Would you be happy with Morata, Fabinho, Lindelof and Perisic?

Would you be happy with Morata, Fabinho, Lindelof and Perisic?

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It would be an excellent window if we got all four. Feels like the same blueprint we had for last year: one centreback, one central midfielder, one winger/inside forward and one striker.

We will have good tactical flexibility with this team. But let's see who is outgoing as well.
 
Yes, but ideally would like to add a poacher who can play off the striker.
 
Sammyjunn said:
I do think the right players in the right system who are being used effectively can cause danger and be more effective than superstars wrongly used. It really is to hope that Mourinho has a clear plan for the team and knows exactly what he wants from these plays and is convinced that they can do that.
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What you said is right. Right players in the right system is more effective than randomly throwing "better players".

People go on about Madrid but it took years to win CL. They signed players and they played together for years then added some not go glamorous name like Casemiro to bring stability to the team.

Even take Bayern as example, when they won treble they had players like Dante, Muller*, Boateng, Martinez, Mandzukic, Gustavo, Gomez, Van Buyten, Shaqiri, Pizzaro who played more than 1000 mins. Almost all of these players made than 30 appearances that season.

*not a star player imo.
 
Yes. We are no where near as far off where we need to be as some are making out. A ball playing defender, striker and a defensive midfielder are our priorities and it's look like Mourinho has targeted quality in those areas. We bring them in and our side has a hell of a lot more balance which should bring out the quality we already have.
 
ivaldo said:
Yes. We are no where near as far off where we need to be as some are making out. A ball playing defender, striker and a defensive midfielder are our priorities and it's look like Mourinho has targeted quality in those areas. We bring them in and our side has a hell of a lot more balance which should bring out the quality we already have.
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This I agree with, think the continuity of the first 11 will reap rewards. Just hope we get an attacking left back not sure I could take another season of Darmian at left back.
 
I'm really on the fence tbh. Fabinho would be an excellent addition to the team so I have no worries about him. I don't know a lot about Lindelof, but Jose has a good eye for CB's. At any rate he can't be worse than the chuckle brothers. Perisic is a typical Jose winger, industrious but dull. He'll probably do a job but won't elevate us. I'm on board with the Morata signing, of all the strikers available he's our best pick. Auba doesn't fit the mould of a Jose 9. Lukaku's all round game is not as good and Morata's and Morata has shown more top level pedigree. Belotti would cost far too much for a player with only 1 great season under his belt.
In all, these signings would probably improve us but I'm not sure they will make us title challengers.
 
With those signings we simply wouldn't have improved on our attacking options from last season, the area that needs most attention.
 
Yes, would be quite satisfied with these 4. Towards the end of the season, our gaping holes were clear. We needed a CB (to avoid having the calamity-in-making that a dependence on Smalling and Jones has become), a proper LW (since Martial and Rashford just don't add enough there and Young should just not be the option for a title-chasing squad), a holding midfielder (to replace Carrick and also to free up Pogba / Herrera) who can also chip in with goals when needed and a proper striker who will convert chances and not miss loads.

Morata: What most people miss about Zlatan here is that while he scored a load, he also missed a very high number of chances, some of which were sitters or should have been (City, anyone?). We wouldn't have finished this far off the top if we'd just buried even 5-6 more chances spread across those infuriating draws. Now, given last season, I'd want to bet (hope?) that Mkhi and Pogba will step up their goal-scoring contributions. Morata adds a lot when it comes to finishing chances (his conversion rate is high). He is a clutch player - scores in the big games (see Bayern, Real, Barca) - and also buries the chances against the small fry (isn't the accusation that he just scores against "small teams"?). This would be a tremendous boost for us.

Perisic: People can moan on and on about Martial, but he's just not delivered this season and hasn't looked likely to either (unlike Rashford, his attitude seemed questionable). Adding Perisic helps since he's not just a goal-scorer, but a proper two-footed winger who also helps out in defence. That is the blueprint of a Mourinho winger, so I can't fault him for this one.

Fabinho: Fills two gaps; Carrick is moving on and Fabinho is an upgrade. He's very good at reading the game, making interceptions, developing attacks from deep and with through balls. This apart, he chips in with goals as well. Oh and he can also fill in at RB.

Lindelof: Needed a CB, got a CB and he's good with the ball. Enough said.

I'm also willing to assume that Jose will give minutes to the likes of Pereira, easing him into the squad. This along with the potential for some other younger players in the Cups etc. should see the squad do quite ok. I can see why most would want an LB added too (I wanted one as well) but maybe Jose wants to give another crack to Shaw? Or sees someone like a Mitchell or Borthwick-Jackson (yes, I know) stepping up?
 
roonster09 said:
What you said is right. Right players in the right system is more effective than randomly throwing "better players".

People go on about Madrid but it took years to win CL. They signed players and they played together for years then added some not go glamorous name like Casemiro to bring stability to the team.
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Real Madrid adding a defensively sound midfielder to a team that has attacking talent like Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria and Benzema is not the same thing as making a limited workhorse part of your front three.

