I think your last paragraph says Utd looked to finally be on the right track this season, however, you want to possibly screw it all up because you want a new manager. You do understand the risk of bringing in a new manager? The wrong choice (like Moyes, LvG and Mou) and it could be 3 steps back next season.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I think your last paragraph says Utd looked to finally be on the right track this season, however, you want to possibly screw it all up because you want a new manager. You do understand the risk of bringing in a new manager? The wrong choice (like Moyes, LvG and Mou) and it could be 3 steps back next season.
Good solid result, I'm all the way 150% Ole out but we will see at the end of the season if Solskjaer keeps his job if we are in Europe by the end of it. It's well known that without top four the Glazers are trigger happy and this is the absolute perfect season for Ole to reach the minimum objective set by the superiors. We need to maintain the momentum, I don't care if you support the manager or not the club always comes first and winning will never be a bad thing no matter who is in charge.
About the quality of the squad or the manager?
No, seriously, the players are also entitled to the benefit of the doubt if the manager is to get a vote of confidence after every good result
Not at all for me personally. I was happy when he had his initial 15 game run and less enthuastic when everything took a nosedive since PSG. My overall stance since things started going really downhill was to let him see out the season and then bring in a better manager. This is still my overall stance, but quite natually if we consistently improve our perfomances and results on the pitch i'm more positive about him staying.
Nah - United turned down Haaland because of some absurd demands from Raiola - that is something all newspapers in Norway agree on
Good result. What you’d expect at home vs a team that’s 19th. Hopefully we can get CL football next year.
You do realise we support Man Utd, not Ole Gunner Solskjær FC.
Great week for us. Fair play to him. Still want him out by the end of the season. Nothing changed. It's not the first "great week" we had this season.
Whichever side of the argument people are on it’d be silly to switch over now.
How many corners have we apparently turned this season?
Let’s see how the next few games play out.
How many corners have we apparently turned this season?
Let’s see how the next few games play out.
Of course there’s a risk with any manager. Even with Klopp and Guardiola, there’s an element of risk... but what we can do is manage those risks. In our case, don’t go for completely contrasting appointments like possession based LVG to defensive but efficient Mourinho and giving both of them almost carte blanche on who they want.
God knows why they didn’t fully commit to Mourinho for transfers for 2018 (despite signing a new deal and signing Sanchez), but it feels like the penny dropped and they decided it wasn’t the way to go, but mishandled the situation and fallout entirely... but here we are now I guess
We‘re making fairly obvious signings to the point they might be signing made by some form of transfer committee within the club, as well as cheap, low risk British signings like James. These are signings that probably most managers would be happy with. They aren’t marquee names who could potentially undermine new managers.
At the moment, Pochettino seems like the front runner since his MO in England has been working with young, British players and developing them (a system which worked well for Utd previously under SAF) and play attractive, attacking football. There are some left field options like Nagelsmann and Rose who present a higher risk since they have no experience on these shores, but have been exemplarly in Germany.
Something which I think does help alleviate such risks is having a DoF system in place, which would allow the club to be autonomous in how it runs despite the on field stuff or if a manager isn't doing well. At the moment, it feels like Utd are still stuck in the old regime where ‘Manager is king’ (worked for so long because SAF is a GOAT manager) which does present risks with manager turnaround. The manager shouldn’t be the king anymore because football has evolved since that time and there are no managers like SAF or Wenger anymore. At the highest level in club football, there should be a handful of people running the big clubs and what used to be the manager is now just the first team head coach.
Over 50% wants to sack him ASAP? 
That's a balanced, logical and fair approach to take for sure.
I'm talking more about the ones who just can't wait for the first opportunity to stick the knife in every single week. Matchday threads are always full of negativity even before a ball is kicked. Martial shut the haters down....again! So yeah the Ole out crew must be pissed right now....even though we've won.
A modern manager should be getting them playing as a cohesive attacking unit, rather than relying on individual brilliance.
