount of work needed, morale within squad back in December 2018 and back at start of the season what we would have considered a a successful season.
Best Case Scenario:
Premier League - 3rd
Europa League - Winners
FA Cup - Winners
League Cup - Semi-Finals
You have to have a strong agenda to feel Ole deserves to be sacked. I'd argue either 4th or Winning Europa (but not both) & FA Cup Semi-Final would still represent a good season when looking back at our expectations back in August.
Off the pitch: The in/outs after his 1st 3 Transfer windows have been positive, summer looks like it'll further improve the squad, youth promotion has been good. The players seem far happier than before as well.
On the Pitch: Inconsistent overall (as most clubs this season) but as of right now. Good chance of Top 4, should progress to Quarter-finals in Europa without too much drama and a nice draw to make chance of Semi-Final of FA Cup. That along with a Semi-Final of the League Cup, narrowly losing to Man City over 2 legs, which is understandable.
- If United have a successful final 3 months of the season, it would be hard to argue Ole hasn't done a good job overall in his 18 months, considering the state of our squad and amount of work needed, morale within squad back in December 2018 and back at start of the season what we would have considered a a successful season.
Best Case Scenario:
Premier League - 3rd
Europa League - Winners
FA Cup - Winners
League Cup - Semi-Finals
You have to have a strong agenda to feel Ole deserves to be sacked. I'd argue either 4th or Winning Europa (but not both) & FA Cup Semi-Final would still represent a good season when looking back at our expectations back in August.
if we do sack him, bring in poch to coach the players and move ole upstairs as director of football. He has managed to do what NO other manager has done since SAF. Get rid of the deadwood and bring in youth/new signings which have complimented our playstyle and has instilled that 'United way' back into the squad/club/fans. DO NOT LET HIM LEAVE UNITED EVER. That is all.
Looks like there is good atmosphere at the club and since Burnley defeat we have done well. Signing player like Bruno must be the turning point.
Agreed, I think to add to the lesser teams. 4 of our last 9 games have also been Man City (A), Chelsea (A), Wolves (H), Everton (A) - Unbeaten in those and 3 clean sheets i think helps balance out the lesser teams we've played in that run. the next 3 games are key. Man City have a great recent record at Old Trafford and as much as we don't like it as of right now if we lose at weekend to them, its understandable in terms of squad quality. Spurs form + injuries we need to take advantage & punish them to take a big 3pts, Sheffield Utd at OT for as well as they've performed this season we should expect to win especially after the Everton, Man City & Spurs in a row run. 6pts would be a good total, 4 acceptable. 7 or 9 brilliant. Mathematically of course not but for momentum and morale 5pts maybe better than 6 as would mean we went unbeaten over those 3 games and took something from city (only to be disappointed by a draw vs spurs or shef)
For what it's worth, as an Ole Out poster, I'm actually starting to think we're going to finish in the top 4 and he'll still be here next season. I'm getting a good feeling about our run-in, to be honest. While I think we can do better, I've always said that if he gets top 4, he'll stay and I would accept that.
In that case, give him backing in the summer and see how the chips fall next season with higher expectations - which is only right for any manager given backing.
In that case, give him backing in the summer and see how the chips fall next season with higher expectations - which is only right for any manager given backing.
That's the problem I have on here, if we get 4 points from the next 3 league games, that's:
3 wins, 3 draws, 2 loses: 37.5% win-rate
In the league since Bruno and Ighalo arrived.
How is that "progress" in anyone's eyes? That's our season in a nutsell. We need to 100% beat Sheff United at home and we need a win in vs. either City or Spurs. That'd give us some great momentum and show genuine change is developing.
It's likely we'll keep him, miss out on say, Pochettino, then end up regretting it when he goes to another club and then we'll be stuck without any options
Essentially, I agree with you. But it works on both sides of the debate and is something I find pretty irritating.
If you pin it on Ole the poor results and performances so far. You have to also give him credit when it’s improved.
However there’s a massive contingent in here, where if it’s poor it’s not Ole’s fault, championship level squad, the board etc a wonder we’re not relegated. But when it’s good it’s 100% down to ole. Also Ole is only manager who can spend £200m on decent players. Jose was this ‘massive failure’ despite outperforming OGS by every metric so far.
It’s mind numbingly dumb, so if you are going to apply that criticism, apply it to both sides.
Hence why he should only be kept after a thorough review and tangible signs of genuine progress between 1st Feb (2nd window) and the end of the season.
Yeah, and this is exactly why feelings on the matter is so strong I think.
Pochettino is available and wants to come to United. But if we dont get him he will go somewhere else.
It makes the sack/no-sack decision so much harder. If Pochettino werent available, I think it would be easier to go with Ole another season, at least if he made CL.
Pretty much
If we are being objectively honest, our season mostly has been pretty poor, we're lucky the rest of the PL has been pretty poor as well, we've played absolutely trash in a lot of games, but we have played well in some against good opposition, I am Ole out, but I give him credit in some instances where we have done well. However, does anyone really think its a coincidence that, whilst we haven't really changed the way we play, we only look a little better now because Fernandes has come in, and not because Ole has all of a sudden had a stroke of genius at this point in the season?
