This is all very well but why are you spelling Maguire like that?
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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This is all very well but why are you spelling Maguire like that?
When Ole is sacked, I hope the Brexit FC idea is also sacked. I hope Gary Neville, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs stop trying to lay the blame on the few star players we have. And more than anything, forget about having another ex-player or another manager coming here and playing the same style that SAF used to play. We need to accept that any competent manager we hire will have their own playing style to bring. I don’t think we will find another SAF, he was a one-off genius.
It has been so many bad decisions by Ole since summer and so many signs. Signs that telling United are on a bad path. A young Sir Alex i would give him time. But not Ole. Sir Alex had everything, even he struggled in the early years. But his character and top leadership abilities and management were clearly.
Ole is so laid back, just sitting there. The enthusiasm from Sir Alex, Klopp and Pep. The two E. The enthusiasm and energy spreading to the players and whole stadium.
Klopp‘s energy and enthusiasm were just made and meant for the Kop. A match. Same as for United golden generation from the 90’s. There energy, drive, enthusiasm and engine have to be there. Ole and his laidback and quiet coaching staff is lacking. That’s what the new Watford manager had brought back. Same as Big Dunc for Everton.
Ole has enthusiasm in the beginning, but it just faded out. Then really quiet in the last.
And that is what Arteta trying to do with Arsenal. Collective press/aggressiveness, engine, drive and enthusiasm. Put yourself to the max and playing on the front foot.
And back to Ole. Top 4 this season is over due to the quality of this current XI starter and squad. If United manage to get Bruno and Jude Bellingham. It might help a bit. But I don’t see any improvement of players. From what I observed. Bissaka was better in attack for Palace last season. Defensively he is the same, but going forward and pass players. He has going backwards.
And like i said. There has been so many bad signs with Ole as manager. Bad luck use to goes with poor teams and managers in trouble. And I don’t see Ole as a big big manager in the future. For this size of United. It get to be the size of leaders like Sir Alex and Sir Matt Busby. With those. Big players will come with them and find theirs way to Old Trafford. Like Cantona. First to Leeds , then to United.
Big leaders = Big and best players. Theirs go hand in hand.
But it’s clearly and i have post many times. Woodward has to step down from CEO of football. A message to the owner. If they want to become successful and club value and income trough football side doesnt drop. Last advice and recommendations to the Glazer and owner in short words:
+ Woodward move from CEO of the club to CEO of marketing only. From 02.Feb.20
+ Appoint Edwin Van Der Sar as CEO of football from 2.Feb.20 or soon as possible
+ End Ole contract ASAP
+ Appoint Nicky Butt as interim manager for rest of the season. Then the CEO of football decide and evaluates Nicky Butt or in need for a new manager
+ Extern solutions: transfer in this January. 7-8 days left if possible:
- Bruno Fernandes nr.8&10
- Jude Bellingham nr.8, box to box cm
- Kristoffer Olsson from Krasnodar nr.8 & 6
- Federico Chiesa RW/LW/CAM. Explosive, flexibility and a determination attacking player. Difficult due to the time left.
Try to get those 4 players. To look as a much better team at the end of season. And might enough help to win European league cup = ch.league football next season. Become a really good team. To helping to attract the best players in the summer like Sancho.
+ Set up line up with new players.
Chiesa - Olsson/Bellingham/Pogba - McTom/Fred/Matic - Chiesa/Rashford/Martial/James +
Bruno/Chiesa/Greenwood - Martial/Rashford/Bruno
Sum up and conclusion. If the owner don’t do anything with removing Woodward to CeO of marketing only and stay away from football side. Then it will be big chance that United keep sacking the managers in the years to come. Because i doubt Woodward has the ability to evaluate football managers decisions and work. If it was a lucky win or not. Like against PSG. Most neutral football fans would see United win against PSG was a lucky win. Woodward saw the difference. Then handed Ole the permanent job right after the last away game against PSG. Herrera got injured after PSG. United had no aggressive hard working ball winner.
