Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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We are long past the iceberg-hitting stage though. It would be like getting a new captain to oversee the dramatic final minutes of the Titanic as it disappeared beneath the water forever.
I won't lie, that's funny.
Still if the Titanic had a different captain, they likely don't hit the iceberg. Or they do, but they would have been fully prepared - considering the actual captain cancelled the lifeboat drill that day for no reason.
It's been obvious for months he's useless. He's completely out of his depth and there has been zero progression in our play since he took over. Whilst he isn't the only problem he's a major one. Would be delighted if he was sacked
This entire question/thread is a red herring.
Despite spending over £1.5billion on transfer fees and wages for new players post SAF, no manager has managed to challenge for the league title.
OGS might not be the right candidate but changing him right now achieves nothing. Any new manager will face exactly the same issues and fail for exactly the same reasons.
Dont see any point in losing OGS until the structure is changed around him.
Despite spending over £1.5billion on transfer fees and wages for new players post SAF, no manager has managed to challenge for the league title.
OGS might not be the right candidate but changing him right now achieves nothing. Any new manager will face exactly the same issues and fail for exactly the same reasons.
Dont see any point in losing OGS until the structure is changed around him.
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If they sack Ole, whole coaching stuff should be cleaned too, heck even beyond that, after that turn on Glazers and EW, if match going fans let them off the hook in this scenario then feck it.
What reasons are those for constant manager failure besides the managers themselves not being good enough to challenge for league titles?
They all get backed(relatively) and once they start failing, backing subsides until the eventual sacking?
Phelan isn’t really involved though is he, we’ve allowed him to take some weird side step and let Carrick and McKenna be Ole’s assistant , mikes just scouting players and putting cones out by the looks of it
Mate the people you are talking about are shite as their jobs except for ‘playing’ football.
How do you expect us to be great again but keep demanding mediocrity. Do you want us to sign mediocre players? I think not.
I think Norwegians are like that though, all Norwegians seem to support him no matter what ,very patriotic unlike us.
Until they scored, I felt this was a game we were winning. We can't have watched the same game. Burnley didn't let us have the ball and sat deep, they actually pushed out high, and set a high defensive line. They even kept chasing us so DDG had to play "long" to Matic and Fred. DDG sent in to Matic and Fred 14 times today. DDG to Maguire, Jones, AWB and Williams got 7 passes in total from DDG. And we prefer playing it out short. The fact that Burnley set a high defensive line, pushed up for us, should give more room for players like Pereira, Mata, and James. Burnley didn't fear them, and rightly so. Pereira doesn't contribute more than JLings, and JLings is currently known as a joke formerly known as a footballer.
We're not coached terribly defensively. In goals against from open play, we're the 2nd best team in the league, with 14 goals against. Liverpool is better with 9 goals against. It's a fact that we're shit defending against set-pieces. We got 10 goals against. The only team worse than us is Everton with 11. Norwich, Villa, Arsenal and we got 10 goals against on set-pieces. I don't feel we've had the full Maguire experience on set-pieces that we thought we paid for.
I'm not happy with the performance or the result. Unless we bring in two good players this window, I don't see us saving that 4th spot, and I'm guessing Ole will be sacked by the end of this season. I don't believe any manager coming in will make us good enough to compete with City and Liverpool for the next 4-5 years. Our current owners are happy as long as we still make money. Any manager who can secure that CL-play is a good enough manager for Glazers. Glazers don't care about football. Or they might care about football (Tampa Bay), but soccer seems to be just another investing.
What problems? Is the club making the team selections? Telling players to play with broken bones? Coaching the players? Having a say on what position to sign players?
Agree that the structure is fecked.
However it's better to have a top manager who has at least some chance of achieving something in spite of the strucuture than one who doesn't. Who knows, perhaps the strcuture doesn't change in the next decade, do we keep Ole all that time then?
Also if Ole gets a sack, not sure i wanna see another manager, rather see a coach, someone whos speciality is to improve football on the pitch and players in general, someone who is capable to spray a turd with a gold paint and make it to look good until we sheep it out.