Regardless of the quality of player he's still relying on them to create something out of nothing. This isn't good enough at the highest level, hence the criticism.
Yeah, we're 3 points behind 4th with 11 games remaining, there is no way he's getting sacked now.
We have several players returning from injury, along with the additions of Bruno (who seems to have settled in quickly) and Ighalo, so there's every reason to believe we'll claim a CL spot.
What do people think about Ole staying on the for the following season if he gets us CL football?
This makes no sense. There are very few supporters who aren't happy when the team wins regardless of whether they think the managers up to the job or not.
I'd still like a DoF and a top manager come in.
I like Ole and was hopeful he would do well but I don't think he'll ever be good enough to challenge for a title or win the CL.
If he stays on I think the team will continue to under-achieve, regardless of how much money they throw at it.
With a better squad he could have us in or around the top 4 and that'll probably be enough for the Glazers unfortunately.
Yes. For me, this thread could be closed, and reopened in May.
I agree entirely. Also what gets overlooked about Ole is his record in big games. This shouldn't be overlooked. Moyes always had a poor record in crunch games and Poch's record is also questionable. In his time with us however, Ole's record against the other big teams has been good overall, including doing the double at the Etihad this season.
If we just signed a player of say Hazards quality in the summer, I would expect to challenge for the title.
We are on a good run, anyway, 4 wins and 2 draws in the last six, included strong away wins against City and Chelsea.
In great spells, we still look like a disjoint team in attack though, but the relation between the players (i.e. Fernandes) will get better as they get more time together.
In great spells, we still look like a disjoint team in attack though, but the relation between the players (i.e. Fernandes) will get better as they get more time together.
Aye, United fans always get pissed off when we win.
I bet if Ole wins the double next year that would piss anyone who doubted him right off.
Grealish + Sancho + a striker + getting Rashford back + Liverpool struggling to recreate success (ala City this season). I would at least expect us being a contender for the title and safe inside top 4.
How many times have fans (not just United fans) said they would take an L if it guaranteed a manager sacking? I'm pretty sure and I'm even willing to bet that a lot of fans on here would welcome a dismal streak if it meant that Ole was shown the door as soon as possible. They may not openly admit it, which goes back to my original point about them being pissed off right now. They have nowhere to vent if we keep on winning. But you just watch all the Ole threads next time we lose a game.
Agreed. He's had a good week though to be fair, and I can see that continuing against Bruges so if he can actually show consistency and up his game we could make top 4. If we do, I've said for a while, I'd reconsider my stance on whether he should stay. Let's see how he gets on now we've got a couple of better options for the first team.
Good for you.
Seeing this thread makes me understand how much short term memory people have. Just imagine how the team was with Valencia, Lukaku, Fellaini, Darmian etc. There is some hope now - McTominay, Greenwood, Rashford, Martial, Fred, Brandon, and even Matic, . Good football that we can watch. Of course, there are still more people to get rid off but this is not Football Manager where we can replace an entire team in one transfer window. As long as there is progress every 6 months, the team is heading in the right direction. We might not be there or moving as fast as we would like to but we are in that direction.
Proud of yourself?!
Still want him gone. Utterly horrendous in the first half today but much better in the second. Tbf it's been a good week and if we find some consistency and finish the season strong, I'll certainly reevaluate but we shall see. Think he needs to to drop James asap though.
Exactly, it would be pure kneejerk.
Our point tally is still abysmal. Let's talk about challenging for the league when we are not about 40 points behind them this season.
Every week I have a pop at Martial about his lack of effectiveness in the central strikers role, only for him to score a worldie mere moments later.
I'm getting sick of it.
No defenders needed? How about a defensive midfielder? Do we get another CM, to cover for pogba loss as well as covering playing time that we will be missing when Jesse and Pereira are moved on?