This year McTom has helps some. But without him. You can see the same problem and struggling again.
And in the end. Woodward appointed Ole really quick after Mourinho sacking. He should appoint Nicky Butt, who has been in the clubs for many years. Example, you don’t go out and find a new girlfriend. Right after you just dumped your last girlfriend. Same as managers. What easy comes will easy goes. What comes fast will goes fast. Take your time, reflect and try to figure out what you look in a managers and girlfriend. Woodward too rush and to sentimental in the appointing of Ole. Look like a lover romance. Gave you the enthusiasm quickly back, but fade out really quick.
So that are reasons I don’t want Woodward nothing to do, to the football side of the club. He is good to make sponsors and marketing. So he should get credit for it. But football decisions and evaluation. Sorry thumbs down for it. And nothing against Woodward in person. Just football disagreements and different view on how things shall do. In general life, outside the football world. I don’t know him in person. But is a great man and human. You have to apart those two things. Even you do a poor job in football related things. It doesn’t mean you are a poor person at the same time. So just constructive critics towards Woodward and Ole. Nothing personal.
Best wishes...for the sinking ship Manchester United FC. Landing Bruno, Bellingham, Kristoffer Olsson and Federico Chiesa in January might help
...Got all of them 4 will help. I m sure of that. But only 8/9 days left. You better hurry up. No ch.league is lesser money and lesser attractive...the negative sides of no ch.league football.
Ole is so laid back, just sitting there. The enthusiasm from Sir Alex, Klopp and Pep. The two E. The enthusiasm and energy spreading to the players and whole stadium.
Klopp‘s energy and enthusiasm were just made and meant for the Kop. A match. Same as for United golden generation from the 90’s. There energy, drive, enthusiasm and engine have to be there. Ole and his laidback and quiet coaching staff is lacking. That’s what the new Watford manager had brought back. Same as Big Dunc for Everton.
Ole has enthusiasm in the beginning, but it just faded out. Then really quiet in the last.
And that is what Arteta trying to do with Arsenal. Collective press/aggressiveness, engine, drive and enthusiasm. Put yourself to the max and playing on the front foot.
And back to Ole. Top 4 this season is over due to the quality of this current XI starter and squad. If United manage to get Bruno and Jude Bellingham. It might help a bit. But I don’t see any improvement of players. From what I observed. Bissaka was better in attack for Palace last season. Defensively he is the same, but going forward and pass players. He has going backwards.
And like i said. There has been so many bad signs with Ole as manager. Bad luck use to goes with poor teams and managers in trouble. And I don’t see Ole as a big big manager in the future. For this size of United. It get to be the size of leaders like Sir Alex and Sir Matt Busby. With those. Big players will come with them and find theirs way to Old Trafford. Like Cantona. First to Leeds , then to United.
Big leaders = Big and best players. Theirs go hand in hand.
But it’s clearly and i have post many times. Woodward has to step down from CEO of football. A message to the owner. If they want to become successful and club value and income trough football side doesnt drop. Last advice and recommendations to the Glazer and owner in short words:
+ Woodward move from CEO of the club to CEO of marketing only. From 02.Feb.20
+ Appoint Edwin Van Der Sar as CEO of football from 2.Feb.20 or soon as possible
+ End Ole contract ASAP
+ Appoint Nicky Butt as interim manager for rest of the season. Then the CEO of football decide and evaluates Nicky Butt or in need for a new manager
+ Extern solutions: transfer in this January. 7-8 days left if possible:
- Bruno Fernandes nr.8&10
- Jude Bellingham nr.8, box to box cm
- Kristoffer Olsson from Krasnodar nr.8 & 6
- Federico Chiesa RW/LW/CAM. Explosive, flexibility and a determination attacking player. Difficult due to the time left.
Try to get those 4 players. To look as a much better team at the end of season. And might enough help to win European league cup = ch.league football next season. Become a really good team. To helping to attract the best players in the summer like Sancho.
+ Set up line up with new players.
