We need more depth even if we bought all these players. We need another CM and a offensive player. It is a long season with plenty of matches, and with probably Rooney,Mata,Fellaini,Smalling/Jones leaving we need to add more. Before anyone says "but Mourinho played Mata and Fellaini" i will explain that we did not have any better options at the time and they are not typically Mourinho type players.
Would you be happy with Morata, Fabinho, Lindelof and Perisic?
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Good points regarding the underrating of how far he pushes opposing fullbacks. I'm probably guilty of it. I wish there was a reincarnation of Lahm we could sign though.
Can't believe the reaction. Would be an outstanding window
I'd be delighted. Quality players in areas that we need. Sure you could add a left full back to the mix, but if we don't get one it might mean Shaw gets another chance.
So yeah, I'd be happy with that quartet.
So yeah, I'd be happy with that quartet.
Would be a really good window IMO - addresses key weaknesses in the squad with 'Mourinho' type players.
Perisic is also a very good player, and will rip it up in the PL. Blasphemy I know, but there you go.
Perisic is also a very good player, and will rip it up in the PL. Blasphemy I know, but there you go.
I think too many people are just looking at them as individuals rather than the bigger picture. For example Fabinho is a wonderful player in his own right but the best part about signing him is releasing Pogba to be more of an attacking threat.
Younger players already with the squad will improve further also.
It's not all about signing the best individuals.
Younger players already with the squad will improve further also.
It's not all about signing the best individuals.
signing a Griezmann and Morata would've been an outstanding window. I believe just those 2 boosting our attack would be sufficient for a challenge as it was goals we lacked, compusure in the final 3rd, match winners. Instead, these signings are more reinforcing what we already good at.
I have serious doubts about Perisic and I think getting the AM signing right is absolutely key for us this summer, so I wouldn't be over the moon. It would still be a pretty good window though, three key needs in the starting XI filled and a decent squad player who offers depth and tactical flexibility isn't bad.
I still refuse to believe Perisic is our #1 target for AM/wide player though.
I still refuse to believe Perisic is our #1 target for AM/wide player though.
Still feel we neee right winger or AM in the Sane or Bernerdo Silva mould who leaves defenders in a twist whether through bursting past them or quality in tight spaces.
I don't know enough about any of these players to know if I'd be happy or unhappy. It'd be wait and see...but they all play in roles where we potentially could do with someone.
We need some kind of cover at left back though...preferably a new first choice left back unless Shaw is going to get his act together...but you can't expect Darmian to be cover for one side and first choice or cover for the other. Especially as apart from the last month of last season he hasn't looked particularly convincing anyway.
Everyone we signed last season was a significant improvement on what we had and all four of them would have been in our first choice line up by the end of the season if they were fit. If we can do the same again this year we'll obviously be in a good position.
We need some kind of cover at left back though...preferably a new first choice left back unless Shaw is going to get his act together...but you can't expect Darmian to be cover for one side and first choice or cover for the other. Especially as apart from the last month of last season he hasn't looked particularly convincing anyway.
Everyone we signed last season was a significant improvement on what we had and all four of them would have been in our first choice line up by the end of the season if they were fit. If we can do the same again this year we'll obviously be in a good position.
If we only end up with the 4 aforementioned players, i think it would be decent. My thoughts are that these players change the balance of the team. They provide solidity in defence and allow us to have more variety/options in attack. More flexibility. I can imagine a switch between 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 and even 3-5-2 easily. It would hopefully help us to make more use of our existing forwards.
I understand many people are clamoring for more world class wingers/forwards/10s like Griezeman, and there is no harm in adding quality to the squad, but we already have so many players in those positions. The more important thing for me, would be to see how we can make better use of those existing players.
From what I can see, the key thing about Perisic, if everything that is being said about him is true, is not that he is world class. He obviously isn't. The key point is that he offers something our existing forwards do not provide. Width on the left and tracking back.
Fabinho and Lindelof strengthens the defensive area of the team's spine. Perisic provides width and tracks back, allowing us to play Shaw and let him push forward. This means that we can have both fullbacks pushing on either side, stretching the play and hopefully this creates more space not just for Morata, but also for Pogba, Mkhitaryan, etc to score goals.
It's also more variety than what we have currently where everyone wants to cut in. Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan, even Rashford all cut in. Making us predictable and the central area congested. With the new purchases, we could go wide on the left, or go wide on the right or go wide on both sides. Less predictable and more options to create more space and target opponent weaknesses.
Morata, would also provide more pace on the ball, allowing us to play quicker counter attacks.