He dropped Andreas and Jesse and this is fantastic. Looks like he wants rid of them as they are truly useless.
We can't drop every player as we have no one else. Hopefully both will be dropped for the rest of the season in the league and get top four.
Yea we have Greenwood but he is 18, can't expect him to start week in, week out.
James is better than Mata on the wings. He played better today on the left which is his natural posisiton.
James does need replacing in the summer though.
So in the Summer we need two midfielders when Pogba moves on and probably Matic as well.
Leaves with Fred, Scott, Bruno but need two more.
A world class right winger is a must and a CF.
How likely is five signings though? Possibly one squad player CM and a world class one?
Werner and Sancho with the Pogba money? along with 60 million probably.
I'd be happy with that in the Summer. Our defense isn't as bad as people are making out.
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Keep on shitting on him mate, every little helps in our final 20 games
I don't get this huge fascination with Poch. Is he a upgrade on Ole then yeah but he's won absolutely nothing he has bottled it in so many huge games .
If he comes into our club I will support him I just won't be touching myself with joy if he does
I know we need a bigger squad but what's the point in getting Werner if we buy Sancho? One or the other.
Totally agree with this . This is the view of a vast number of match goers that I talk with . We can see a big improvement in our style of play . Yeah we have some way to go but this will take time .
Ole has got rid of alot of the players us fans have wanted gone . In the summer if we can move on Pogba , Lingard , Jones and one or two others and we can buy as well as we have this season then I'm sure next season will be better again .
We see what he's doing for our club. I'm not sure if he will be our manager next season but like I've said on numerous occasions whoever takes over from Ole will be getting a far better squad and a far happier squad than he took over and for that alone he will have done a super job in bringing us somewhat closer to where we want to be
I think he has been quietly getting on with his job, which is improving the team, and to me it feels like he is getting better. The touch line picture of tapping his head to the players to think, and the previous outburst to Lingard from another game, shows that he does have a mean streak behind the scenes, but, like a good man manger, he has not thrown anyone under the bus.
He seems to have a plan and does deserve more time, and you can see the players have improved under him and they all seem to be playing for him.
He seems to have a plan and does deserve more time, and you can see the players have improved under him and they all seem to be playing for him.
Over 50% wants to sack him ASAP?
Willing to bet all those votes came after (insert bad result) when tempers were flaring high
Redcafe is nothing if it's not reactive. No football fan is capable of thinking long term, we all get swept away by the odd bad result
I remember thinking I wanted Alex Ferguson gone and replaced by Martin o'Neill in the mid 2000's and it wasn't an unpopular opinion at the time, we had Bellion and Djemba Djemba and Fortune in the worst United line ups I've seen.
Thank god I'm not a CEO because I was every bit as knee jerky as anyone else. And thank god redcafe has no influence in that regard as well!!!
I wish there was some way where you could guarantee that the likes of Sancho, Grealish, Maddison and any of those players who'd obviously make us better on individual brilliance alone, would definitely be here for the next season at this moment... then I would potentially give OGS more time and if the results are still inconsistent and the style of play remains the reliant on basic counter-attack come Christmas 2020 then surely everyone will understand that he'd need to go. You can't move the goalposts any more beyond that...
If he gets another 3-4 of those realistic, good on paper signings which brings up his bought player count to 7-8 and he's still struggling to get us into Top 4 and playing unstructured football then it's clearly not going to work.
Unfortunately that scenario is not possible because who knows whether that scenario is reliant on us getting Champions League football next season, or OGS being able to convince them to come here.
If he gets another 3-4 of those realistic, good on paper signings which brings up his bought player count to 7-8 and he's still struggling to get us into Top 4 and playing unstructured football then it's clearly not going to work.
Unfortunately that scenario is not possible because who knows whether that scenario is reliant on us getting Champions League football next season, or OGS being able to convince them to come here.
Spot on. We defiantly will be looking back at this period where we started going on a upward trajectory
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