Chiesa - Olsson/Bellingham/Pogba - McTom/Fred/Matic - Chiesa/Rashford/Martial/James +
Bruno/Chiesa/Greenwood - Martial/Rashford/Bruno
Sum up and conclusion. If the owner don’t do anything with removing Woodward to CeO of marketing only and stay away from football side. Then it will be big chance that United keep sacking the managers in the years to come. Because i doubt Woodward has the ability to evaluate football managers decisions and work. If it was a lucky win or not. Like against PSG. Most neutral football fans would see United win against PSG was a lucky win. Woodward saw the difference. Then handed Ole the permanent job right after the last away game against PSG. Herrera got injured after PSG. United had no aggressive hard working ball winner.
This year McTom has helps some. But without him. You can see the same problem and struggling again.
And in the end. Woodward appointed Ole really quick after Mourinho sacking. He should appoint Nicky Butt, who has been in the clubs for many years. Example, you don’t go out and find a new girlfriend. Right after you just dumped your last girlfriend. Same as managers. What easy comes will easy goes. What comes fast will goes fast. Take your time, reflect and try to figure out what you look in a managers and girlfriend. Woodward too rush and to sentimental in the appointing of Ole. Look like a lover romance. Gave you the enthusiasm quickly back, but fade out really quick.
So that are reasons I don’t want Woodward nothing to do, to the football side of the club. He is good to make sponsors and marketing. So he should get credit for it. But football decisions and evaluation. Sorry thumbs down for it. And nothing against Woodward in person. Just football disagreements and different view on how things shall do. In general life, outside the football world. I don’t know him in person. But is a great man and human. You have to apart those two things. Even you do a poor job in football related things. It doesn’t mean you are a poor person at the same time. So just constructive critics towards Woodward and Ole. Nothing personal.
Best wishes...for the sinking ship Manchester United FC. Landing Bruno, Bellingham, Kristoffer Olsson and Federico Chiesa in January might help
...Got all of them 4 will help. I m sure of that. But only 8/9 days left. You better hurry up. No ch.league is lesser money and lesser attractive...the negative sides of no ch.league football.I don't recall Edwards/Gill stopping SAF from selling Ince, Kanchelskis and Hughes that summer, or Beckham or Ruud and several others over the years. In a non DoF structured club, that is the remit of the manager.
As the footballing expert at the club, I would back my manager. Given Mourinho was demonstrating upwards trajectory progress, and Woodward is not a better footballing expert than him, yes, if that's what Mourinho wanted, Woodward has to give it to him.
My personal views on the matter count for nothing!
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I hadn't actually taken the time yet to properly learn. Thats for pointing out!Well I'd be quite happy with another tenure like Mourinho's at this point in time if that's on the table! I'll take a Europa League, a Carabao Cup and one 80 point season before a big fallout with Ed and a plummet down the table.
I'd assume that you don't think that's even possible now because more and more and more damage is being done by Woodward the longer he stays, and such things are now too much to wish for? If so, I get that but as a fan I want to have some hope. I can't give up. Maybe if not all that then just one domestic cup win or a top 4 finish? I'd have more hope in others achieving that than Ole.
Suppose there's 3 positions surrounding this kind of thing:
1. Appoint someone who gives us (or some of us) hope that we can do something/anything even with Ed running things. I still have that hope alive in me.
2. Hope is dead, doesn't really matter who the manager is, changing him isn't going to fix what is fundamentally wrong at the club.
3. It might be better longer term to crash burn. Option 1 with some small success could just paper over cracks, major failure might just shake us into action when it comes to the structure of the club.
Number 3 is a big gamble for me as it (the changes) might never happen and as some hope is still there for me it's got be 1. Appreciate that not everyone will draw the same conclusion though.
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Rancid manager
I agree that things have worsened in the last month, but I'm still not sure what the alternatives are. Allegri and Pochettino are understandably cautious about their next moves and have reportedly made it clear in private that they do not wish to take over any club mid-season. It has also been reported that there would be a financial penalty associated with Pochettino taking a job at any English club, prior to the summer.
