Yeah. We need structural reform and maybe things will start improving. Not even a DoF, per se. Just someone in Ed’s post who has one long term football vision and who understands the game.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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It was dull as dishwater but LvG did have a clear style and
philosophy.He's the only manager we've had since Fergie that had a vision and stuck to it.
I have a friend who still maintains had LvG been given the final season of his contract we would have played much more attacking football as his process was a 3 year cycle. At least with LvG I felt we would win all the big games.
It kills me to see how well run City are nowadays. They have a clear vision which runs all through the club and I don't think they'll have any real issues when Pep leaves.
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How so? Its a continuation of the same crap we've endured since SAF retired. Short-term, knee jerk, woodwardnomics. Not for me my friend.
Maybe there should be a third option on this poll. One labelled - who fecking cares anymore. Thats where this is all heading for most of us under that regime.
In the absence of that option I vote "Keep". Just to avoid another rinse and repeat of managerial merry-go-round under the Woodward/Glazer regime.
Voted keep. Want to see how bad this goes and how naive some people are - both fans and the board.
Last seasons squad has been ripped apart, it’s a fresh start and a lot more changes to come hopefully.
You do remember all those games that were 0-0 at half time yet LVG was happy with that. Entertainment is bigger to me than winning, I’m enjoying football under Ole tenfold more than under him.
Managers can only do so much.
Players win games. Since football began the best teams are almost always the ones with the best players. Every now and then you get a Leicester that for a short time play above their level. Sometimes SAF could win games with poor starting lineups. But this is never sustainable. At the end of the day titles are won by the best teams with the best players.
The transfer market is absolutely vital and Ole is the first manager since SAF that actually looks like he knows what hes doing in that regard.
I know it wont happen, but just sack him already and put him out of his misery, it would be healthier for him and for us.
Love it how Spurs and Pool fans vote for keep.
I think the match going fans are like this. I lived in Manchester during the Moyes era and after the Fulham and Liverpool games their whole view was that he needs his own (and better) team before he can be judged and we need to get behind our manager.Sky just did a section with interviews outside old Trafford this morning, all were behind Ole so either they are biased in what they showed or it shows the internet is full of crackpots
After those conversations I realised that if I took a turd in the United dugout and put a manager's pin on it. People will start singing about it and back it no matter how much it stinks.
How about the above option/post? Probably more in line with your option 3?
But anyway, keeping/sacking Ole isn’t really connected to supporting the Glazers/Ed in any way. It’s possible that you could literally just think that from a coaching and managerial perspective, he’s out of his depth. That’s not necessarily my opinion, but I just don’t see how voting “sack” is automatically related to supporting the leeches & Ed.
I agree with you, we have Pogba, McT, Lindelof and Maguire and we cannot do anything on set pieces.
If we are going to play Perreira on the right, we can't have Lingard in the middle he offers nothing. I would rather play Pogba there and Fred behind him.
McT is good and didnt pass forward because he doesnt trust Rashford, Lingard or Perreira to hold the ball and find another pass, how many times did the ball stick to Rashford? Did he attempt to beat a man when he had the chance?
It's a prolly sack soonAgree with you. The three signings made this summer are excellent signings.
It's a shame then that we're neither entertaining nor winning.
I agree, but I wouldn't say Ole is 3/3 yet.
James and Wan Bissakka look quality but Maguire looks nothing like an 80m player and has done nothing to impress me yet. And while James has been the only bright spark so far he may struggle as teams stop playing to his strengths and sit deep. We're already seeing him have less impact in his last few matches.
Ole has to also share the blame for selling our only reliable goalscorer and not replacing him. It was sheer arrogance that caused that, he thought he'd turn "Rashy" into the striker we all thought he'd be when he debuted, unfortunately he is nowhere near the level we need and likely never will be.
The did the same with Moyes, and many United fans were in delusion about him until the very end, some people don’t see what’s coming until its way too far.Love it how Spurs and Pool fans vote for keep.
