Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Mainoldo]

AWB.... people need to remember he’s not the finished package.. question is is Ole the manager to develop him into the complete modern day world class fullback that he probably would become under a decent manager?

Same applies to James with his development, and also Maguire

The answer is no, which is even more damning. AWB needs to be getting drilled and getting ball into the box. James always is very raw. Hell Rashford still needs developing.

 

[starman]

We didn’t lack creativity we was just nowhere near there goal. As I explained earlier they didn’t outplay us because they didn’t have to. We are easy to beat. Just give us the ball. Bournemouth will not play like this all season, they did a tactical job on us and it worked.

We practically had the ball for all of the last 15 minutes and most of the first half doing nothing with it and if you think its all down to coaching, I would love to know of this coach that will turn mctominay, Fred and Pereira in to these ball players that will break down teams with ease

 

[2 man midfield]

I wonder how long he's got. When the fixtures actually start to get difficult, he could be in serious trouble. I just feel awful for him.

 

[BusbyMalone]

It’s not the tactics. We just don’t have players that are good enough. Andreas Perreria is a nothing footballer along with Jesse Lingard.

We are still playing Ashley Young on a weekly basis at leftback who is a failed winger. Our CM consists of Fred and Mctominay who let’s face it don’t have a creative pass in them. Mctominay, bless him, give his all but he’s not the solution. You aren’t going to build a team around Mctominay are you?

Our forwards can’t hold up a ball and rely on space in behind. Rashford and Martial aren’t good enough to lead the line. It’s just sad times. Until real investment is pumped into this club we are just going to have to make do with this average rubbish that gets served up on a regular basis. Unfortunately, We aren’t as good as we used to be...

I mean, it is partly the tactics - or lack thereof. Granted we haven't got great players, but it's also very hard to see what we're trying to do most of the time. Our play in the final third is atrocious, and we seem to rely on the counter attack. Now, that's all well and good against a small minority of teams, but 90% of the teams we play aren't going to allow us to utilise this. That's where the lack of system, cohesion and patterns comes back to bite us on the arse.

 

[Mainoldo]

We practically had the ball for the last 15 minutes and most of the first half doing nothing with it and if you think its all down to coaching, I would love to know of this coach that will turn mctominay, Fred and Pereira in to these ball players that will break down teams with ease

In the last 15 mins with substitutional changes. That’s not good enough. You cannot create chances if your are not in and around the box. They are not magicians. Rashford can’t be expected to belt 30 yard screamers every game.

What coach? are you being serious. Top of the league has Wiljdruim, Fabinho and Henderson in the middle. Who the hell is the creative magician in that midfield?

We need to stop believing we need 5 world class players just to play good football. You can play good football with Wilson; Cook and whoever Bournemouth have. I don’t even bloody know there’s names in all honesty.

 

[el3mel]

Because that's the market, VVD himself has raised the prices. But whats the similar effect? VVD was also joining a CL club already in the knockout stages.

The prices were raised before VVD, not because of him. City were paying 50m for Stones 2 years before that. There's no team that pays such money for a mere upgrade. You pay that sum of money for a player, you of course will have bigger expectations for him to be revolutionary in such position, otherwise why did you spend that much money? Could have either paid a 40-50m for a less known or even kept Smalling while spending the money on midfield or attack who were in desperate need for reinforcement. Taking decision to pay that much for a defender and prioritzing him over other positions means you expect ridiculous effect from him.

Is it too much to expect a performance from a player corresponding to what we actually paid for him?

 

[starman]

In the last 15 mins with substitutional changes. That’s not good enough. You cannot create chances if your are not in and around the box. They are not magicians. Rashford can’t be expected to belt 30 yard screamers every game.

What coach? are you being serious. Top of the league has Wiljdruim, Fabinho and Henderson in the middle. Who the hell is the creative magician in that midfield?

We need to stop believing we need 5 world class players just to play good football. You can play good football with Wilson; Cook and whoever Bournemouth have. I don’t even bloody know there’s names in all honesty.

Fabinho is very good at dictating play, Wiljdruim has always been a goal threat, iirc was top scorer for Newcastle when he was there. Henderson is just your workhouse. Liverpool also have highly creative full backs.
United have 3 work horse midfielders and average FBs going forward.

 

[Leftback99]

Delusion of how good our players are but you then name Wilson, Cook and Brooks. The irony.