A month ago I’d probably have agreed with keeping him till the end of the year as the players have been trying, there was a slight upturn in form and the performances against Spurs and City were good, we’re still in the cups but this entire month has been completely shambolic and for the first time I have to admit I am airing on the side of Ole stepping down. He’s just got everything wrong this month, everything. Performances have been so bad, the interviews, the handling of injured players. He should have identified players and had deals wrapped up for the start of this window. The selections of Perreira and Lingard in particular in the middle of shocking form are things that should have been addressed.
I think if there is a change it should be made now not at the end of the season. There’s potentially positives to doing it now..
- new manager bounce (we saw how effective it was under Ole)
- a new manager developing the team now in time for next season
- actively pursuing new players between now and the end of the season under a new manager so we’re not messing about come to summer window
Except, if we're looking at Pochettino, I think a break until the end of the season will be good for him after Spurs.
Tonight was a new low. He needs to be sacked. For his own sake, if nothing else.
Just remove him from the job and get an interim manager until someone with actual pedigree comes in the summer.
I'll add the old caveat: not the biggest problem at the club, but a nothing manager. Sorry.
Just remove him from the job and get an interim manager until someone with actual pedigree comes in the summer.
I'll add the old caveat: not the biggest problem at the club, but a nothing manager. Sorry.
I have been trying to look for the progress over the last few weeks. Just can’t see it after a result like this. What are we trying to do?
Is it lowering our huge wage bill? Clearly not if we are giving new contracts to Jones and Lingard.
Is it saving money to update or renew the stadium? Nope
Do we have a plan on the pitch? Can’t see it, results don’t show it. Maybe someone can explain what that plan is.
Are we rebuilding the squad? Don’t seem to buy any new players, loads that we have are injured on a frequent basis. Basically seem to be relying on the u23 squad.
We have an inexperienced coach, an assistant that is an apprentice. What are they doing at one of the biggest clubs in the world?
Just don’t know what we are trying to do as a club.
Is it lowering our huge wage bill? Clearly not if we are giving new contracts to Jones and Lingard.
Is it saving money to update or renew the stadium? Nope
Do we have a plan on the pitch? Can’t see it, results don’t show it. Maybe someone can explain what that plan is.
Are we rebuilding the squad? Don’t seem to buy any new players, loads that we have are injured on a frequent basis. Basically seem to be relying on the u23 squad.
We have an inexperienced coach, an assistant that is an apprentice. What are they doing at one of the biggest clubs in the world?
Just don’t know what we are trying to do as a club.
Bring him in now. 3-4 months we might get top 4, if not it’s still 3-4 months of the squad getting proper coaching, learning a style of play and starting next season with 4 months head start then if he comes in the summer
Ole, please resign, thanks.
Someone like Jose Mourinho who delivered season upon season improvement whilst getting into cup finals for fun? Who then had the integrity to tell the board exactly what is required to make the next step, only to be humiliated by having his CEO brief the media behind his back about why he shouldn't sign a player like Mcguire, (only to sign Mcguire the following summer for an extra £10M), and who was finally sacked for pointing out that he knew more about footballing decisions than his board?
You can argue that Mourinho's 3rd season self destruction made his position untenable, but you should then also explain why he acted up and how else Mourinho could have gotten the resources he wanted. Why isn't OGS doing the same now as our squad is gutted in plain sight and it's blatantly clear he's being set up to fail?
Woodward's incompetence and meddling in footballing decisions is a clear and constant theme since SAF left. Nothing changes until we sort out the structure and responsibilities of our executive team; Pep, Klopp, Potch wont do much better in this current set up.
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So lazy to assume the reasoning is down to nationality. There have been Norwegians who’ve stated that they’re Ole out on the Caf btw.
Like what we should have done last summer? I still can’t believe they gave him the permanent job when they did. It was our chance to take our time and really think about who could take the club forward. But no Ole got the boys playing for about 2 months and that was the quick fix that Woodward and a lot of United fans wanted to see - including the likes of Rio and Neville.
