past performance is no guarantee of the future.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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past performance is no guarantee of the future.
No, but its what we base managerial pedigree on. And Ole has none, whilst Pochettino has a lot.
The issues at Spurs is down to a stale dressing room with 3-4 key players wanting out for reasons unrelated to the manager. Add to that a lack of support for the manager in the transfer market to freshen his squad suitably and sell deadwood. No evidence of a managerial fall out and more frustrations with the broader ambitions of the club. The problems with us is that Ole can't get a squad playing with conviction for more than one game before collapsing. With Poch I can see what Spurs are about and he has solid form for 3.5 seasons to fall back on to evidence that. With Ole I have Cardiff.
What about Poch having a much better squad than ours.
At least we are better than Spurs
I agree with a lot of yours points. I'm someone that values the influence of good coaching, I think good players do better with better coaching and I think the team is not being coached very well. We can't even do throw-ins properly for example. Still our squad looks very weak especially in midfield and attack, so I'd give any manager in charge the benefit of doubt, and this isn't about Solskjaer.
His squad is broken. A broken squad is a broken squad regardless of the level of talent (to an extent). Poch himself has full back issues. His left back struggled with personal mental problems (which i sympathise with) and was on sale. His right back was sold. He was supported with no one to replace.
Aurier was in the shopping window from what I recall. He has both centre backs running down their contract and wanting out and his most creative outlet wanting out on top. On top of that there is a broken dynamic which he can't fix unless he's supported to freshen up the squad. It's the end of the cycle for him and his players, and not a situation comparable to Ole who has just kicked off his progress. You'd be better off comparing Spurs in Pochs first year to Ole in his first year if you really want to see.
Are we? Why would you say that? Both very bad but we play worse football.
Yes everything is plain sailing here.
He's a good manager but there's a lot of double standards going on. The assumption is we'll get all of the best bits, all of our young players will be the next Kane, we'll have bargain basement signings (which aren't down to him) who all come good and such results like Spurs are getting now won't happen here.
What about our squad then?
Arguably our best player -Pogba - missed most of the season. The same with our only proper no 9 Martial.
Then we also have players with their minds and hearts elsewhere like Matic and to a certain point Pogba.
At least we re introducing a number of youngsters which will hopefully come good with a season under their belts.
Spurs had 4 shots today. People need to watch some other games instead of assuming all teams play for 90 minutes like they see on the match of the day highlights.
We don't have an entire back 4 wanting out and Eriksen for Spurs is far more influential then Pogba.
Tell that to the Pogba boys...
Poch had 11 points from his first 9 games before he started playing Kane.
Don't cherry pick. Compare after all games in charge for Ole vs Poch?
We've not got a full season yet. We're 4th on PL points since Solskjaer came in if that means anything.
Lool... “ole in” satirised and summarised.
I was thinking of all the ways people defend Ole, and they all come across as the “Leave Britney Alone” YouTube video from years back.
It doesn't matter, he's had ample of time to bed in a system and get his players playing. How many wins draws and losses does Ole have compared to Poch, or even Brendan after the same amount of games? Heck, Brendan Rodgers had walked in half way through a season too and he didn't even replace Maguire. He's regarded as a joke on this caf and sits 3rd.
For what it's worth it's not about Ole being worse (assuming he is after the same games). Id take that even today if I had something to fall back on where I can say "he's done xyz so let's keep faith". But he was sacked by Cardiff and was horrific. His transfers were a massive part of that too, which is why I don't have anything to go by.
It has taken years of piss poor management to get United to this low point, yet Solskjaer is given one transfer window and 3 new signings to turn it all around?
But fine bring in Allegri, then what do you do when 6 months into his tenure nothing has improved?
Still the same squad of shite, overrated players, results are still patchy and football style is still boring.
Do you then sack Allegri and bring in another new manager..??
Then how long do you give him, 6 months, 3 months..??
But fine bring in Allegri, then what do you do when 6 months into his tenure nothing has improved?