Was Wilson a better youth prospect than Pereira? It’s doesn’t mean much but just interested on your opinion on that one.

Being a youth 'prospect' means next to nothing once players play senior football. 'Sure things' don't make it and others come from nowhere and do. I've watched Pereira since his u18 days.

Harry Wilson is still young and pretty highly rated, Cook (England u21 captain) and Brooks have done more in England than Pereira ever has.

Their strikers Callum Wilson and King got 14 and 12 PL goals last season. Totals none of our players have ever matched.

James has started well but people on here will be talking about him being World Class if he matches Ryan Frasers goals and assists last season (7-14).

But yeah let's keep believing all our players are superstars and we're playing against the Bournemouth Farmers club XI.

 

[El Jefe]

Got rid of Lukaku without replacing him. Rom is currently banging in the goals for Inter.
Sent Smalling out on loan. Smalling is playing superb and proving he's the best defender we had.
Gave Mata, Jones and Pereira new contracts.
Lost Herrera in the summer but could only identify Sean Longstaff as a replacement.

Sack him. His judgement for a manager is absolutely horrible.

 

[Mainoldo]

Fabinho is very good at dictating play, Wiljdruim has always been a goal threat, iirc was top scorer for Newcastle when he was there. Henderson is just your workhouse. Liverpool also have highly creative full backs.
United have 3 work horse midfielders and average FBs going forward.

Good at dictating play compared to who? He’s a good destroyer but he’s not amazing at dictating play. He’s no better than Matic on the ball. Yes he’s very good in the air and use to be an alright winger.. but are you telling me our midfield gets better if we swap him for Fred for instance?

Yes Liverpool have an identity. Which is my point. Solskjaer’s had this team for 12 months. What is his plan and what is his identity. Basically what is he building? It’s not anything like Pool for instance as he just spent £50m on a defensive RB. But I’m all honesty I don’t think he brought him with anything in mind except for he’s good.

 

[thejtrain]

Having managed us for nearly the same number of games, his win percentage is much less than Moyes', despite that unbelievable run of games during his reign as our caretaker manager. Why some fans would still want us to keep him, I'll never know. It's not just the results; he's as clueless as it gets at pretty much every aspect of management. Just put us and Ole out of misery FFS!

 

[T00lsh3d]

I wonder how long he's got. When the fixtures actually start to get difficult, he could be in serious trouble. I just feel awful for him.

We’ll let it go on far too long....by the time it happens it’ll be a mercy killing, probably be a relief for him

 

[Mainoldo]

Being a youth 'prospect' means next to nothing once players play senior football. 'Sure things' don't make it and others come from nowhere and do. I've watched Pereira since his u18 days.

Harry Wilson is still young and pretty highly rated, Cook (England u21 captain) and Brooks have done more in England than Pereira ever has.

Their strikers Callum Wilson and King got 14 and 12 PL goals last season. Totals none of our players have ever matched.

James has started well but people on here will be talking about him being World Class if he matches Ryan Frasers goals and assists last season (7-14).

But yeah let's keep believing all our players are superstars and we're playing against the Bournemouth Farmers club XI.

I know about the prospects which is why i said it doesn’t mean much. But you still haven’t answered the question.

They’ve done more in England because they play for a Lower level team and aren’t under the same pressure. I mean both Brooks and Wilson were released from City and Pool.

 

[Leftback99]

I know about the prospects which is why i said it doesn’t mean much. But you still haven’t answered the question.

They’ve done more in England because they play for a Lower level team and aren’t under the same pressure. I mean both Brooks and Wilson were released from City and Pool.

Your question, was Wilson a better youth prospect than Pereira? No idea, don't know how you would measure it.

 

[starman]

Good at dictating play compared to who? He’s a good destroyer but he’s not amazing at dictating play. He’s no better than Matic on the ball. Yes he’s very good in the air and use to be an alright winger.. but are you telling me our midfield gets better if we swap him for Fred for instance?

Yes Liverpool have an identity. Which is my point. Solskjaer’s had this team for 12 months. What is his plan and what is his identity. Basically what is he building? It’s not anything like Pool for instance as he just spent £50m on a defensive RB. But I’m all honesty I don’t think he brought him with anything in mind except for he’s good.

Are you kidding me, are you taking the piss?