Who does that leave us with - most likely another interim. Blanc perhaps? Or, more likely, Carrick.
54% now. Oof
I have fixed it for you.
If the club is rancid why didn't I hear these same excuses when Mourinho, Moyes and LVG were in charge ?
Should we just give the managerial job to some form of artificial intelligence like SIRI to subsidize any criticism because the club is supposedly bad enough to warrant no blame on the manager.
The league position reflects all those. Though we are 5 right now but only 4 point away from 10th. We're just one Fred or Martial away from being an disaster. That's how close it is
The whole Brexit FC is stupid and Ole is to blame for that. I could condone the fact that we didn't need to replace Lukaku because Rashford and Martial are both somewhat competent but we sold Herrera and Fellaini, his only ideal replacement were fecking Longstaff, like seriously? Woodward is a clown when it comes to transfer but it's not like manager makes the job easier for everyone either.
I really don't get it. Why we always put all eggs in one basket like this
I can’t belive no one is factoring in the amount of injuries we have had to crucial players this season in their assessment of Ole. I am sure they have absolutely nothing to do with our current form.
If we were performing like this with everybody available, I would understand the scathing criticism coming from seemingly everybody. But at the moment we have crucial players missing and many games on the schedule.
Ole needs players. He hasn’t been brilliant so far, but I think most managers would struggle to get the team scoring freely whilst relying on the likes of Pereira and Lingard. Besides, we have much bigger problems that I would rather we attend to first.
If we were performing like this with everybody available, I would understand the scathing criticism coming from seemingly everybody. But at the moment we have crucial players missing and many games on the schedule.
Ole needs players. He hasn’t been brilliant so far, but I think most managers would struggle to get the team scoring freely whilst relying on the likes of Pereira and Lingard. Besides, we have much bigger problems that I would rather we attend to first.
What about the back end of last season, when we failed to win our last 5 games, only to end it with a 0-2 home loss to fecking Cardiff. Didn’t he have Pogba available then, along with Rashford?
Who exactly does he need to have available or sign to at least get a draw vs the likes of Burnley, Cardiff and Watford, it’s ridiculous we’re even having this conversation regarding a Manchester United manager.
I wish I had his level of job security.
He is the one who culled the squad. If the idiot on top Woodward is not giving him a budget to buy some players then he should agitate and leave. No, he has self interest and he would not walk away and he will drag the club down.
This is another reason we need a top class manager. Players are going to be put off joining as the club is going nowhere.
That sounds like a terrible idea. I like Keane, legend, all time great but he's not cut out for management.
According to Ole, we dropped off last season because the players were not fit enough to play how he wanted to play so their levels dropped off as the season went along.
I don’t think we lose against Burnley with Bruno Fernandes playing instead of Pereira. But to answer your question, if we had strengthened in midfield, we wouldn’t have missed Pogba as much as we have. If we had replaced Sanchez and Lukaku with another forward, we wouldn’t have missed Martial and we wouldn’t be missing Rashford right now.
At the moment, with our injuries we don’t have anyone capable of consistently breaking down teams that play defensively. That has to be down to player recruitment.
He said that he would get rid of everyone who didn’t need want to be here, which I completely agree with (that is why most united fans want to see Pogba sold).
I don’t think Ole would ever agitate for a move given his obvious love for the club and I don’t think that it is the case that he is dragging the club down. That dishonour has to go to the executive vice cretin himself, who can obviously tolerate more failure than most normally developed egos. I honestly don’t know how he sleeps at night given the amount of loathing he must live under.
He should not be involved in a popularity contest. He should have ignored what the fans want and get a team in place. He is not a proper manager if he is scared of fans. His job is to deliver on the pitch and he has not delivered but failed miserably.