Moyes should’ve been sacked in October, Ole should too.
That philosophy was clear in that atrocious winter period. There were some glimpses of style at the end of 1st season during that nice little run and then he decided to scrap everything in the next season. No way we'd look any better in 3rd season.It was dull as dishwater but LvG did have a clear style and
He's the only manager we've had since Fergie that had a vision and stuck to it.
I have a friend who still maintains had LvG been given the final season of his contract we would have played much more attacking football as his process was a 3 year cycle. At least with LvG I felt we would win all the big games.
It kills me to see how well run City are nowadays. They have a clear vision which runs all through the club and I don't think they'll have any real issues when Pep leaves.
City has a vision and a plan and we're still a stumbling giant without neither plan or a vision doing anything to get back on top thus resulting in one catastrophy after another.
You’re enjoying the football Ole is serving up?? Christ I didn’t know the fan base was so deluded. We deserve nothing as a club with no ambition
The funniest thing about this is that LVG had the most progressive philosophy out of Moyes, Ole and Jose. He was just the worst out of all the mentioned managers in terms of recruiting. LVG's philosophy with better recruitment would have made us a comfortable top 4 team with the occasional cup. LVG followed by managers like Pep or Tuchel would have had us back to challenging for titles.
Voting "Sack" would endorse a decision by Woodward to sack a manager he has just appointed.
In turn, supporting the continued mis-management of the club by Woodward.
Its impossible to answer this poll without a conversation about Woodward.
Keep- simply because the club made it's ludicrous decision in the summer to accept this squad as good enough and now we have to see it through. I'm not confident that any manager could come in and turn these players into the kind we need. The effort and commitment is there from them but the quality just isn't.
Evaluate at the end of the season. We all know the real problem is our board and part of me knows that things will probably never truly get better until Ed and the Glazers leave. A new manager could come in and get things moving up again but it will only be briefly. In the end they'll get frustrated by the board, morale and performances will drop and they'll probably get sacked. The never ending cycle.
Evaluate at the end of the season. We all know the real problem is our board and part of me knows that things will probably never truly get better until Ed and the Glazers leave. A new manager could come in and get things moving up again but it will only be briefly. In the end they'll get frustrated by the board, morale and performances will drop and they'll probably get sacked. The never ending cycle.
We clearly need a big personality who can inspire the players here. Due to a multitude of reasons, when the rot sets in with any manager, it slowly gets worse to the point of being indefensible. Despite best intentions our players seem to lose confidence and no one we appoint is able to reinstill that.
The vote is currently 60/40 in favour of keeping Ole. Three cheers for rival fans, hip hip ...
No doubt fans like yourself would have wanted the two Sirs bounced out of the club when they struggled initially as well. Not suggesting for a minute Ole will become the third Sir as he almost certainly won't, but....
Hold the ball for the sake of winning possession. It was marvelous times! Our opponents didn't need to even field a team and still got a draw. The process was the philosophy.
That would be interesting to see too.
Don't forget many of the people voting keep right now isn't because they think he's doing a good job, it's because they don't trust us to get the next appointment correct. So the poll results are being distorted in keeps favour because of this.
Sky just did a section with interviews outside old Trafford this morning, all were behind Ole so either they are biased in what they showed or it shows the internet is full of crackpots
Match goers and those on fan mag forums like Red Issue and United We Stand tend to be much slower to turn on the manager than the Caf.
Posts like this are pointless.
Stop getting upset because people disagree with you about whether a manager should stay or go.
I didn't agree with or appreciate his style, but he clearly had one.
I respected him for sticking to it despite all those around him calling for us to be more attacking. He was implementing a more footballing culture into the club, which to be honest we still need to do.
We are mirroring 90s Liverpool to a scary degree.
