Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild

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mav_9me said:


This would be only reason to support him. But for me he hasn't done a good job of playing youngsters. What he has done is only really given Mctominay a lot of gametime, some to Greenwood and Tuanzebe. Feel those 2, along with Gomes should have gotten more. Happier with Williams and Garner getting gametime now. If we lose with these guys it's easier to take rather than same old shite with Young /Rojo/Perreira/Mata.
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Any manager can play youngster. Put me as manager i can throw in 3 youngster a game, no problem.

Doing so while winning and maintaining title challenge is the hard part.
 
mav_9me said:


This would be only reason to support him. But for me he hasn't done a good job of playing youngsters. What he has done is only really given Mctominay a lot of gametime, some to Greenwood and Tuanzebe. Feel those 2, along with Gomes should have gotten more. Happier with Williams and Garner getting gametime now. If we lose with these guys it's easier to take rather than same old shite with Young /Rojo/Perreira/Mata.
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So he only realised he had those players on Thursday night. I thought this guy knew about his youth. Plus where the hell is Chong and Gomes.
 
Sky1981 said:
Alot better state?

How the hell would a relegated battler team a better state?
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If you think United will be relegated then there is really no point in trying to talk to you .. Seriously the drama queen's like yourself on here flapping about like it's the end of the world . We have got rid of so much shit which was needed our 3 new signings have been our best players we need a few more in Jan and more next summer but it will get better. So in the meantime I will keep going to the games supporting my team and manager and you can stay on here and complain because it's not 2008 anymore
 
BenitoSTARR said:
With injuries to the squads only creative outlets...

Take the two best players out of Liverpool and they suffer.

I think he’s been unlucky rather than bad and as for clear ideas when fully fit we saw what can happen.
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Id agree with this . As bad as we have been Ole has been seriously unlucky with injuries to so many players .. I think we have one of the lowest goals conceded this season it's at the other end we are struggling and it's there where the injuries have hit us hardest . Also I think Ole has seen that the likes of Chong and Gomes just arnt ready for 1st team football
 
Tel074 said:
If you think United will be relegated then there is really no point in trying to talk to you .. Seriously the drama queen's like yourself on here flapping about like it's the end of the world . We have got rid of so much shit which was needed our 3 new signings have been our best players we need a few more in Jan and more next summer but it will get better. So in the meantime I will keep going to the games supporting my team and manager and you can stay on here and complain because it's not 2008 anymore
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A few more on January, what world are you living in?. They could only get 3 in the summer when they knew there were all these gaps in the squad. January will be a short term but another window of waiting for right players.

Staggers me how much emphasis people are placing on next two windows, it’s like no one knows the reality of what will actually happen. Next summer will be an even tougher window, no European football and club in a state and supposed to believe it’s all going to be better.
 
hobbers said:
The worst of the lot - "We tried two experienced and proven managers and (even though they both won us titles) they ultimately didnt work out, so therefore we must only go for absolute nobodies who no other top club would even entertain putting on their coaching staff, let alone hiring as manager."
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My last two girlfriends were really attractive but both of them dumped me so I'm now only targeting fat, frumpy women despite not finding them attractive and ultimately being unhappy in their presence and unsatisfied in bed.
 
Tel074 said:
If you think United will be relegated then there is really no point in trying to talk to you .. Seriously the drama queen's like yourself on here flapping about like it's the end of the world . We have got rid of so much shit which was needed our 3 new signings have been our best players we need a few more in Jan and more next summer but it will get better. So in the meantime I will keep going to the games supporting my team and manager and you can stay on here and complain because it's not 2008 anymore
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Pulling the top red card now eh?
 
Tel074 said:
If you think United will be relegated then there is really no point in trying to talk to you .. Seriously the drama queen's like yourself on here flapping about like it's the end of the world . We have got rid of so much shit which was needed our 3 new signings have been our best players we need a few more in Jan and more next summer but it will get better. So in the meantime I will keep going to the games supporting my team and manager and you can stay on here and complain because it's not 2008 anymore
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No club is too big to be relegated. It's this sort of hubris that has gotten us in the state. Whether you like it or not our form since March has been relegation form.

