Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[RedRover]

I'm not convinced he's the top class manager we need long terms but I'm not sure what sacking him at this stage achieves.

The squad lacks quality and depth. That's evident for anyone to see. The true failing at the club is how poor we are in the transfer market. In the past we've bought bang average (at best) players. This year was different but the same old problem remains - an inability to identify target and either get deals done quickly or move on.

We're two or three player light - especially in midfield and over the season that will cost us, as it is already.

In some senses the idea of waiting for the right players becoming available is fine but the fact is, if that player is (for example) Jadon Sancho, without CL football its not going to happen. Other clubs identify weaknesses and have first, second and sometimes third choice targets identified in those positions months in advance so that they go into the season they're fully prepared. We spend months negotiating for one player and end up paying full price anyway, instead of getting business done.

Expecting any manager to take the squad Ole started with to a level to challenge City and Liverpool in one transfer window was patently unrealistic, but top should be realistic. If the club can't identify players who improve us in attacking positions then that says more about the club than anything else.

If Ole is sacked, what then? Is a Poch (or similar) going to come in and get more from this group? Perhaps in the short term but frankly, I question whether a good number of then are good enough.

Overall, the issues at the club run much, much deeper. The footballing structure hasn't worked since Fergie left and nobody at the club seems to know how to address it.

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

Those of you voting sack are essentially voting to back Woodward and The Glazers. Nice.

What kind of logic is that? You realize the Glazers can’t be sacked?
If you have an oligarch relative, by all means, convince him to buy the club and sack ED on the way.

 

[Majima]

Those of you voting sack are essentially voting to back Woodward and The Glazers. Nice.

No. I didn't know we could sack the Glazers? I am voting to sack Ole based on what I see on the pitch week in week out, the relegation form and the non-existent coaching. It's not acceptable what we're seeing at all. He is way in over his head here and the team needs coaching properly again.

 

[JJ12]

There's a world of difference between turning players into world class performers or struggling in mid-table. And no, your second sentence is still not a fact. A past-it, destructive Mourinho continuing the pattern of his previous clubs and Solskjaer, who failed miserably at his one other Premier League job, are by no means evidence to turn your opinion into fact.

It's the players that make it a fact.

They aren't good enough, but whatever just sack the manager yearly and hope for better results

 

[fergiesarmy1]

I can't speak for all united fans who aren't on the Internet, but everyone I know is still behind Ole.
From memory, people seemed most put off by Van Gaal, I remember people being desperate to get rid of him.

Same here, all behind Ole still.

 

[sullydnl]

I'd be curious to know what percentage of the caf wanted all of Moyes, LVG and Mou gone at the time they were sacked. It would give me an idea of whereabouts caf sentiment on Ole is.

 

[Rory 7]

What kind of logic is that? You realize the Glazers can’t be sacked?
If you have an oligarch relative, by all means, convince him to buy the club and sack ED on the way.

Pretty obvious 'logic'. Only the Glazers/Woodward can sack Ole. So if you vote 'sack' you are backing their decision.

 

[Rory 7]

No. I didn't know we could sack the Glazers? I am voting sack based on what I see on the pitch week in week out, the relegation form and the shocking results. It's not acceptable what we're seeing at all. He is way in over his head here and the team needs coaching properly again.

Who would sack Ole? The same man that appointed him that's who. So you'd be backing that clown. As I say. Nice.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

No. I didn't know we could sack the Glazers? I am voting sack based on what I see on the pitch week in week out, the relegation form and the shocking results. It's not acceptable what we're seeing at all. He is way in over his head here and the team needs coaching properly again.

One of the biggest problems we have is scoring goals going back years now, are you saying Ole isn’t up to coaching that aspect of the game?

 

[Andycoleno9]

Those of you voting sack are essentially voting to back Woodward and The Glazers. Nice.

We can also say that those who are voting against sack are basically backing Ed and Glazers because they hired Ole.
See how putting things out of context can go in both ways?

 

[Wilt]

Those of you voting sack are essentially voting to back Woodward and The Glazers. Nice.

How?

 

[Green_Red]

Keep.

I was at the game last night and a couple of things I noticed;

• Set pieces: back post, MaGuire heads back into box for someone else. Every set piece, wheres the variation?
• Lack of creativity: you hear comments like "we need a creative player" but this is Man Utd, every player should be creative, we look static at times
• Where is the one touch fast paced attacking of the first 12/14 games gone? We've reverted to this slow sideways 10 touch football
• Forward positioning: last night there was acres of space between the two Arsenal CBs, did we have anyone in there playing off their shoulder making runs in behind, did we feck! Did they? Yes Aubemyang was doing that to us.
• Pereira shouldnt be starting before Fred
• Lingard only gets forward to chase down lost causes which he never wins anyway so its wasted running, he adds nothing other than running, no incisive passes or runs into channels
• McTominay got the goal but he needs to realise that you can pass forwards not just sideways or back.
• Rashford needs to be dropped because some of the chances he had last night, its like he doesnt know what to do. He is quickly turning into Welbeck Mk2

Rant done.