All in all, I think the aim was to have better balance, more width, more pace and more variety and I think these players achieve that.
Well that's how I imagine Mourinho's intentions, anyway. Just my 2 cents on the topic.
Edit: Also, for Lindelof, it's not just his age and physical profile that fits the team. He is also, by all accounts a ball playing defender, which again, offers something different to the team.
I understand many people are clamoring for more world class wingers/forwards/10s like Griezeman, and there is no harm in adding quality to the squad, but we already have so many players in those positions. The more important thing for me, would be to see how we can make better use of those existing players.
From what I can see, the key thing about Perisic, if everything that is being said about him is true, is not that he is world class. He obviously isn't. The key point is that he offers something our existing forwards do not provide. Width on the left and tracking back.
Fabinho and Lindelof strengthens the defensive area of the team's spine. Perisic provides width and tracks back, allowing us to play Shaw and let him push forward. This means that we can have both fullbacks pushing on either side, stretching the play and hopefully this creates more space not just for Morata, but also for Pogba, Mkhitaryan, etc to score goals.
It's also more variety than what we have currently where everyone wants to cut in. Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan, even Rashford all cut in. Making us predictable and the central area congested. With the new purchases, we could go wide on the left, or go wide on the right or go wide on both sides. Less predictable and more options to create more space and target opponent weaknesses.
Morata, would also provide more pace on the ball, allowing us to play quicker counter attacks.
All in all, I think the aim was to have better balance, more width, more pace and more variety and I think these players achieve that.
Well that's how I imagine Mourinho's intentions, anyway. Just my 2 cents on the topic.
Edit: Also, for Lindelof, it's not just his age and physical profile that fits the team. He is also, by all accounts a ball playing defender, which again, offers something different to the team.
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Yes. I am expecting our current players to develop and evolve too.
Can anybody explain why United would want to buy Ivan Perisic when you already have Mkhitaryan, Martial and Rashford. I dont see Perisic do that kind of a difference in comparison with Martial or Rashford.
I would be seriously delighted with those 4 coming in this summer. Jose is not going to get the squad he wants in two summers, it's going to take at least one more summer before we are looking at Jose's rebuilding work nearing completion. I'm happy to wait rather than buying players for the sake of it all at the same time. Give it another year and I'm sure he will bring in more quality players, who may not even be available this time around or have yet to make their mark.
Not one of them are natural wingers, or ready to make an impact for us consistently, bar Mkhitaryan.
No way. Not enough added to solve the goal scoring problems. These 4 with another goalscorer would be enough. Or Perisic needs to be replaced by someone like Bale, Sanchez or Greizmann.
If Griezmann is a done dealio for next year? Yea sure. Tho if Fabinho is seen as a CM id like a proper fullback. Shaw is hurt/ not rated by Jose (
) + Valencia is 32 in a few months and is unlikely to start getting any younger
) + Valencia is 32 in a few months and is unlikely to start getting any youngerThis would be a decent window. More attacking power.
Completely different player. Persic will do the defensive work up and down the line and stay wide when we attack rather than constantly driving inside.
Typical spoilt brat syndrome in here.
I don't think it should be defaulted to that. There is little doubt that the players would improve us, but whether it's sufficient to get back to competing for top honours is another matter.
I'm surprised we're not more interested in Sanchez, he only has a year left and is a similar age to Perisic. World class. Gets goals. Prem proven. Not even a signle link. Very strange, especially when you consider he's a quintessential Jose player too with his work rate.
Yeah trying buying griezman when he has decided to stay?
We have won titles and scored many goals and owned defenses across the epl and ucl , with the likes of nani antonio valencia, Jisung park, Ashley Young on the wings , havent we? Fergie never had to worry about parked defenses, he dismantled them with utmost ease. Its Simple tactics and balance we are fixing here to give options. Perisic price is the only concern but not his effectiveness in our attack.
Yep.
I'm sure they'll add things that weren't present at all last season and will make the system more functional and team better than sum of its parts. Morata and Perisic will surprise many people here I'm sure of it.
I'm sure they'll add things that weren't present at all last season and will make the system more functional and team better than sum of its parts. Morata and Perisic will surprise many people here I'm sure of it.
OP - substitute Fabinho with Matic in the title - seems more likely. Not sure if it would change anyone's responses though.
I was hoping we would get a. Attacking talent in he top 10 in the world. An X factor.
Looks like we are not.for that reason, I would be disappointed.