I am one of the ones that is giving Fred time, but Fabinho has much more quality and composure on the ball then him.And hes much better than Matic, he pushes the ball forward and gets the team up the pitch. Matic predominantly knocks it side to side.
Yes, he would improve our midfield massively.

 

[wr8_utd]

Sack. Always sack

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Is this still a debate Sack him for Christs sake

 

[Foxbatt]

It’s not the tactics. We just don’t have players that are good enough. Andreas Perreria is a nothing footballer along with Jesse Lingard.

We are still playing Ashley Young on a weekly basis at leftback who is a failed winger. Our CM consists of Fred and Mctominay who let’s face it don’t have a creative pass in them. Mctominay, bless him, give his all but he’s not the solution. You aren’t going to build a team around Mctominay are you?

Our forwards can’t hold up a ball and rely on space in behind. Rashford and Martial aren’t good enough to lead the line. It’s just sad times. Until real investment is pumped into this club we are just going to have to make do with this average rubbish that gets served up on a regular basis. Unfortunately, We aren’t as good as we used to be...

It is exactly the tactics that is the problem. You simply cannot try to play like Barcelona or Liverpool without the players they have. This is exactly where Ole is getting found out. Any other decent manager would get the tactics to get the best out what he has. Not what he thinks they should try to play.

This is why he has no clue. He sold the players who would have got him results this season without replacing them. Getting rid of Sanchez I have no issues only because he is injured most of the time. But to get rid of Fellaini and Lukaku and Smalling is simply idiotic.
As for Young, he does not have to play him at left back. He should have sold him last summer instead of making him the Captain. Who made Young captain? Ole.

 

[momo83]

Sack. Always sack

If there’s a fire give it time for once.... because people always call the fire brigade and fires don’t stop

 

[Vernon Philander]

Changed my vote. He gotta go

 

[In Rainbows]

It is exactly the tactics that is the problem. You simply cannot try to play like Barcelona or Liverpool without the players they have. This is exactly where Ole is getting found out. Any other decent manager would get the tactics to get the best out what he has. Not what he thinks they should try to play.

This is why he has no clue. He sold the players who would have got him results this season without replacing them. Getting rid of Sanchez I have no issues only because he is injured most of the time. But to get rid of Fellaini and Lukaku and Smalling is simply idiotic.
As for Young, he does not have to play him at left back. He should have sold him last summer instead of making him the Captain. Who made Young captain? Ole.

Klopp had Liverpool playing his style from minute 1. They just leaked a lot of goals. This, without a transfer window, no summer to work on tactics, and flops from Rodgers still there. Not saying you're wrong in regards to needing to tweak things, but it's also a case that Ole can't even get United to be resembling a great attacking side in the first place.

 

[Mr Smith]

Have said before, there's no point sacking him unless we can get a replacement that will make us seriously competitive. I don't think he's necessarily good enough, but neither are the players. Its not like the Mourinho or Van Gaal situations where the manager was making the club toxic and the manager had to go no matter what.

The players are plainly not good enough; if we're going to change manager, we need one with a clear strategy on how to improve our current situation.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

At this point I don't really mind even if Sam Allardyce were to take over as care taker manager. At least we will show more fight and has proper defensive structure to our game. We may also fluke to win Europa League and qualify for champions league. Under Ole, I don't see any future at all. He manage to make winning 1-0 over Partizan look like a great result. How low can we set the bar for Ole?

 

[BlueHaze]

Actually going through the league and taking manager by manager he probably comes out as the worst for me. I just can't comprehend how he is having us play so badly and how he is turning us into a losing mentality club. Every single game we go into under him against any single side out there I feel like there's a 70% chance we'll end up losing. I also thought that when we appointed him if things did eventually turn out this way he would man up and resign but I was clearly wrong about that.. I mean, in what world does he actually think he is up for the job?

He's beyond out of his depth. All this bs talk about time and rebuilding is the worst part about it. You can't ask for time if all you do is lose and draw accompanied with disastrous crap football being played. He's going to end up getting sacked and with the people in charge finding the right fit is going to take a long, long time with even more managers being sacked along the way.

Hate to say it, but it's the truth.

What we are witnessing is a result of years of incompetence from upstairs.

