What an insightful comment.C'mon
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Agreed. Ole needs several more windows to shape this team. His first window was a success in terms of the players he brought in. Our squad has been hit by too many injuries and it's shown in our results, but when everyone is fit I think we should see some good progress.
I'm quite tired of sacking managers and restarting from scratch. Let's give Ole some time (a couple of windows) regardless of results (as long as we are not battling relegation) and see where it takes us for the next year or 2. I am pretty sure we will see progress.
Can't agree with this. Sorry, but it's not like we've got a squad filled with journeymen. Bad transfers, yes, we've made a few, but it's not like we should be below the likes of Wolves, Palace etc. or even battling them. Further, it's not only results, but also style and patterns you look for when assessing a manager. Under Ole, we've had far too many games in which we didn't seem to have any sense of how to attack - and the players struggled to make even simple passes.
Yesterday was a massive step up from recent performances. We seemed to know what to do with the ball and players did show skill, movement and thinking beyond previous displays. That said, it was a team that afforded us acres of space, didn't put us under any pressure in the first half and didn't play the compact low-block that Newcastle (for example) effected on us. I'm delighted with the win, but will hold back on praising this as a corner turned until we win at least 3-4 more on the bounce with good style.
PS: I'd love nothing more than Ole succeeding, but I remain very unconvinced. One game isn't changing anything.
It depends on what yardstick you are using. Are we worse then Joses two first seasons? For sure, but we are in much, much better shape than Joses last season where we looked like we had given up before the ref even blew the whistle end there were constant media leaks of dressing room unrest. To be perfectly honest i wish Jose never had his meltdown and was still managing us since i am sure he would have won us the league in time, but as it played out we really had no other choice. That being said, Jose as always is the "instant success" kind of guy and ultimately he spent a lot of money while really leaving the squad in a worse state than when he arrived, buying for the present instead of the future
LvG had a much easier competitive environment, i mean Leichester won the league in his time here, and although the results were not half bad the football on display was just mind numbingly boring. That and combined with him also throwing money around on loads of dross and his blatant favoritism of certain players and the fans had gotten enough
Moyes its hard to make a fair comparison since its 6 years ago and a completely different squad. Moyes took over a squad of multiple CL and PL winners that just the year before had walked the league, so standards among fans were understandably much higher back then. It was clear we needed some fresh legs though, but when Moyes spent all summer star gazing instead, cleared out the entire backroom staff and then when he just signed Mata and fecking Fellaini his fate was already sealed
And i can only speak for myself, but that bolded part is just not true. We could have gotten Poch, Nagelsmann or Potter or literally anyone else in Oles shoes right now and my stance would be the same. Ironically i think its gotten to the point where him being a club legend is actually a negative for him right now since the people who want him out have the biggest strawman available right there. Even disregarding his past at the club, its pretty nice to have a manager that that is not breathing fire in press conferences, is rambling about philosophy or is talking about "aspiring to be like City" a couple of months after we beat them to the league by 12 points
And imo, there is progress:
- Fitness is better. I cant for the life of me find a stat for "distance covered" anywhere but i know we were dead last under Jose in the PL. We do tend to press much more aggressive now from time to time and it was pretty clear that fitness was bad when Ole got here, because the main reason (besides the injuries) for our good form turning rotten in March was how our players looked like they had ran a marathon by the 30 min mark from March and onwards
- We've shored up the defense. In fact, we have one of the best defensive records in Europe this season. And i know losing 3-4 is much more fun than losing 0-1, but defending is as much a part of football as attacking is, although the latter is much more popular for understandable reasons.