I'm sick of seeing the 3 new signings have been great. AwB has been injured, Maguire hasn't exactly set the world alight. James is the closest thing to a bright spark this season but seems teams are sussing him out because he's been ineffective in recent weeks.
 
mav_9me said:


This would be only reason to support him. But for me he hasn't done a good job of playing youngsters. What he has done is only really given Mctominay a lot of gametime, some to Greenwood and Tuanzebe. Feel those 2, along with Gomes should have gotten more. Happier with Williams and Garner getting gametime now. If we lose with these guys it's easier to take rather than same old shite with Young /Rojo/Perreira/Mata.
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Nope. He is only trying to appease the fans with 'playing youth comments'. How about the players he bought. We ought to be doing better but we are worse and look at the teams he bought the players from all above us currently. He is a terrible manager.

Leicester are 3rd in table after getting rid of Maguire

Crystal Palace are 6th after getting rid of Bissaka

Manchester United are 15th after acquiring both of them.
 
b82REZ said:
No club is too big to be relegated. It's this sort of hubris that has gotten us in the state. Whether you like it or not our form since March has been relegation form.

I'm sick of seeing the 3 new signings have been great. AwB has been injured, Maguire hasn't exactly set the world alight. James is the closest thing to a bright spark this season but seems teams are sussing him out because he's been ineffective in recent weeks.
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This "Ole's signing have all been great" is funny to hear indeed :lol: We spend a world record fee for a defender who we have been linked with last year, surely you would expect him to be better than fecking Bailly, Rojo and Jones. Signing a RB that half of RedCafe wold have signed is not a rocket science as well. Then we have James, he has been OK so far but jury's still out. How many players we had during the years that started well just to turn into shite?
 
TheRedDevil'sAdvocate said:
What makes you think there aren't any review points? Some just choose to ignore most of them with the hope that things will improve in the future. This can happen when the "project" and the "role" of the supervisor are being treated not for what they are but as some strange fetishes. United could be in the 20th place on the PL table, Woodward might sell Pogba and replace him with Longstaff and Rice, other teams will be miles ahead of us and you will still get many people talking about the "United way", the young and hungry players and the right culture.

It's the same with the manager. First, they fantasize about the new Ferguson who will stay here for the next 20 years and reshape the club in his own image and then the role becomes more important than the actual person in charge. What's the manager's job? Win matches and make his team look better than the sum of its parts, right? Not at United, apparently. Here you can be a constant failure but it's alright as long as you do things a certain way. All you need is time because, eventually, the "role" itself will do the job for you. And so you willfully choose to ignore all the negative review points, you find all plausible excuses and you just wait.

Just go to any other forum and ask this simple question: Come next May, who would you choose to become your manager, Solskjaer or Allegri? See what you'll come up with. Here they'll tell you that "although Allegri may be the better manager, Solskjaer is better suited to get us forward" Because he gets what the club is all about. The other one is better only at winning football matches. So feck him.
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Welcome to the 'Manchester United Way' Show 2013- 20........

What you typed is exactly what is wrong with us as club. We will continue to languish in mediocrity untill we stop playing romantic cards with managers and decisions.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
You can only have those plans if you can get the players in too. I’d rather not have an unmotivated Lukaku and shit Sanchez.

The thing is we are truly fecked and I think people believe that because I think Ole should stay I’m optimistic but it’s not it’s based on reality of our situation. We are not a top 4 squad for quality but we are on our way in terms of recruitment.


What was the alternative to this? Keep Lukaku who wanted out?


What I can see which others clearly can’t is that the club is currently shit. We’ve been shit for years and now suddenly people are blaming the latest manager rather than looking at the real problem with is the recruitment of shit.

What I’m fed up of is people blaming a manger time and time again. Mourinho was blamed despite working minor miracles to get us to second and now Ole is being blamed for the sins of the father.

Why can people not accept that actually it is going to take us 3 years like Liverpool etc to actually challenge for something seriously and that to do that requires us to recruit very carefully and we’ve just been unlucky with injuries.

What is blind and idiotic is to say that blame lies with Ole for a situation that is beyond anyone’s control.