Still the same squad of shite, overrated players, results are still patchy and football style is still boring.
Do you then sack Allegri and bring in another new manager..??
Then how long do you give him, 6 months, 3 months..??
Actually if sacking Ole right on the spot would mean Allegri would come in right now I'd keep Ole. Allegri would be far from a good fit.
Poch has had 5 years for his system but now you're making excuses for him. Apply the same rules to both.
Leicester don't surprise me. I could dig out posts from around a year ago to saying what I thought of our best line up compared to Leicester's. Just backs up my judgement that they had better players when people said I was talking nonsense.
I'm not making excuses for anyone. Poch is reaching the end of a cycle with Tottenham and the club is paying the price for a lack of investment to help the squad and keep star players happy. That's a fact, not an excuse. What is another fact is that Pochetino has actually made tangible progress in the clubs development, moving up the league whether its Espanyol or Southampton or Tottenham. Sure this season is so far a regression but I've addressed the factors to that.
Ole has nothing outside of a proven form of relegation with Cardiff. It's not double standards and it's not excuses. If you want, take me out the equation. When Poch leaves Spurs we all know he will be managing some top club, that much is guaranteed. If Ole continues this patchy form and eventually gets sacked, which he will, do you think a top club will even come near him? Are they also having double standards? Obviously not. Because they know a proper coach from one out of his depth.
This is a poor argument. Ole is a terrible manager and isn't going to make it here whatever happens to the next manager. He lacks everything to succeed here. His tactics and in game management are beyond terrible. This isn't going to change by buying more players. The next manager may succeed or fail but Ole hasn't shown any evidence he will do it here at all, or that our tactical problems will be solved by signing more players.
All the arguments for Ole to stay so far here has been lack of other options, there are other problems, he needs time etc. However you won't find a single argument for him to stay based on what he actually did and is doing on the pitch for us so far because we know what he has done here so far will drive any manager outside any other club without the fans caring 1% about him, but since he's an ex legend some don't want to say it straight and clear.
The thing is, appointing Ole was a mistake in the first place. The only worse thing that we can do is to keep an underqualified manager to save face.
Yes, we appoint another manager and give him reasonable chance. If he's a complete disaster, we appoint someone else. That's how all other top clubs operate, it's not exactly rocket science, we're not special.
My view is OGS inherited a better squad than Leicester that was 3 or 4 players away from challenging, for the title then this season he decided to make the squad weaker by 'fixing' the defence, then weakening the midfield
and attack.
I believe if we swapped Rodgers for OGS with NO changes to the squads Utd would be on top of Leicester in the league and playing better football.
The kind of football OGS imagines he wants to play, is all in his head, theory, fantasy football, his teams have NEVER played the kind of football he wants to play and doesn't know to implement.
Every manager is a risk. There's no such thing as a riskless appointment. But you know you have a better chance of success with Allegri than Ole, come on mate.
When the best reason to persist with a a manger is someone else might not be better you know it’s time to move on.
After 11 games Watford haven’t won a game all season, we’re closer to them to the team than the in 4th. Ole isn’t doing a good job not even close, changing manager shouldn’t be giving anyone cause for concern.
Ole was appointed on the 19th of December 2018 we are in November 2019, he's had a full pre season along with a 150 million transfer window and we are no better as a team (we are worse even) since when Jose was in charge. Does it ever occur to fans that the likes of Moyes, Mourinho and Solskjaer just aren't good enough ? It's telling that many of the previous managers in the last decade are all unemployed. The problem that Ole has for me is he's not progressive, what has he done as a manager of this team to provide us with a platform to build upon. It's more unrealistic to predict that Allegri will fail at this club then it is to assume that time and money are going to fix Solskjaer's fortunes. Terrible managerial appointments have been the downfall of our club along with a bad hierarchy structure. We need a DOF, we need an astute coach / manager and we need a stronger squad.
Oh boy, how did we end up in this mess. Our best player wants to leave. Our second best player is only here for the money.
We have a midfield who wouldn't get in any other PL team and a striker who is world class in the eyes of only our manager.