- Transfers in have been really, really good. And this is something i place a lot of value on since we are in a rebuild after all. People like to disregard AWB and Maguire as "obvious", but they still had to be signed and none of our other managers did that. In fact RB has been a problem since forever so cant Ole get some credit for finally signing a competent RB? Magure was expensive yes, but quality costs money. Much rather have one really good CB instead of spending the same money on several useless ones like Rojo and Baily. James for 15 million seems like a right steal. 3 goals and 2 assists already is damn good, he did not cost a fortune and hes a hard working likable young lad, not some expensive moaning twat like Di Maria
- Transfers out has also been mostly good. Darmian, Fellaini and Sanchez had to go, no need to explain those three. Lukaku, while a decent goal scorer was lazy as shit, turned out to be utterly unprofessional in the end and a bad influence in the dressing room. Smalling is alright at the defending part, but is a complete clown shoes with the ball at his feet and is always going to be a burden for a team trying to play from the back since he always panics and hoofs it the second someone closes him down. The big loss is Herrera. With him playing under Ole we had something like a 88% win rate and without him 50%, but him being gone is entirely on Woody and he had already signed a pre-contract with PSG when Ole arrived
- Hes given youth a lot of chances.
Dont know if i can call it an elephant in the room since its that obvious, but our key problem is creating chances and scoring goals. With Martial and hopefully Pogba back soon that should improve, but the fact that we are so dependent on them says something about how ridiculously thin this squad is. And before you say this is on Ole, i am sure more players will arrive in time, but this whole circus of throwing money around on big names, old players and utter dross ones is what has gotten us in the mess in the first place. It had to stop. Haaland in Salzburg looks like a right star and he has constantly praised Ole in the media and has very recently said he want to play for him again. Use Oles personal connection to lure him in and we just might have the CF spot settled for years.
I also think we have been better than the table suggests. We really deserved more than 2 points from Soton, Palace and Wolves. Had we won those as we should we would be at a pretty nice 20 points, which is only 2 behind City. Also consider that we have played 5 of the current top 6 and have played West Ham and Wolves away which are never easy and are only 10 games into the season. Newcastle away was admittedly a rotten performance, but even that one we hardly got outplayed and had Maguire scored that header that he would have scored 99/100 times the result would be different imo
So no. I dont think its as grim as many others. I can see some small improvements. I also dont see the point in sacking him NOW. What realistic benefits would we gain from hiring a new manager right now and more importantly. Who would want to take a job where you have to rebuild AND deliver straight away?
IF you get over excited and change to Ole In after beating Norwich you're reactive and exactly whats wrong with this place, jumping from side to side depending on the latest result.
I'm happy we won, but its changed nothing for me, one result won't change anything.
I'm happy we won, but its changed nothing for me, one result won't change anything.
Shame so many have such negative attitudes.
Still, I get plenty of amusement out of the long posts with detailed “analysis” of Ole’s deficiencies. Most of which can be summarised: Ole not win all games. Him little bad man.
I took only enjoyment from yesterday’s game. And hey, Ole’s still here and I’m genuinely delighted.
Still, I get plenty of amusement out of the long posts with detailed “analysis” of Ole’s deficiencies. Most of which can be summarised: Ole not win all games. Him little bad man.
I took only enjoyment from yesterday’s game. And hey, Ole’s still here and I’m genuinely delighted.
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We can sum up your post in the same way.
Couldn't we sum up your post in the same way.
Solskjaer good. Solskjaer stay. Ignore 24% win rate.
You mean to say "Ole barely wins any games" ?Genuinely funny seeing people get jubilant and be like "I told you Ole is the right man for the job", "we have turned the corner" after beating fecking Norwich, 2nd worst team in the league. It was a good enjoyable game but c'mon
Well I didn’t say he was good. I just said I’m happy he’s staying. The point being that it is difficult to rationally conclude whether he is good or bad based on the evidence so far (although many posters go to great lengths to prove the opposite which does make me chuckle). I don’t have the answers but I like Ole and I like the way he goes about things.
Still in.
We ran over Norwich, which beat City and almost held Chelsea to a draw. Yesterday Arsenal played draw against CP, and they probably didn't deserve more. We lost against CP at home, and we got robbed.
We have lost points due to a lack of good finishing and personal errors (both in defense and in missing several penalties).