 

[dasty]

Ole has 25% win rate since he was made permanent. 7 wins in 28 games. To put things into perspective, Leicester sacked Shakespeare after 42% win rate in 26 games and Puel after 34% win rate in 67 games. Watford sacked Javi Garcia after 38% win rate in 66 games. Brighton sacked Hughton after 41% win rate in 215 games. Marco Silva is at risk of being sacked by Everton after 42% win rate in 55 games. Even a club of similar stature as us - Emery at Arsenal is a dead man walking at 58% win rate in 74 games.

Yet people here tolerate his absolutely horrendous record for us simply because "he is fecked by our board, he needs more time, more money, more players". And they are purely giving out those excuses because he was a legendary player for us. Not because of his managerial abilities.

 

[devilish]

Ole has 25% win rate since he was made permanent. 7 wins in 28 games. To put things into perspective, Leicester sacked Shakespeare after 42% win rate in 26 games and Puel after 34% win rate in 67 games. Watford sacked Javi Garcia after 38% win rate in 66 games. Brighton sacked Hughton after 41% win rate in 215 games. Marco Silva is at risk of being sacked by Everton after 42% win rate in 55 games. Even a club of similar stature as us - Emery at Arsenal is a dead man walking at 58% win rate in 74 games.

Yet people here tolerate his absolutely horrendous record for us simply because "he is fecked by our board, he needs more time, more money, more players". And they are purely giving out those excuses because he was a legendary player for us. Not because of his managerial abilities.

But but long term plan, culture and British core

 

[Member 118776]

He's out of his depth clearly. But unless relegation becomes a serious concern give him the chance to step down at the end of the season.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Ole has 25% win rate since he was made permanent. 7 wins in 28 games. To put things into perspective, Leicester sacked Shakespeare after 42% win rate in 26 games and Puel after 34% win rate in 67 games. Watford sacked Javi Garcia after 38% win rate in 66 games. Brighton sacked Hughton after 41% win rate in 215 games. Marco Silva is at risk of being sacked by Everton after 42% win rate in 55 games. Even a club of similar stature as us - Emery at Arsenal is a dead man walking at 58% win rate in 74 games.

Yet people here tolerate his absolutely horrendous record for us simply because "he is fecked by our board, he needs more time, more money, more players". And they are purely giving out those excuses because he was a legendary player for us. Not because of his managerial abilities.

What a damming statistic. This shows that Glazers and Ed are absolutely incompetence to say the least. They have no business near any football club let alone running the biggest football club in the world.

Some of our fans still want to give Ole more time and money because he had made 3 good signings, that's all! Given more time and money he will ultimately make it because we had managers with good CV before but failed.

 

[Escobar]

Is this still a debate Sack him for Christs sake

A lot still cant see any wrongdoing by Ole. Some astonishing excuses and like Ole, they are lost in a romantic wonderland

 

[The Leader]

One trick pony manager. All Ole know is counter attack. Once we fall behind there's no way back. A half decent manager would try to make something happen by switch tactic / formation. Even my mum and the dog know what is Ole's games plan :

1) Counter, counter and counter
2) Pass the ball to fast runner, let them run into the box and pray opposition stupid enough to concede a penalty.
3) Pray for Rashy worldie free kick, which usually happen in 1 out of 30 attempts.
4) After concede, sitting cluelessly on the chair and start to think of excuses to say during post match.
5) Rinse and repeat

He is really tactically inept. Never thought I would say this to any of United manager, not even Moyes. For once I think if Moyes would be given more time, thing could be much better. Don't you guy think the player that left is because they doesn't want to be coach by a mediocre at best manager?

Darkest time ahead, after my 40 years die hard support of this club.

 

[Bobcat]

Have said before, there's no point sacking him unless we can get a replacement that will make us seriously competitive. I don't think he's necessarily good enough, but neither are the players. Its not like the Mourinho or Van Gaal situations where the manager was making the club toxic and the manager had to go no matter what.

The players are plainly not good enough; if we're going to change manager, we need one with a clear strategy on how to improve our current situation.