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

Pretty obvious 'logic'. Only the Glazers/Woodward can sack Ole. So if you vote 'sack' you are backing their decision.

“Logic”, exactly, nope, not obvious at all.

It seems to me you can’t separate Ole the player from Ole the manager and you support him based on some sentimental nonsense.
They should all be sacked, but you can’t sack the Glazers, you still can sack failing, arguably not even championship level managers.

 

[Castia]

I'm not convinced he's the top class manager we need long terms but I'm not sure what sacking him at this stage achieves.

The squad lacks quality and depth. That's evident for anyone to see. The true failing at the club is how poor we are in the transfer market. In the past we've bought bang average (at best) players. This year was different but the same old problem remains - an inability to identify target and either get deals done quickly or move on.

We're two or three player light - especially in midfield and over the season that will cost us, as it is already.

In some senses the idea of waiting for the right players becoming available is fine but the fact is, if that player is (for example) Jadon Sancho, without CL football its not going to happen. Other clubs identify weaknesses and have first, second and sometimes third choice targets identified in those positions months in advance so that they go into the season they're fully prepared. We spend months negotiating for one player and end up paying full price anyway, instead of getting business done.

Expecting any manager to take the squad Ole started with to a level to challenge City and Liverpool in one transfer window was patently unrealistic, but top should be realistic. If the club can't identify players who improve us in attacking positions then that says more about the club than anything else.

If Ole is sacked, what then? Is a Poch (or similar) going to come in and get more from this group? Perhaps in the short term but frankly, I question whether a good number of then are good enough.

Overall, the issues at the club run much, much deeper. The footballing structure hasn't worked since Fergie left and nobody at the club seems to know how to address it.

You make some great points, especially if Ole leaves who do we get in, there’s not much choice at the moment.

But I believe you don’t need world class players to put a system and style in place. Look at Leicester, they play nice football , Lampard at Chelsea is building a team, even bloody Norwich go in with with an identity.....we’re playing 1995 style football.

If we had Sancho, Rice and a striker in this system I can’t see us being that much better.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Sky just did a section with interviews outside old Trafford this morning, all were behind Ole so either they are biased in what they showed or it shows the internet is full of crackpots

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding - we have a winner.

After the game last night, which cemented our worst start in 30 years - this is what club insider Schmeichel spent the entirety of his post match Sky interview spouting...

https://www.skysports.com/football/...r-uniteds-problem-child-says-peter-schmeichel

OGS management wasn't even mentioned.

The fact it is now our worse start in 30 years wasn't even mentioned.

How long will the club remain patient wasn't even mentioned.

Alternatives open to the club should they chose to remove him wasn't even mentioned.

The MSM in footy will do as they're paid to by the club's PR team - we've seen this time and time again.

The Moyes reign saw this in play heavily, it was embarrassing and very revealing - and this appointment, which, to me at least, is increasingly similar to the Moyes debacle is going the same way.

Don't expect the 'club to come first' for the likes of G.Neville, Keane and Schmeichel - they do as they're told and paid to, and they protect their mates first and foremost.

We love the club far more than them - whether we agree with each other on OGS or not.

 

[Icemav]

Only the legendary achievements of winning 2 European cups with Aberdeen, numerous league titles and domestic cups, earning him an OBE for his service to Scottish football. That's before he even set foot here. No big deal really though is it?

@Icemav are u wumming?

No I really think that is what the board are hoping for.

Regarding Fergie, Ole doesnt have close to his pedigree when stepping into the club but I dont think that matters to them. The new manager bounce provided a false dawn and they jumped on it salivating at the prospect of promoting youth, exciting football and results with the current squad, and cheap manager who would not whine to the media. They had gone with experienced managers previously and that was dour so Woodwards shit logic was try the opposite.

But whatever Fergie achieved at Aberdeen I doubt anyone posting today would give an f if we finished 2nd, 11th, 14th..... you think he would still be in a job? Mou had even more pedigree and even if he didnt throw his toys out the pram their is 0% chance he wouldn't get fired for that.

So back to the present strategy. It is to appoint a very inexperienced manager with a questionable track record who is an ex player passionate about United, promote youth, keep spending down, and pray for a miracle. Under those circumstances the miracle needs time. Oh well perhaps I am wumming.

 

[Rory 7]

We can also say that those who are voting against sack are basically backing Ed and Glazers because they hired Ole.
See how putting things out of context can go in both ways?