As long as the Glazers are happy spunking this sort of money for another few seasons, we will get there.
But we seriously need to, at some point, buy world class attackers.
Looks like we are not.for that reason, I would be disappointed.
As long as the Glazers are happy spunking this sort of money for another few seasons, we will get there.
But we seriously need to, at some point, buy world class attackers.
It would certainly change mine if we get Matic or 'jack of no trades' Dier instead. I'd go from satisfied to not very optimistic at all for the upcoming season.
We had that last season; we came 6th in the league. It's not all about buying that one player that turns things around, its about pulling some semblance of a team together and getting them to perform.
Correct. You'd think people would realise that after several years of throwing money around willy nilly and getting nowhere. We need a team, not a group of 11 players who look like they've just met. If anyone knows how to build a team that works together, it's Jose.
Fantastic window if we add these 4. It is more important to me that Jose develops existing squad members, unless that happens we remain "also rans". Even if we sign all 4.
Add Belotti to that list and we'll be good to go!
Add in mendy then yes, reasonably happy. Like it isnt amazing as we will be overpaying for all of them and none of them are established top players. We dont need established top players, but since we arent getting them of course it would be nice to get the others for lower prices.
Also we'll still lack goals in the team so it needs fixing. Best hope there is martial stepping up.
Also we'll still lack goals in the team so it needs fixing. Best hope there is martial stepping up.
In theory: no. We need a world class goalscorer. We already create plenty of chances and are also defensively solid. I don't think these players will solve our problems already next season. Will they improve us? Definitely. But will top 4 be almost guaranteed(as it should be)? No way!
But practically speaking, there aren't any world class goalscorers on the market. As for great goalscorers: Kane will cost a ridiculous amount of money and he doesn't necessarily want to join us. Aubameyang is a better player than Morata, but he doesn't suit Mourinho's style.
But practically speaking, there aren't any world class goalscorers on the market. As for great goalscorers: Kane will cost a ridiculous amount of money and he doesn't necessarily want to join us. Aubameyang is a better player than Morata, but he doesn't suit Mourinho's style.
I agree, and Jose has a year under his belt watching/understanding them.
What defensive work in particular? Last season he averaged no more tackles or interceptions than Mkhitaryan in his league.
Hell fecking no!
I think we need fullback help and more creativity wide or behind the strikers.
That window wouldn't really give us that.
That window wouldn't really give us that.
I like those players and would be happy with these signings, but it doesn't mean it would be a successful window - this depends on who leaves.
Already left:
Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Zlatan
Likely to leave:
Rooney, Smalling
New signings:
Morata, Fabinho, Lindelof, Perisic
Loan recall:
Pereirra
From this it looks like we are going to improve significantly only in midfield: Fabinho and Pereirra are a big improvement in both quality and depth on Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin who barely played anyway.
In defense I think Lindelof is an improvement on Smalling, but it's probably a little premature to say if he is going to be a big improvement or just like for like replacement. There might be a small improvement in quality and also a small improvement in depth, considering Smalling's injury problems.
In attack things are the worst: Zlatan and Rooney are two word class strikers (although declining especially Rooney) and Morata and Perisic, although good players, are not even replacing them like for like. Perisic can play centrally, but he is mainly a wide player and gives us something diferent, but as it stands I think we will be light in attack. If we get another central forward, maybe Belotti, then this will be a great window.
Already left:
Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Zlatan
Likely to leave:
Rooney, Smalling
New signings:
Morata, Fabinho, Lindelof, Perisic
Loan recall:
Pereirra
From this it looks like we are going to improve significantly only in midfield: Fabinho and Pereirra are a big improvement in both quality and depth on Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin who barely played anyway.
In defense I think Lindelof is an improvement on Smalling, but it's probably a little premature to say if he is going to be a big improvement or just like for like replacement. There might be a small improvement in quality and also a small improvement in depth, considering Smalling's injury problems.
In attack things are the worst: Zlatan and Rooney are two word class strikers (although declining especially Rooney) and Morata and Perisic, although good players, are not even replacing them like for like. Perisic can play centrally, but he is mainly a wide player and gives us something diferent, but as it stands I think we will be light in attack. If we get another central forward, maybe Belotti, then this will be a great window.
If we bring in those four, I would describe the window as understated. Not flashy, no muppetry which isn't a bad thing. Those four in a Mourinho side with increased production from Martial, Mkhitaryan and Pogba would have the makings of a very good team.
I was comparing him more to the left sided Martial and Rashford options. Peresic will provide a lot better cover and protection for the fullback than either of these.