You take any club in the PL bar City and remove their two best players for nearly two months and see how they cope. Now bear in mind our squad is way off a top squad because we have a lot of players learning their trade or just plain ol shit shows who we can’t sell as we can’t buy enough in one window.

That’s not Ole’s fault it’s the fault of whoever has been making transfer choices in the 5 years prior as well.

Sir Alex used to plan for 5 year cycles and look how we did he never looked just at one season expect his last where he brought in the leagues best striker and low and behold when you buy world class players you get world class results.

We can’t buy world class anymore they want Real Madrid, Barcelona or Juventus etc and so we can buy best of any PL club bar Spurs, City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal but for inflated fees.

If we keep chopping and changing it’s just going to continue to stifle our success so we have two options.

Sack Ole but get a DOF.
Keep Ole to over see the transition then upgrade manager.

I don’t think Ole will win us the PL but I trust him to find the right players for the club above all else.
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May take forever with the current inept manager in charge. A manager still in the dugout because of the club's penchant for sentimentality.

Contradicted yourself there. Why would you want a manager to remain at a club as big United when it's obvious to you he will never win us the league no matter how much is spent on transfers?

Like he has some special crystal balls to identify players. Of all the players in world football, he only signed the ones even my young cousin identified as targets two years ago and playing in the world's most popular league. Does that take a genius? Anyone could have done that. I'm sorry the man is seriously out of his depth and should have been sacked ages ago if we were actually interested in getting back to the top instead of chasing impossible fancy dreams of finding the next Fergie.
 
mav_9me said:


This would be only reason to support him. But for me he hasn't done a good job of playing youngsters. What he has done is only really given Mctominay a lot of gametime, some to Greenwood and Tuanzebe. Feel those 2, along with Gomes should have gotten more. Happier with Williams and Garner getting gametime now. If we lose with these guys it's easier to take rather than same old shite with Young /Rojo/Perreira/Mata.
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Garner doesn't look ready at all to me. Williams fair enough, I suppose.

Ole is winning people over but at the same time hurting us with this sort of logic.

When we buy no one in the window, because he believes in what he's got this place will be a war zone, but he's setting us up for it with this sort of talk.
 
I'm still "keep" but if we lose today & the performance is dire as usual then he should go.

I know City lost against Norwich but it's kinda an accident and they lost their 2 main CB.
 
Kemizee said:
Nope. He is only trying to appease the fans with 'playing youth comments'. How about the players he bought. We ought to be doing better but we are worse and look at the teams he bought the players from all above us currently. He is a terrible manager.

Leicester are 3rd in table after getting rid of Maguire

Crystal Palace are 6th after getting rid of Bissaka

Manchester United are 15th after acquiring both of them.
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Note they also didn’t replace the players we brought of them. But our season is a mess because we sold Lukaku :lol:
 
Lampard vs Ole isn't even a conversation at the moment and Lampards had half as long time if not less.
 
Roboc7 said:
A few more on January, what world are you living in?. They could only get 3 in the summer when they knew there were all these gaps in the squad. January will be a short term but another window of waiting for right players.

Staggers me how much emphasis people are placing on next two windows, it’s like no one knows the reality of what will actually happen. Next summer will be an even tougher window, no European football and club in a state and supposed to believe it’s all going to be better.
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How do you know deals are not already in place for January? The world I live in is reality unlike some of the people posting on here . United have been going down hill since Fergie left we have bought unbelievable badly and the clean up has started . Yes we left ourselves short but it had to happen we had players at the club who either didn't want to be here or they just are not good enough . I lived through the shite of the 80's and I know we won't win a league for quite a few years but I'm prepared to allow a manager a bit of time to get us back instead of sacking everyone when thinks look bad
 
b82REZ said:
No club is too big to be relegated. It's this sort of hubris that has gotten us in the state. Whether you like it or not our form since March has been relegation form.

I'm sick of seeing the 3 new signings have been great. AwB has been injured, Maguire hasn't exactly set the world alight. James is the closest thing to a bright spark this season but seems teams are sussing him out because he's been ineffective in recent weeks.
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I didn't say we are to big to be relegated I'm saying we won't be anywhere near it come May. No manager in the world could have this current squad top 4 but it has been worse than anyone thought . We have players coming back from injury and I'm sure it will get better
 
We're far more likely to be nearer the bottom of the table than the top if Ole survives the whole season, simply going off the evidence we've been made to witness.
 