This. Everyone is frustrated about the results, but going on yet another round of sack and hire just because fans want someone to blame is utterly senseless. If we replaced him with someone who is marginally better or someone who is great at grinding out draws it would still not be enough and we would be looking for yet another manager not long after

 

[Escobar]

But but long term plan, culture and British core

He will redefine The United Way

 

[devilish]

He will redefine The United Way

The tragedy is that the United way doesn't exist. The Sir Alex who won the treble with kids was also the same Sir Alex who went full muppet mode between 1988 and 1989 and was also the same Sir Alex who took a cautious approach in his last season by relying on a cynical/defensive football that relied heavily on his veterans + RVP's finishing. You might not know but Sir Alex is close friends with Lippi. The former was the better manager however I can't help thinking how the latter was able to develop the likes of Conte, Zidane and deschamps while our legend left us with a legacy made up of the likes of Gaz, Keane and frigging Ole. It remind of HBO's tv series Succession were you've got an ageing self made billionaire on top with absolute idiots as kids planning to succeed him. Ole does remind me of Kendall while Gaz has some shades of Roman in him tbh.

 

[NK86]

Have said before, there's no point sacking him unless we can get a replacement that will make us seriously competitive. I don't think he's necessarily good enough, but neither are the players. Its not like the Mourinho or Van Gaal situations where the manager was making the club toxic and the manager had to go no matter what.

The players are plainly not good enough; if we're going to change manager, we need one with a clear strategy on how to improve our current situation.

How was LvG making the club toxic? No matter what, his style of football was very clear from the get go. We have no idea what Ole wants to do. As for no better options, absolutely nobody in the PL will take him. How does that translate to no one better than him being available?

 

[thepolice123]

The tragedy is that the United way doesn't exist. The Sir Alex who won the treble with kids was also the same Sir Alex who went full muppet mode between 1988 and 1989 and was also the same Sir Alex who took a cautious approach in his last season by relying on a cynical/defensive football that relied heavily on his veterans + RVP's finishing. You might not know but Sir Alex is close friends with Lippi. The former was the better manager however I can't help thinking how the latter was able to develop the likes of Conte, Zidane and deschamps while our legend left us with a legacy made up of the likes of Gaz, Keane and frigging Ole. It remind of HBO's tv series Succession were you've got an ageing self made billionaire on top with absolute idiots as kids planning to succeed him. Ole does remind me of Kendall while Gaz has some shades of Roman in him tbh.

Tbf I don't think you can really blame Fergie that none of his players turned out to be world-class managers. Those type of people are pretty rare in football and you need a certain element of luck. Even the football culture in the country plays a part in it. For every Zidane, Conte, Deschamps, Guardiola, there's Inzaghi, Gattuso, Seedorf, Henry, Adams, Souness, Shearer. Even like Bobby Charlton flopped in his first managerial stint and got the club relegated.

When's the last a good or potentially world-class manager came from Britian? Nevermind someone that actually win titles.

 

[devilish]

Tbf I don't think you can really blame Fergie that none of his players turned out to be world-class managers. Those type of people are pretty rare in football and you need a certain element of luck. Even the football culture in the country plays a part in it. For every Zidane, Conte, Deschamps, Guardiola, there's Inzaghi, Gattuso, Seedorf, Henry, Adams, Souness, Shearer. Even like Bobby Charlton flopped in his first managerial stint and got the club relegated.

When's the last a good or potentially world-class manager came from Britian? Nevermind someone that actually win titles.

I am blaming our players who would rather believe this United way nonsense then bother learning the job from the very best.

 

[thepolice123]

I am blaming our players who would rather believe this United way nonsense then bother learning the job from the very best.

I think it just speaks more about the football culture in the country.

Spain, Italy and Germany consistently produce good/great managers. We have none.

 

[FootyGirl88]

But but long term plan, culture and British core

This is what people need to realise, we can still continue with the long term plan without Ole. Poch for example was doing the same thing at Spurs not long ago. Good brand of football with a core of British players (Walker, Rose, Dier, Alli, Kane).

Ole isn't the right person to implement this plan going forward, his coaching and tactics aren't good enough.

 

[red4ever 79]

Greenwood got his custom 10 mins yesterday and still was more dangerous than Lingard or Perriera who again were given ample time to stink up the place. Williams was given 10 mins and created more chances than captain bird shirt. Bu Ole believes in he youngsters and trusts in the process

 

[devilish]

I think it just speaks more about the football culture in the country.

Spain, Italy and Germany consistently produce good/great managers. We have none.

That's true. I've never seen anyone putting so much emphasis on sound bites like workrate, culture, knowing the club and doing the job then the UK football people. Just look at the class of 92 were top players like Giggs, Scholes and Beckham are ganged up with erm Phil and Butt as if the latter were equally important

However you expect people who spent decades under Sir Alex to learn something