And this is the difference between a big club, and a club that only thinks its big. Clubs like Barca, Real and Bayern wouldn't hesitate to get rid of Ole, even if he finished the season well all things considered, if they thought a better option was available. Where as we wanna hang about, dither and be romantic and sentimental.
The grass isn't always greener.
Solskjaer's done enough to earn some respect and time to show he's capable of rebuilding a team like United. All his signings look to have been solid buys from the club and there appears to be a mix of short, medium and long term planning which has been missing with recent appointments who've been looking to win a few trophies within their 3 year stints at the club.
I don't think we'll regret on missing out on someone like Pochettino, I don't think he'd even be that good for us long term, same applies for whatever flavour of the month, jean wearing, 30-something, German manager people are hyped about this week. It's pretty much given that all managers that succeed are given time and the club has agreed to build it's structure and culture around them. United manager's don't get that opportunity, they have to fit our culture otherwise they don't last long.
We've improved quite a bit lately, we don't look like the team I despised watching a few months ago, we are mostly decent to watch again, which was always my biggest problem with Ole. He deserves until the end of the season, I think.
I still don't think he's the man to take us forward, I'll still be really peeved if we keep him in the summer if there is a much better manager available (and we probably will) but right now this thread being bumped is a bit silly because he's turned it around (just) enough to be given til the end of the season, at least.
I still don't think he's the man to take us forward, I'll still be really peeved if we keep him in the summer if there is a much better manager available (and we probably will) but right now this thread being bumped is a bit silly because he's turned it around (just) enough to be given til the end of the season, at least.
You mean like we did with Van Gaal, or Moyes?
So is it the signing of new players that have caused our upturn in results? Surely that means the players were also responsible for our poor performances then? Or is it the players who are responsible for the good results and Ole's fault when we lose?
He’s done well considering the limited players he’s had to work with for the majority of the season. He’s earned another season after this one.
Could win 2 cups and get top 4 with Rashford and Pogba coming back
At the right time.
Could win 2 cups and get top 4 with Rashford and Pogba coming back
At the right time.
He was getting until the end of the season regardless.
I’d be surprised if he’s not the manager next season too.
I think we're all feeling pretty positive right now, and rightly so. Form is good, clean sheets, lots of goals, good performances from a lot of players, specifically Fernandes.
3 Points off 4th, into the final rounds of the EL and FA cup. It's all looking rosey but we can still finish the season in 6th with no silverware which would completely destroy and of the good will that's built up recently. I just hope we win something and get CL this season, we can be happy with that considering how inconsistent we've been.
While I agree with most of this, and you can see the lackings of the attacking play in many games - the common argument is that we've more or less played our best XI maybe 4 times.
Noone here should expect Solskjær to play good football with Lingard, Pereira and Mata as our offensive midfielders. Just look at Spurs how they have crashed and burned, pretty similiar to our bad spells before Fernandes came in.
That is also why is hard to make a sound judgement on the season. If we would be in the same position with Pogba, Rashford and Martial in most of the games, i'm pretty sure there would be alot less Ole-in's.
Would have only lost 1.
Since Bruno Arrived
Wolves (H) - Draw 0-0. Disappointing because home side but theyre a good side
Chelsea (A) - Win 2-0. Big Win
Watford (H) Win 3-0 - Expect to win. Havent been winning by that comfortable by that scoreline much in Prem in last 2/3 years.
Everton (A) Draw 1-1 - Win would have been nice but its a tough away game and a draw at Goodison is always possible, Everton in good form recently too
If we take 4pts from next 3
Man City (H) Lose. - Media will blow it up, fact is Man City are better than us right now. shouldn't go over board unless its a complete mauling.
Spur (A) Draw. - Would have liked to win due to Spurs Form/Injuries but its still a big 6 away game and sometimes you have to take a draw and move on
Sheffield Utd (H) Win - Back to winning ways.
Would be W3 D3 L1. Minimum 3 Clean sheets - 42.9% Win rate - Still not a statistically great win rate but aside from Watford, given the league table this season, that is a brutal 6 games to have in a 7 game run. To get out of win 1 defeat and still in the fight for 4th, is pretty good going considering how we felt after back-to-back defeats to Liverpool and Burnley 6 weeks ago before Bruno + Ighalo come in.
The real show of progress or lack of is our 6 league games after Shef Utd - the games we've come unstuck in too often this season. Brighton (A), Bournemouth (H), Villa (A), Southampton (H), Palace (A), West Ham (H).
Where i think we have improved recently is putting those lesser teams to the sword whilst keeping clean sheets. Games that we cant take any credit for winning BUT we've won more impressively and by scorelines which earlier in the season were scrapping (Astana Home, 1-1 Rochdale)
Tranmere 6-0
Watford 3-0
Brugge (1-1) but then 5-0 2nd Leg
Derby 3-0
This is all done whilst Rashford our top scorer, Pogba our top scorer/assists last season & McTominay (for half the games) have all been sidelined and would have starters had been fit.
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