Im sure all those 46% Ole ins are mostly newbies that just voted and havent come back to the forum again.
theres no way the opinion in this forum is even, besides maybe 30 posters all the forum is quite unanimous on the fact that Ole should go right away.
theres no way the opinion in this forum is even, besides maybe 30 posters all the forum is quite unanimous on the fact that Ole should go right away.
With Rashford gone for months, we don't have a single forward who is good enough to carry us at times.
We're in deep crap. We need a new CEO, a new manager and a new DOF.
We're in deep crap. We need a new CEO, a new manager and a new DOF.
Just a couple of tweets to illustrate how out of depth Ole is and how Woodward stands by while someone like arsenal took action.
Is it true that the players were jeered off at half time and again at full time? Also the stadium emptied with five minutes to play? Couldn't catch the game. Read this on the BBC website.
It is true and both Rio and Scholes also highlighted the fact. They said they have never seen this before. Both have said the team is good enough to beat Burnley but the players have no clue how to do it. To make matters worse we have conceded the highest number of goals from set pieces. This is a shame.
Yes a chorus of boos at full time after the loud cheers from the Burnley faithful which probably outnumbered the United fans at the end.
Thanks. Just read Rio's comments too. He clearly says the ground started emptying after 84 mins. Unbelievable.
Such a thin squad is unprecedented at a club of size man utd. This is monumental fked up we were able to achieve in last 12 months.
Hopefully people now see Ole is not good enough. But I do agree with the notion that managers will find it hard to succeed with this team but that is only if they don't get the support or backing required.
Is Ole getting that right now? Well he was given 150m to spend in the summer, 55m more than what Leceister spent and 150m more than what Chelsea got. I believe he could have done better with the money. We could have gotten Ziyech and Bruno for the Maguire money while signing AWB and James, kept Smalling and the squad would instantly look better than what Leceister and Chelsea have.
That said. You look at the 150m budget and the 70m netspend and it's actually comparable to how Liverpool went about carrying their rebuild. Ole also talks about how he's waiting for the right players and he has the backing. So these are also factors to consider on why we haven't spent much.
Howvever I'm sure Ed isn't backing Ole enough but I'm also sure the money allocated to Ole in the summer would have been spent much better under a better manager
Is Ole getting that right now? Well he was given 150m to spend in the summer, 55m more than what Leceister spent and 150m more than what Chelsea got. I believe he could have done better with the money. We could have gotten Ziyech and Bruno for the Maguire money while signing AWB and James, kept Smalling and the squad would instantly look better than what Leceister and Chelsea have.
That said. You look at the 150m budget and the 70m netspend and it's actually comparable to how Liverpool went about carrying their rebuild. Ole also talks about how he's waiting for the right players and he has the backing. So these are also factors to consider on why we haven't spent much.
Howvever I'm sure Ed isn't backing Ole enough but I'm also sure the money allocated to Ole in the summer would have been spent much better under a better manager
truth is would you really trust him with any sort of decent cattle
he cant even manage this squad
pogba best performance was in a hospital bed , luke shaw warms up with a hat on , rashford played with stress fractures ....these players do as they please
When we didn't score a single goal from open play in September, it was all about martial injury.
After that it was because of pogbas injury
Now, it's all because if rashfords injury.
The simple truth is that, he is not good enough, injuries or not.
After that it was because of pogbas injury
Now, it's all because if rashfords injury.
The simple truth is that, he is not good enough, injuries or not.
We never signed just Ole, we signed him and his big team of cheerleaders. For past 16 months, his footballing friends have corrupted many fans and that's the sole reason why he has remained in this job. He didn't get the job on his own ability, but on references from his friends and, they also deserve some blame.
We have pogba and martial, any better?
Pogba not giving a flying feck and martial is being a bottler
Oh look, the flakes are out in force, what a friggin surprise.
It's funny to see someone who thinks they are seeing the whole picture by transferring the blame to Woodward. I guess no one here is satisfied with Woodward, problem is whether Ole is doing his job competently.