Ole was a fantastic temporary fix to Mourinho. He offers the team nothing long term, after 10 months in charge the team still lacks identity. The patterns of play are nonexistent. There's no basis in the structure of our attacking shape, hence the team struggles to score goals. You don't need world class players to play a good foundation of attacking football. Ole's man management is also poor, he doesn't rotate the team, substitutions are bad, he's a compulsive liar why have neither Greenwood, Gomes, Gardner and Chong featured more often despite Solskjaer's promises. His tactical implementation is poor why is Pogba playing a double pivot midfield when he was Ole's best player under the 10 role. The same for Mctomminay, he's more useful in a three man midfield as a shield to the defence he outperformed Matic in this area last season.
Furthermore, a diabolical coach, name one outfield player who Solskjaer has improved ? Coaching is not only about style of play it's also about installing a system that allows players to flourish this is why Lingard / Rashford look much better for the national team. It's the same reason Lukaku looked fantastic at the world cup under Martinez but garbage under Jose. Southgate / Martinez cater their system to the players at their disposal so can anyone with common explain why Ole is opting for a 4-2-3-1 when we don't have the players to accommodate that formation. Solskjaer will never have us competing for the league no matter how much time he has at his disposal, you don't go from managing Molde and relegating Cardiff to all of a sudden a world class manager. So if we have a manager who's inept as a coach and lacks everything to have us competing why is he here.
Furthermore, a diabolical coach, name one outfield player who Solskjaer has improved ? Coaching is not only about style of play it's also about installing a system that allows players to flourish this is why Lingard / Rashford look much better for the national team. It's the same reason Lukaku looked fantastic at the world cup under Martinez but garbage under Jose. Southgate / Martinez cater their system to the players at their disposal so can anyone with common explain why Ole is opting for a 4-2-3-1 when we don't have the players to accommodate that formation. Solskjaer will never have us competing for the league no matter how much time he has at his disposal, you don't go from managing Molde and relegating Cardiff to all of a sudden a world class manager. So if we have a manager who's inept as a coach and lacks everything to have us competing why is he here.
Its not about sentimentality but a cognisance of the task that Ole has at hand that no amount of managerial merry-go-round is going to solve.
Am I convinced that Ole is the manager to lead us to the title? No
Am I convinced that any other manager is going perform significantly better with this squad of players? Definitely no
In absence of a compelling alternative, I would rather let Ole steadily improve the direction of the squad over the next 2 transfer windows, if only to hand it over to some other manager at a later point of time. I firmly believe the work that Ole is doing behind scenes may lead to short term pain but will eventually simplify the job for whoever comes next after him.
Revisionism about LVG is just like in ex communist countries regarding communism. More time passes more communism looks it wasn't actually so bad.
Yep, they love Ole ...”doing a great job, “give him the job for life” etc etc.Love it how Spurs and Pool fans vote for keep.
Voted keep. You can’t call for stability and preach a long term project, get all the players and staff on board and all together building towards a better future and then fecking sack the manager 7 games into the new season. Sure it would probably bring a few better results like last time but personally i see the foundations that are being laid and feel Ole deserves a chance to build on them with another couple of windows. Give him another 12 months minimum regardless of this seasons finish.
Yeah hence my very first post in this thread (& the one I quoted in the reply to you). I agree with that.
Maguire has been fine. James is playing well and was good last night again. Not sure what you're seeing there to be honest.
He clearly intended Martial to lead the line with Rashford and Greenwood as secondary options. Unfortunately he got injured almost straight away leaving the pressure on Rashford who doesn't look ready to be the main man.
We would all agree that another attacker and a couple of midfielders would have left us in a much better position this season. We are definitely short on numbers. The last thing we should be doing though is signing the wrong players for the sake of numbers.
I'd rather wait than repeat any of the following mistakes:
Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, ADM, Falcao, Bailly, Darmian, Rojo, Mata, Matic, Fred, Mhkitaryan, Depay, Sanchez, Lukaku, Fellaini
Have to disagree about LVG, he implemented nothing at all.
Agree though about 90s Liverpool.
It’s not that I’m upset they want Ole to stay. Clearly they just have faith no matter what.
But to say his football is enjoyable to watch is removed from reality
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