My biggest worry has been the lack of chances created. We've looked clueless in many games. Yesterday we looked better. Hopefully, we'll get momentum now with Martial back in the team.
I'm not sure Ole is the right man for us in two years' time, but building for the future, I don't see anyone coming in with his patience.
We ran over Norwich, which beat City and almost held Chelsea to a draw. Yesterday Arsenal played draw against CP, and they probably didn't deserve more. We lost against CP at home, and we got robbed.
We have lost points due to a lack of good finishing and personal errors (both in defense and in missing several penalties).
My biggest worry has been the lack of chances created. We've looked clueless in many games. Yesterday we looked better. Hopefully, we'll get momentum now with Martial back in the team.
I'm not sure Ole is the right man for us in two years' time, but building for the future, I don't see anyone coming in with his patience.
NONE of our youngsters are remotely ready to impact our season this season. Axel might be but even that's a stretch, certainly he's not going to impact it enough o ensure we finish in the top 4-6.
There is also no guarantee they are ever going to be ready in general. Football is filled with stories of 'wasted potential' and academy players who have been hyped up only to end in League 1 two years later.
Ole needs to stop parroting this sentimental bullshit and focus entirely on improving the starting 11 with better coaching and a couple of signings if his master allows that, of course.
The youngsters are getting game-time where they can.
This remains a fruitless conversation. The club has nailed their colours to the mast; Ole is their man for the mid-to-long term and he’s going to be given time. Which I like.
The club must buy well, though. Within the next few transfer windows we shouldn’t be in a position in which the likes of Lingard, Pereira and Young are playing in the first team like they have been this season.
Ole knows what a Manchester United squad should look like. The club needs to help him make it happen.
The club must buy well, though. Within the next few transfer windows we shouldn’t be in a position in which the likes of Lingard, Pereira and Young are playing in the first team like they have been this season.
Ole knows what a Manchester United squad should look like. The club needs to help him make it happen.
Explain to me why you leave out the first games we played under OGS ? Or even the game we won yesterday.
Well, he knows what a United squad looks like from 1999 as a player. Whether that has translated to his view as a manager is anyone's guess, especially given his experience of a good squad as a manager is limited to Molde and Cardiff City.
Depends on what you defined as a "youngster". Arguably, McTominay has been one of our standout players this season; he's a youngster in most people's books. Rashford is hardly a grizzled warrior either. James and AWB have been bright spots and are young too. On the Academy lads alone, I'd say Axel is not just ready to impact the season, but probably in a good place to end the season ahead of Lindelof if he stays fit (based on his showings when he's played). Williams has looked good when he's got the chance and again, should end the season ahead of at least Young for LB. Obviously, it's too early to comment on Garner or others.
Now, none of these may end up in a Top10 list over their careers, but to say that "none of our youngsters" is "remotely ready to impact our season" is (to my mind) unfair and excessively negative.
Agree that we should improve the first 11 etc. etc. and that coaching could be better (I voted to sack, myself), but had to call this out...
As bad as LVG, Moyes and Jose were they never make man utd bottom half table team. It's embarrassing that man utd can drop this low after SAF.
Ole need to go no ifs and buts. Ed need to feck off from football decison and appoint a proper DOF for total revamp of the football structure of the club.
We need to do something real fast!
Ole need to go no ifs and buts. Ed need to feck off from football decison and appoint a proper DOF for total revamp of the football structure of the club.
We need to do something real fast!
It’s outrageous that the results keep fluctuating so much. Are people that fickle and daft that they can’t just stick to one option? Do people think a win against mediocre opposition should change sack to keep? Do people think one loss against weak opposition should change keep to sack?!
It actually begs belief.
It actually begs belief.
I love Ole. I like what the club is trying to do when it comes to player infrastructure, but for me this level is way to high for him. Manchester United will mainly play teams that is sitting back, after all this time the team have shown zero progress in games like this. And these are the games that define a season.