I can even remember Liverpool fans at work hoping he would get the job as they just knew it was a disaster waiting to happen.
We might not get back to the very top without a structual change - which I support - but I think a top-class, modern thinking manager would do a lot better. We haven't had one in recent years.
This myth needs to die. A better manager will get more out of the players, out of the team, training them better, actually coaching them to improve, have more than one way of attacking etc.
This is not to say that our structure isn't rotten to the core, which it is. Just that hiring a top class manager as oppose to having a terrible manager makes a huge difference. This should be obvious.
Woodward was arguably right on Maguire.
But to this question: Would you have backed Jose after his post-match presser vs Sevilla? A presser in which he himself disconnected himself from the club and noted how the club's failures in Europe recently shouldn't surprise fans(for the Sevilla defeat)
Apologies.
Three things:
1) Mourinho WAS a top manager but his previous two jobs hadn’t gone particularly well. He also had a style of football that meant he was fighting a losing battle with a lot of our fan base.
2) Top managers have failed at many big clubs, does that mean these big clubs just give it to an unknown, untested, unproven manager? Of course you don’t. We still haven’t signed a manager who’s on the rise, attacking philosophy and most importantly uses modern tactics.
3) It’s Harry Maguire, not Mcguire. You literally see how his name is spelt every single game. Almost as bad as people morphing Lindegaard and Lingard into the same player on here.
Good post, we should never had got to that point. If the board had backed Mourinho we would easily be 3rd with him now.
in over his head .....said it 3 months ago , 2 months ago so happy anniversary
and while hes there glazers and woodward ....f&^% you too
and while hes there glazers and woodward ....f&^% you too
If Woodwood's plan was to use Mourinho to win us the league, come what may, which it would have to be when you hire such a character, yes, I would have stuck to my plan. Whatever Mourinho says or does, hold your nose and look the other way, win the league and then sack him and move on.
As CEO, Woodward has consistently demonstrated that he doesn't have the balls to stick to a strategic plan. So either he is shit at making plans, or doesn't have the balls to stick to a plan when a few troubles occur, or most likely both.
Case in point 1: Sack Mourinho, Hire OGS as interim, take time to write a new visionary plan (preferably through a DoF) and recruit new manager accordingly.
What actually happens? OGS wins a few games, and guess what: fcuk the plan!
Case in point 2: IF he was right about Maguire, why change his mind and sign him 12 months later? Just come up with the RIGHT plan and then follow it through!
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You would have to compensate Pochettino for the reported £12.5 million compensation pay-off that he'd have to pay back to Spurs if he agreed to manage another Premier League team before the end of the season.
Add in compensation for Ole and his staff for early termination of their contracts, and it all adds up to a pretty penny … at a time when United's income is stalling.
Not saying United can't afford it, but it all gets subtracted from your summer transfer kitty.
Our average finish post- SAF is 4.8 even if you ignore the odd Mourinho's season in which we finished 2. It's 5.5.
Ole deserves every criticism if we finish lower than 5th.
Ole deserves every criticism if we finish lower than 5th.
No white text? Shit, you caught me off-guard
s’all good.
This is what I see as well. There doesn’t seem to be a plan anywhere at the club. Fans calling the Glazers penny pinchers but we spent more than any club yet again in the summer and giving contacts to players who aren’t regulars starters.
I said many times it was the likes of Lingard, Rojo, Young, Jones, Darmian, Matic that needed to be sold and allow youngsters to replace their role in the squad. Instead we got rid of all of our best wantaway players and still left with most of the shit.
Onto this point then: if you fully back Jose, he likely replaces Pogba and Martial with Perisic/Willian and Savic(from Lazio). Do you really think those changes improve the team?
Re: the bold, I fully agree with that. Woodward completely botched the business following the Jose sacking.
It’s not about the league position (yet anyway). It’s the football, the lack of direction, the spending of £130m on the defence when you have lost 2 midfielders and 2 forwards with no replacement, it’s the over reliance of youth, favouring Lingard and now Pereira. Us being 5th is such a false position when 14th place is only 4pts difference.
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