The reality is that no elite team has a player like Perisic as a first choice player. There's a very good reason for that; he's average as can be.
 
An Irish Red said:
Real Madrid adding a defensively sound midfielder to a team that has attacking talent like Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria and Benzema is not the same thing as making a limited workhorse part of your front three.

The reality is that no elite team has a player like Perisic as a first choice player. There's a very good reason for that; he's average as can be.
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Good that you left the Bayern part which answers this post.
 
An Irish Red said:
It really didn't. Perisic would be a first choice winger if he signed; the Bayern equivalent would be Robben and Ribery.. not really comparable, is it?
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Who said Perisic would be first choice? Why only winger? wasn't Bayern's first choice striker Mandzukic who wasn't elite striker, Dante was first choice CB who wasn't exactly World class.

Also in 2011-12 when Bayern lost to Chelsea in CL finals, Gustavo was first choice CM for Bayern, he played in almost every game he was available.
 
No not even. The teams not even good enough for top 4, not even better than arsenal. Fabinho is the only real upgrade over carrick. Everyone else is just a lateral move. I guess we can settle with defending our Europa league title.
 
roonster09 said:
What you said is right. Right players in the right system is more effective than randomly throwing "better players".

People go on about Madrid but it took years to win CL. They signed players and they played together for years then added some not go glamorous name like Casemiro to bring stability to the team.

Even take Bayern as example, when they won treble they had players like Dante, Muller*, Boateng, Martinez, Mandzukic, Gustavo, Gomez, Van Buyten, Shaqiri, Pizzaro who played more than 1000 mins. Almost all of these players made than 30 appearances that season.

*not a star player imo.
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The likes of Martinez, Boateng, Muller, Gomez, Dante are or have been top to world class players for Bayern imo. Whilst Mandzukic and Gustavo are good players that fit the system. Dante was imo one of the best CB's around a few years ago, had a very short peak.

Even van Buyten is a bit like a Mertesacker, slow defender but actually very underrated, clean, big defender who showed his experience time and time again.
 
roonster09 said:
Who said Perisic would be first choice? Why only winger? wasn't Bayern's first choice striker Mandzukic who wasn't elite striker, Dante was first choice CB who wasn't exactly World class.

Also in 2011-12 when Bayern lost to Chelsea in CL finals, Gustavo was first choice CM for Bayern, he played in almost every game he was available.
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Well.. a) it's common sense that he would be first choice b) Mandzukic was higher quality in his position than Perisic is in his and c) not every player has to be world class...

You certainly need quality in attacking positions though; just like Bayern had with Robben, Ribery, Muller etc. We don't have it. We should be signing someone who helps us gain it, not Perisic.
 
Yeah I'd be fairly happy with that. It wouldn't transform us in to Barcelona, but it should be enough to improve us enough to have a title challenge and not get humiliated in the CL. Then next summer we can bring in Griezmann and a few more key players, and suddenly we'll be looking in very good shape. Have some patience, we can't build a world class team overnight.
 
I'd be delighted, address all areas where we need strengthening. Bear in mind we scraped into the CL last year and were quite poor in the league so to get decent players like them is good for me.
 
I would be very happy. These potential signings would make our squad very competitive, and they would bring much needed balance to our squad.

I still feel we are a bit light on top tough and would prefer us bringing in one more striker. It all depends if we can get rid of Rooney I guess.
 
No, can't see us improving our attacking output much on the basis of these four signings, and would expect us to remain quite far off the title challenge.

It seems realistic that these four would constitute Mourinho's targets, so hopefully he'll be able to improve our attacking quality with coaching and tweaked tactics, in addition to the new signings.
 
Replace Perišić with Costa or Moura both of whom are younger and bigger threats offensively and I'm happy.
 
It just feels a little underwhelming bcos without CL we got Mkhi, Ibra and Pogba. Now with CL, the players we are signing are not at the same level. Our squad will improve with these signings but won't be good enough to win the league. We are still lacking one special player who can unlock defenses.
 
No, not really. We need another number 8 as well, to compete and rotate with Pogba/Herrera.

And I'm not hyped about Perisic at all.
 
redpatron said:
No not even. The teams not even good enough for top 4, not even better than arsenal. Fabinho is the only real upgrade over carrick. Everyone else is just a lateral move. I guess we can settle with defending our Europa league title.
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Yes, let's go and buy Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, Bale, Ramos, Kroos, Verratti, Modric instead, eh?

It beggars belief to read some of this. Get these 4 and we're in far better shape than last season. Factor in expected improvements from Mkhi and Pogba and we're in the mix in the league. To challenge for CL will take another summer. Why can't we accept how far behind the likes of Real, Barca and Bayern we have fallen?
 
What we need in my opinion in addition to Lindelof, is 2 central midfielders, 2 wingers and 2 strikers. Obviously that won't happen, we'll probably end up signing one of each.
 