True. And no matter which side you look at the same common denominator is at fault.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

That’s the problem. If there were 1-2 real candidates available I feel the vast majority of fans would call for a change, but there seems to be a lack of options.

If Poch walks out of Spurs and is available in January I’ll tell you now Woodward will go all out for the change.

Nah I cant see Poch going anywhere this season, depending on how this season goes he may or may not be here next season.

 

[Ainu]

It's the players that make it a fact.

They aren't good enough, but whatever just sack the manager yearly and hope for better results

How can you know that, when you haven't seen what other managers might be able to achieve with those players? You really aren't making your case as to why that would be a fact instead of an opinion. For a period under Ole, they played to a much higher level than what they're doing now, essentially proving that they're better than this.

As for your other remark, I haven't even voted Solskjaer out, because it would accomplish nothing at this point. You're attacking me for something I wasn't even suggesting.

 

[Rory 7]

“Logic”, exactly, nope, not obvious at all.

It seems to me you can’t separate Ole the player from Ole the manager and you support him based on some sentimental nonsense.
They should all be sacked, but you can’t sack the Glazers, you still can sack failing, arguably not even championship level managers.

It might 'seem' like that to you but have you any evidence anywhere on this board that I'm being sentimental about Ole.
I'm merely pointing out that IF Ole is sack by Woodward, those of you voting 'sack' are backing Woodward. The same Woodward who is at the heart of the last 7 year mess.
Ole being 'good enough' or not is, in my opinion, a moot point as long as this regime is in charge at OT. Even SAF at his pomp would struggle with the culture Woodward has created.

 

[SteveW]

Our problems will be solved in the transfer market not the training pitch. You can't coach the likes of Matic, Mata, Lingard, Fred, Young to be good enough. They simply aren't.

Instead of hoping for a miracle worker coach we should be looking at a manager who will consistently sign good players who are the right fit for the club. So far Ole's record is 3/3.

 

[Castia]

Nah I cant see Poch going anywhere this season, depending on how this season goes he may or may not be here next season.

Yeah me too, I don’t think he’ll go before the summer but if a Poch or someone similar does become available I can see Ed making the change.

 

[Majima]

One of the biggest problems we have is scoring goals going back years now, are you saying Ole isn’t up to coaching that aspect of the game?

I would say I have no idea what is supposed to be happening on the training ground. Because I see nothing on the pitch out there. When he came, I was expecting him to improve Rashford in front of the goal but he looks as clueless as ever in front of the goal so I don't know how much decent coaching, if any he is getting.

When we attack, I rarely see any rehearsed patterns or movement so again, it doesn't look like much is happening there.

So to sum up. No I dont think there's any reason why that would suddenly change, if we judge what we have seen under him so far.

 

[Mainoldo]

Those of you voting sack are essentially voting to back Woodward and The Glazers. Nice.

I’ve seen them give 900m to mangers. I’d rather back the money than the guy who had Cardiff 17th in the Championship. Which is what you are backing. Nice.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

Same here, all behind Ole still.

Which is odd as LVG had an identity for the team, won us things, got top 4.

Old has no identity, Results are appalling & were more really boring too.

I guess lots of United fans are too sentimental that Ole is in charge & aren’t opening their eyes to the dross that a manager way out of his depth is serving up.

We deserve to be nowhere & stagnating with this attitude

 

[Ban]

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding - we have a winner.

After the game last night, which cemented our worst start in 30 years - this is what club insider Schmeichel spent the entirety of his post match Sky interview spouting...

https://www.skysports.com/football/...r-uniteds-problem-child-says-peter-schmeichel

OGS management wasn't even mentioned.

The fact it is now our worse start in 30 years wasn't even mentioned.

How long will the club remain patient wasn't even mentioned.

Alternatives open to the club should they chose to remove him wasn't even mentioned.

The MSM in footy will do as they're paid to by the club's PR team - we've seen this time and time again.

The Moyes reign saw this in play heavily, it was embarrassing and very revealing - and this appointment, which, to me at least, is increasingly similar to the Moyes debacle is going the same way.

Don't expect the 'club to come first' for the likes of G.Neville, Keane and Schmeichel - they do as they're told and paid to, and they protect their mates first and foremost.

We love the club far more than them - whether we agree with each other on OGS or not.

Thats quite a claim. We're gonna shit on United legends now? Does Keane strike you as someone who says things someone said to him to say?

 

[Eric7C]

Poll results.

Which way are you surprised?

 

[Rory 7]

I’ve seen them give 900m to mangers. I’d rather back the money than the guy who had Cardiff 17th in the Championship. Which is what you are backing. Nice.

So you'd rather back the Glazers & Woodward. Point proven. Nice.

 

[Ban]

Which is odd as LVG had an identity for the team, won us things, got top 4.

Old has no identity, Results are appalling & were more really boring too.