There was a thread on here about can we get relegated, obviously I laughted it off but if we don't improve and stay bottom half of the league who knows...maybe the 47.1% can answer that?
 
Garner has looked quite terrible whenever I've seen him.

Just another in a long line of massively overhyped championship midfielders we've produced.
 
Will Singh said:
There was a thread on here about can we get relegated, obviously I laughted it off but if we don't improve and stay bottom half of the league who knows...maybe the 47.1% can answer that?
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Yeah i'd like to know why the 47.1% think he is the man turn around our fortunes. The evidence was there at the end of last season and it's continued into this season. Can someone enlighten me please.
 
hobbers said:
Garner has looked quite terrible whenever I've seen him.

Just another in a long line of massively overhyped championship midfielders we've produced.
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He's not even close to the finished article, very raw, not ready to play in the Premier League for a top club, or a club like us fighting for our lives to not go down.
 
Tel074 said:
How do you know deals are not already in place for January? The world I live in is reality unlike some of the people posting on here . United have been going down hill since Fergie left we have bought unbelievable badly and the clean up has started . Yes we left ourselves short but it had to happen we had players at the club who either didn't want to be here or they just are not good enough . I lived through the shite of the 80's and I know we won't win a league for quite a few years but I'm prepared to allow a manager a bit of time to get us back instead of sacking everyone when thinks look bad
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No one will be lined up, no one we wanted in the summer will be available and no player teams wouldn’t sell will now be for sale. That’s the reality, that’s how this club operates. We’re in a weaker position in terms of recruiting as well for January and the summer.

There was no need to be left this short it was a choice.
 
This is the most honest commited team I've seen since SAF. Keep signing well and we will be good again. Ole in 100%
 
Sack him, he can’t get us to score a penalty it’s a disgrace. Useless manager.
 
Roboc7 said:
No one will be lined up, no one we wanted in the summer will be available and no player teams wouldn’t sell will now be for sale. That’s the reality, that’s how this club operates. We’re in a weaker position in terms of recruiting as well for January and the summer.

There was no need to be left this short it was a choice.
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Honestly I'm a bit more optimistic than yourself . I'm not saying I'm right but if I don't believe we actually have some sort of plan then what's the point going to games
 
Rista said:
With the change of managers comes change of style, other clubs do it all the time. You're only talking about Liverpool having good foundations because Klopp brought them success. It will take time for us to challenge for major trophies again, yes, but it doesn't take that much time to at least implement some kind of cohesive football. We're so bad that the real question is WHY do people think former Cardiff and Molde manager is good enough for this allegedly impossible job? How can you watch us play and think this is the man to take us forward? Anything other than top 4 was seen as complete failure with previous managers. Even Mourinho's 2nd place wasn't seen as success by anyone. Why are people lowering the standards so much for Ole?
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They don't. At least not in such a significant way. Rodgers and Klopp have quite similar ideas about football. City played the most attractive football in the league before Pep took over. United could appoint any manager in world football and will still struggle for at least a year, I'd bet money on that.
 
Oh look we’re now 7th place after the return of one of our best players who held the ball up well and improved the creativity of the team. Who would’ve thought it?

And oh look the same player scored with a world class finish something we’ve been struggling to do recently I can’t think why?

Could it be that Ole does know what he’s doing but we’ve just been unlucky to be without our best attacker and CM?
 
BenitoSTARR said:
Oh look we’re now 7th place after the return of one of our best players who held the ball up well and improved the creativity of the team. Who would’ve thought it?

And oh look the same player scored with a world class finish something we’ve been struggling to do recently I can’t think why?

Could it be that Ole does know what he’s doing but we’ve just been unlucky to be without our best attacker and CM?
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The leap up to 7th is pretty amazing with one win! But certainly looks a hell of a lot better.
Have to follow this up away at Bournemouth and home to Brighton now.

Ole has been massively handicapped without Martial though.
 
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