I was all for backing Ole, he has got the right idea's but as time goes on, I am starting to lean more to the letting him go spectrum of thing's, but then, even if Ole was to depart, we are still stuck with a lot of average or poor quality players, so it's a difficult situation all around, because there are a few players in the first team that really should be sold in the coming windows, but it's finding the right players to replace them.
For me the thing that has shown mostly since he has taken over is how spineless the team appears to be, I know Ole wants to keep it positive but there comes a point where you have to be mean.
For me the thing that has shown mostly since he has taken over is how spineless the team appears to be, I know Ole wants to keep it positive but there comes a point where you have to be mean.
Ole being a yes man hindered our team this past summer. If he had anything about him and stood up to Woodward and the Glazers we could of had the midfield and attacking reinforcements we needed.
Sack him
Changed my vote to sack now. The job is just way too big for him. It’s these lesser teams that we are struggling to tuck away.
Yes. Have you seen the euphoria after we beat Norwich? They were so happy to have "proven" the ones who want Ole out wrong, they truly believed Ole turned the corner and we got a few more classic threads created. They are deluded or just hate United.
We play like a midtable team and have a midtable manager (if that). Our results will be up and down all season.
Biggest fear with Ole is he will just do enough to scrape through all season and Woodward is so desperate he’ll stick with him. There either needs to be huge improvement or it needs to crash and burn so club has to do something. I suspect the latter but hope for the former.
Biggest fear with Ole is he will just do enough to scrape through all season and Woodward is so desperate he’ll stick with him. There either needs to be huge improvement or it needs to crash and burn so club has to do something. I suspect the latter but hope for the former.
Mind blowing results in that poll. Shows you how little the majority on here know about football. Has to be sacked.
This aged wellC'mon
He has to be sacked now. What is the reason for keeping him? If he is an old boy we might as well make Albert the manager? He has been a kit man for a very long time.
Keep until Pochettino becomes available
Well, he certainly knows United DNA so must be top of the candidates list.
Weird to see people changing their vote to sack now, we've seen this exact game so many times from Ole and this team. There's nothing new, we've been like this for so many months.
It’s incredible he’s last this long with those results really, I mean what has to happen for him to be sacked?
We play shitty brainless tacticless football, we don't create chances and we have showned zero improvement.
I don’t see any good reason for us to waste more time with him, it’s clear he won’t turn this over.
We play shitty brainless tacticless football, we don't create chances and we have showned zero improvement.
I don’t see any good reason for us to waste more time with him, it’s clear he won’t turn this over.
Yes and even worse these are the people our board wait on before pulling a plug on failing managers. Not having football men in charge has been brutal on the club.
I honestly don’t understand how anybody can think he is the right man for the job. His record as a manager speaks for itself and I’m not even sure if he could succeed in league 1.
I know it’s the dream to have a former great player come back and to be a big success as a manager but you’ve really got to put the sentiment aside sometimes.
I know it’s the dream to have a former great player come back and to be a big success as a manager but you’ve really got to put the sentiment aside sometimes.
Because our midfield is so crap, I'd hang on to ole until the end of next season. He's had a good chance to progress with our current squad, but the squad isn't good enough. Let's give him a chance to sign the right players in the transfer window, and see where he goes with it.
God bless you!
Honestly, this is based on what exactly? His excellent track record in football management? His special brand of football?
I like the fact that you still don’t think it’s him.
You do realise our midfield is crap because of him? He decided to get rid of Fellaini, yet had no one to replace him. Herrera left and he didn’t replace him.
The guy is a fraud
He’s worse than Moyes
We have actually managed to hire someone worse than Gollum
He’s worse than Moyes
We have actually managed to hire someone worse than Gollum
50% people still think that he is good enough? We deserve this shit then. I will change my vote for keep. Playing in Championship will be fun. More games, more fun, more everything.
"Failing manager. Let's give him 18 more months to see what happens". This isn't a lab experiment, he should only get that time if he's done enough to be given the benefit of the doubt.
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