If you not sure who I'm taking about. Please see below.
Pogba
Degea
Fred, Pereira, Mctomminy
Martial
It's going to take years to sort this out.
We have a midfield who wouldn't get in any other PL team and a striker who is world class in the eyes of only our manager.
If you not sure who I'm taking about. Please see below.
Pogba
Degea
Fred, Pereira, Mctomminy
Martial
It's going to take years to sort this out.
Obviously another club would go for the manager with the better track record, I'd choose Poch too. But his previous record has counted for nothing since December when Solskjaer came in. It's a long time for a supposedly far superior coach to be getting worse results with a better squad in the PL.
Nice skewing of the stats their. That's due to the amazing first 13 or 14 games. If you want to see a truer reflection of where we are then look at the results since mid March. We are only above Southampton, Brighton and Watford. That's 19 games and 21 points. Relegation fodder.
When the transfer window closed he was asked if he was happy with the squad, he was happy with the attitude and the boys he had available. Okey, fair play Ole.
Now he says that we lack the quality to win those one goal games. It was clear from day one (this season) that this team is not going places and we lack quality, especially in the midfield and attack. Don’t go changing your tone now Ole, you said you were happy with the squad, something you apperently are not.
I still like the guy, he is a positive fella and a club legend, but unfortunately he will not survive as out manager. It’s just a matter of time now, a dead man walking.
Somehow I can still enjoy this dumpster fire of a club, there is also beauty in the struggle.
Now he says that we lack the quality to win those one goal games. It was clear from day one (this season) that this team is not going places and we lack quality, especially in the midfield and attack. Don’t go changing your tone now Ole, you said you were happy with the squad, something you apperently are not.
I still like the guy, he is a positive fella and a club legend, but unfortunately he will not survive as out manager. It’s just a matter of time now, a dead man walking.
Somehow I can still enjoy this dumpster fire of a club, there is also beauty in the struggle.
The problem is that standards have dropped to a level where we aren't surprised by losing away to a Bournemouth.
We're sitting 10th, which by United's standards is a disgrace as far into the season as November, but there's a sort of calm around it, as we won a couple of games recently.
I dare say we can win most of the next few games, so the pressure eases again.
I genuinely don't know what "failure" is classed as this year. Other years it was obviously not making top 4, but now it's changed.
We're sitting 10th, which by United's standards is a disgrace as far into the season as November, but there's a sort of calm around it, as we won a couple of games recently.
I dare say we can win most of the next few games, so the pressure eases again.
I genuinely don't know what "failure" is classed as this year. Other years it was obviously not making top 4, but now it's changed.
That's an impossible question to answer for a manager. As if the answer is "No", there's instantly more questions on either him or the owners.
Yes let's correct the stats for a 'truer reflection' by taking out the good results
.And it's a problem with the club more than him as a manager. That's clear to any neutral. He's not free of blame, but he's far from the problem at Spurs right now.
We are 10 points behind top four at this early stage of the season, surely this is ground for a sack?
But we also must address Woodward, he has been incompetent in football terms and his resistance to appointing a DOF has been responsible for this shambles we are currently seeing.
In my opinion, both should not be in a job.
But we also must address Woodward, he has been incompetent in football terms and his resistance to appointing a DOF has been responsible for this shambles we are currently seeing.
In my opinion, both should not be in a job.
Bayern lose 5-1 and Kovac is outed immediately despite winning the league last season.
Woodward and the Glazers are an embarrassment.
Woodward and the Glazers are an embarrassment.
I literally watched the game so don't know what you are shiteing on about.
Like obviously there is not much in it but to say spurs are worse than us as some blanket statement is really disengenious and has no real place in reality other than you needed a decent team to slag off.
This is the most shocking and scary thing for me. We’ve hit a low I never expected. Expectations are so low that we can keep performing horribly and it somehow is allowed to happen week after week.
Real club but we haven't been one since the Glazer's took over and our fans are complicit in allowing it.
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