I see someone pointing out the structural problem for us, but the ultimate problem comes from the lack of ambition from the owners. This has easily been reflected from the transfer activities and rumors over the past few years. It is obvious that they care about revenue more than results. They just want to stay in the top 4 with minimal input, whether we can win titles is irrelevant.
Understanding the above concept, you will know Woodward is just a puppet of Glazers and he is doing an excellent job in terms of that. As far as he can earn money and deal with sponsorships, I don't see a single reason why the board would get rid of him. If you think the problem will be gone along with Woodward, I'm sorry to say you are just oversimplifying the problem.
Under these circumstances, even a director of football doesn't necessarily help. Everton hired Leicester's scout Walsh as DoF a few years ago, who was so-called the unsung architect for Leicester's title winning season. Needless to say, Everton had a terrible transfer window and he departed not long later. Again, considering the lack of ambition from the owners, I don't think a DoF can do much for us, other than creating more chaos and mess among the board, Woodward, the DoF and the manager.
It's obvious that the owners wouldn't be gone in the foreseeable future, not even in previous Glazers-out campaigns, so what could a manager possibly do? Yes it is definitely a difficult job, picking up an average squad while fans expect so much and the boss has no ambition. The manager has to play 200% of players' ability, get consistent results with limited resources, spot talents with cheap price, etc. When you display some sorts of managerial ability, the board may possibly gain trust in you and give you more control including the transfer market. It has become more understandable why Fergie picked Moyes in 2013, given his record at Everton. I don't want to go off-topic too much to mention other managers, but Ole certainly doesn't look the right man to do the job for me.
I see someone pointing out the structural problem for us, but the ultimate problem comes from the lack of ambition from the owners. This has easily been reflected from the transfer activities and rumors over the past few years. It is obvious that they care about revenue more than results. They just want to stay in the top 4 with minimal input, whether we can win titles is irrelevant.
Understanding the above concept, you will know Woodward is just a puppet of Glazers and he is doing an excellent job in terms of that. As far as he can earn money and deal with sponsorships, I don't see a single reason why the board would get rid of him. If you think the problem will be gone along with Woodward, I'm sorry to say you are just oversimplifying the problem.
Under these circumstances, even a director of football doesn't necessarily help. Everton hired Leicester's scout Walsh as DoF a few years ago, who was so-called the unsung architect for Leicester's title winning season. Needless to say, Everton had a terrible transfer window and he departed not long later. Again, considering the lack of ambition from the owners, I don't think a DoF can do much for us, other than creating more chaos and mess among the board, Woodward, the DoF and the manager.
It's obvious that the owners wouldn't be gone in the foreseeable future, not even in previous Glazers-out campaigns, so what could a manager possibly do? Yes it is definitely a difficult job, picking up an average squad while fans expect so much and the boss has no ambition. The manager has to play 200% of players' ability, get consistent results with limited resources, spot talents with cheap price, etc. When you display some sorts of managerial ability, the board may possibly gain trust in you and give you more control including the transfer market. It has become more understandable why Fergie picked Moyes in 2013, given his record at Everton. I don't want to go off-topic too much to mention other managers, but Ole certainly doesn't look the right man to do the job for me.
The Glazers might lack ambition but things could be handled far better then they are being handled. For example we spent 130m last summer on a slow CB whose decent but not WC and a fullback that isn't really good in attacking. Surely we could have found cheaper options and then went on strengthening the non existent CM. Also coaching has been terrible. Our defensive record against set pieces is laughable, players are constantly getting injured or run to the ground until they pick serious injuries (Pogba and Rashy) while others are shit with US, they go elsewhere and become brutally effective (Smalling and Lukaku). Let's not shift all the blame on one person. I think the Glazers are at fault but both Ole and Woody should be doing better.
Go on then, and apologies if you have elsewhere, numerous times, but gives us the names of a RB, CB and Midfielder that could've been signed for the £130m instead of AWB and Maguire.
I'll give you Elseid Hysaj
finally changed my vote
sack
love ole but if we are going to come back it will have to be with someone else
sack
love ole but if we are going to come back it will have to be with someone else
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