I guess lots of United fans are too sentimental that Ole is in charge & aren’t opening their eyes to the dross that a manager way out of his depth is serving up.

We deserve to be nowhere & stagnating with this attitude

What identity we had under LVG exactly?

 

[Ish]

Thats the key. Changing a manager again but keeping the same structure won't work.

Yep. Doing the same thing and expecting different results....

Feck Ed man. He’s on his 4th managerial appointment already. & we’re talking about sacking the manager again. He also needs to suffer some consequences for his decisions.

 

[b82REZ]

I, like many others got caught up in the romanticism of appointing him. Although I always thought we should have waited until the summer.

I gave him benefit of the doubt last season but its clear he has no clear direction of where he wants to take us. I admire his faith in youth and his goal of seemingly taking United back to their roots, but the reality is he isn't good enough for the rebuild and needs to go.

Problem now is, who next? Poch was my choice and remains it for now, but doubts have started to appear over him, but he at least has a fairly decent CV prior to this seasons drop off.

The rudderless direction of the board is alarming. There seems to be no real motivation from the board to improve on field fortunes and its going to take a severe drop off in income for them to act in a ruthless way. They have made Ole's hard job infinitely more difficult by not backing him in the summer. The mood around the club was optimistic at the start of preseason but Stevie Wonder could see what we needed and its criminal we've gone into a season with no recognised, proven goalscorer, let alone the right wing and lack of depth and creativity in midfield.

In many ways this feels like LvGs last season. Seemingly keen to promote youth but the lack of quality there as well as lack of quality in the first team means we are miles off our rivals.

Ole will likely take the fall around Xmas and we'll get some interim "experienced" manager until May. But this time we need a real process of recruitment, not the cheapest option or an ex player who has the clubs best interest at heart but who clearly isn't to the standard we aspire to be.

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

Our problems will be solved in the transfer market not the training pitch. You can't coach the likes of Matic, Mata, Lingard, Fred, Young to be good enough. They simply aren't.

Instead of hoping for a miracle worker coach we should be looking at a manager who will consistently sign good players who are the right fit for the club. So far Ole's record is 3/3.

Signings players is a tiny part of what a manager’s job is, there’s a whole lot more into it.
3/3 is way too early to coronate them all as successful, I’m not all that impressed with Maguire so far, Darmian, Bailly, Matic were all considered successful signings at some point, look how that turned out.
Put Ole as a head of the transfer and scouting department and get a real manager in then.

 

[Rista]

Ole is the new Moyes unfortunately so it is only a matter of time. It doesn't make much of a difference if he is sacked now or near the end of the season. If/when a suitable replacement is available, he should go. Match going fans being fully behind him doesn't mean much either. We gave Moyes a standing ovation when he was ruining our club just to show we're proper supporters.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Which is odd as LVG had an identity for the team, won us things, got top 4.

Old has no identity, Results are appalling & were more really boring too.

I guess lots of United fans are too sentimental that Ole is in charge & aren’t opening their eyes to the dross that a manager way out of his depth is serving up.

We deserve to be nowhere & stagnating with this attitude

LVG games were the most boring of any united manager I can remember, Ole has a different task to what LVG had and it’s going to take time.

Anyway we aren’t sacking anyone after 7 games.

 

[Ban]

Yep. Doing the same thing and expecting different results....

Feck Ed man. He’s on his 4th managerial appointment already. & we’re talking about sacking the manager again. He also needs to suffer some consequences for his decisions.

Which he sadly won't. And in a few months time fams will probably want the head of yet another manager.

 

[Nanotron]

Why the feck is a reserve, backup option our set piece taker. While alos lacking the ability to put in a decent cross. Seriously that offence alone is worthy of a sacking. These small things all add up. An example of poor management which has nothing to do with rebuilding/transfers etc. I wish he would get these simple things right, stop talking and start acting.

He should never have been given the job in the first place. Smart move as a caretaker manager. Dumb move giving him this ship in it's current state to run.

 

[Ish]

Those of you voting sack are essentially voting to back Woodward and The Glazers. Nice.

That’s a massive leap.

 

[Wilt]

The opposition fans I know say Ole’s “doing a great job” together with “give him the job for life”.

 

[Ban]

Why the feck is a reserve, backup option our set piece taker. While alos lacking the ability to put in a decent cross. Seriously that offence alone is worthy of a sacking. These small things all add up. Another example if poor management which has nothing to do with rebuilding/transfers etc

Who is that?

 

[Rafaeldagold]

LVG games were the most boring of any united manager I can remember, Ole has a different task to what LVG had and it’s going to take time.

Anyway we aren’t sacking anyone after 7 games.

Ole is way more boring. It’s actually nice to win once in a while too.

It’s not after 7 games, it’s the 10 months he’s been here. Wake up