An Irish Red said:
Well.. a) it's common sense that he would be first choice b) Mandzukic was higher quality in his position than Perisic is in his and c) not every player has to be world class...

You certainly need quality in attacking positions though; just like Bayern had with Robben, Ribery, Muller etc. We don't have it. We should be signing someone who helps us gain it, not Perisic.
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a) Just like Mkhitaryan was first choice? If he signs he will be up against Martial, Rashford. If he starts then he is rated higher than others or he is doing what is asked tactically.
b)Mandzukic wasn't. He scored 12 goals when he moved to Bayern.
c) exactly. We can do with players who will fit the system or fits the way managers wants his team to play.


Sammyjunn said:
The likes of Martinez, Boateng, Muller, Gomez, Dante are or have been top to world class players for Bayern imo. Whilst Mandzukic and Gustavo are good players that fit the system. Dante was imo one of the best CB's around a few years ago, had a very short peak.

Even van Buyten is a bit like a Mertesacker, slow defender but actually very underrated, clean, big defender who showed his experience time and time again.
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Disagree with Boateng, Gomez, Dante. Boateng was used as RB at City and was sold for cheap, then he was first choice for Bayern when they reached CL finals. He wasn't world class but he was very good signing for them.

Mandzukic was used as a work horse, Gustavo was decent player but they played better as a team.

Maybe I'm not reading properly but we agree more or less. We need players to fit the system/manager's plan than good players who won't suit what manager wants.

Perisic is good player, not sure why he is rated so badly by few. fecking Costa is rated higher than him and he never scored more than 6 goals in his career, that too playing in Ukraine league and Bundesliga playing for Bayern.
 
No. We need a LB.
Would love another world class attacking player but there are none.
 
Where will the bulk of the goals come from? Morata, Rashford, Martial, Mkhi, Mata? Do these players have the goals in them to win the league and go far in the CL? Does this lineup strike fear into the opposition? I dont think so. As bryan robson correctly stated recently, we need a goal scoring/flair player. Add a Griezmann, Neymar or Bale to that and we're in business.
 
Mourinho's eye for a player is second to none. After some dodgy recruitment decisions over a number of seasons, last season's additions all made positive impressions. To my mind, Perisic is a little underwhelming, but if that's who the manager wants, then I'd back his judgement over mine.
 
roonster09 said:
What you said is right. Right players in the right system is more effective than randomly throwing "better players".

People go on about Madrid but it took years to win CL. They signed players and they played together for years then added some not go glamorous name like Casemiro to bring stability to the team.

Even take Bayern as example, when they won treble they had players like Dante, Muller*, Boateng, Martinez, Mandzukic, Gustavo, Gomez, Van Buyten, Shaqiri, Pizzaro who played more than 1000 mins. Almost all of these players made than 30 appearances that season.

*not a star player imo.
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I think you're right to an extent about Madrid doing well by/as a result of adding stability over star quality, however I wouldn't put the CL victories over the last 4 years down to this. RM have really struck it lucky with the demise/transitional phase of the other top teams. The PL has its talent spread too thinly amongst 5 or 6 teams. Bayern, Atletico and Barca have dropped off a level at least too. I think this RM team would still have been torn apart by the Barca and Bayern teams of a few seasons ago.
 
I would be happy with either
Fabinho,Morata,Lindelof, Belotti, Perisic/costa
OR
Fabinho,Morata,Lindelof, Belotti, Mendy
Or
Fabinho, Morata, Lindelof, Dolberg/keita balde,

Basically 5 signings 2 attackers, one defender, Fabinho, morata.
 
Yes you would have to be happy with that.

We can add our next attacking player next year in griez.

Morata hopefully matches Zlatan at least, and you would expect more natural evolution in the current players too, with more goals out of Rashford, Martial, Miki and Pogba. Perisic also.

Is it a title winning squad? Probably not, but we would be pretty close to it. Perhaps just a Griezman - one more wc attacker and a left back. I do think between Shaw, Darmian, Rojo and Blind we have enough options there if there's no one obvious player that is available this summer.
 
712 said:
Yeah, but with a winger younger than Perisic. I trust Mounhino in general, but 'll be here in three years time, Mourinho won't.
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Bailly 22
Pogba 23
Lindelof 22
Fabinho 23
Mkhi 28
Perisic 28
Ibra 34

Players ages when Jose brought them, I think you'll be ok in 3 years time.
 
LeftyBlaster said:
Morata, midfielder / Fabinho I'd be happy with with. Not hyped over Perisic at all especially with Inter's demands. Would like us to profile a right back to replace Tony V.
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Why would you replace one of our strongest positions? The best player in the league in his position to boot.

De Gea, Herrera, Pogba, Bailly, Valencia. Those 5 are immovable objects. I think most would agree. 6 spots are up for grabs.

Unless you mean sign a young right back with a raw set of Valencias talents... in which case I'll shit up.
 
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