don't worry by this evening it will be all on again or United will have agreed terms with someone... againWhat a difference a day makes. Yesterday loads of "Definitely signing by the weekend" rumours. Today, everything is off and its all doom and gloom. I know that nobody really knows anything and I should wait til players are holding up the scarf, but without any footy to watch I keep falling for the "refresh refresh refresh" loop on newsnow etc
Would you be happy with Morata, Fabinho, Lindelof and Perisic?
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Not really, Morata and Perisic don't fill me with much excitement tbh, but if Jose wants them then he must see something in them. He doesn't make many bad signings generally.
But overall, if that was the 4 we ended up with i would be delighted with Fabinho, happy enough about Lindelof, but i can't help feeling we could do much better than Morata and Perisic considering the potential fees being touted about. So no, i think happy would be stretching it way too far for me. We already have Lindelof, so take Fabinho out of that equation, and i would actually be pretty disappointed at the other signings.
But overall, if that was the 4 we ended up with i would be delighted with Fabinho, happy enough about Lindelof, but i can't help feeling we could do much better than Morata and Perisic considering the potential fees being touted about. So no, i think happy would be stretching it way too far for me. We already have Lindelof, so take Fabinho out of that equation, and i would actually be pretty disappointed at the other signings.
If you say so...
I have this vague memory of Mourinho saying he didnt like signing players on deadline day after the season had started. He said (again, from my very fallible memory) he thought the window should close before the first game of the season is played, and he wouldnt sign players once the season was underway. Nothing about things having to be wrapped up in June or before pre-season or anything, though obviously the earlier the better. Looking at your list it looks like it wasnt a hard and fast rule, but Im sure he said something like that.
As a 4-piece it sounds like the kind of signings we'd mock Liverpool for clinching.
I rate Lindelof & Fabinho but Morata comes with a question mark and Perisic is... well, Perisic.
In years gone by, Lindelof and Fabinho would have been the standard additions and another great signing would have complemented them. It's an illustration of where we're at. But all 4 improve our squad so I wont run my mouth if they are the extent of our transfer window.
I rate Lindelof & Fabinho but Morata comes with a question mark and Perisic is... well, Perisic.
In years gone by, Lindelof and Fabinho would have been the standard additions and another great signing would have complemented them. It's an illustration of where we're at. But all 4 improve our squad so I wont run my mouth if they are the extent of our transfer window.
We'll always mock Liverpool for their signings and theyll always mock us for ours. When its theirs we laugh at the price they pay, when its ours, who cares, its not our money.
That is hardly indicative of anything.
That is hardly indicative of anything.
Two of the four deals in the OP are looking quite unlikely.
Indeed. The thing as well is that that quartet being a good window is largely contingent on Fabinho being included, as he's the only one you would probably see as a 'top' signing, securing the best player out there in that position. If anything, he seems the least likely of the 4, which changes the whole dynamic.
Not saying the other 3 would be bad, but I think those are 4 positions we had all identified, and Fabinho is the only one the caf would have unanimously agreed upon 2 or 3 months ago.
At this point I'd be delighted with that 4 but right now it looks like a difficult transfer window. No idea who we're going to end up with!
I see the point you're making, none of these guys are superstars and the money we'll have to part with to get them will be ridiculous.
I would (of course) like a top class winger and a top class striker, which with the best will in world I don't see of Perisic and have doubts over Morata, but I'm happy with Lindelof now and particularly with the future in mind.
For me the key with our CM addition; be it Fabinho, Matic, both or someone else, is how it helps us get the best out of Pogba. There's an argument I have some time for that says there's no need to go out to get a superstar CM, rather we need a guy or two to complement what we already have. I trust Jose to go down this road and make additions in the right way.
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Fabinho and Lindelof - fine.
Perisic and Morata... not so fine. I think we could do better.
Perisic and Morata... not so fine. I think we could do better.
How can you have a vote based on only having signed 1 out of the 4 mentioned and the likelihood of signing 2 out of the 4 is far, far from assured and even Morata is hardly close, as far as we are aware.
I am sure some people are sending pics of their cocks to the mods to get these polls up.
There should be at least an e) Boue option.
I am sure some people are sending pics of their cocks to the mods to get these polls up.
There should be at least an e) Boue option.
If we signed them all, would you be happy? Yes or no? The question of whether they will actually come or not is unrelated.How can you have a vote based on only having signed 1 out of the 4 mentioned and the likelihood of signing 2 out of the 4 is far, far from assured and even Morata is hardly close, as far as we are aware.
I am sure some people are sending pics of their cocks to the mods to get these polls up.
There should be at least an e) Boue option.
This thread should be renamed to "would you be happy with Morata, Lindelof and 2 unknowns" after today's set of rumours 
Or simply would you be happy if United signed some players before next season.
Much better poll tbf
Wouldn't be ecstatic, exactly. Lindelof is probably a decent enough addition, but nothing too exciting. Fabinho would be great. Morata, not a world class striker but we are desperate for a striker and everyone knows it. Perisic, no thanks.
We need another midfield signing in addition to Fabinho if we are going to do well on all fronts without relying on Fellaini and old man Carrick.
We need another midfield signing in addition to Fabinho if we are going to do well on all fronts without relying on Fellaini and old man Carrick.
Delighted? and why 'at this point'? Sounding a bit desperate there considering the TW isn't even open yet.
Surely it's not simply about getting the numbers in, not for us fans anyway. I'm looking at only whether i think these players can bridge the gap and make us contenders again. Mourinho wanted a CB and so we get Lindelof and im happy enough with that. But Morata and Perisic are the players who we will need to change the dynamics of our attack and provide the goals we lacked so often last season. For the fees being mentioned they will be main players not squad players.
So, is Morata currently at the level of an Aguero, Sanchez, Aubameyang, Diego Costa, Kane etc? Not yet for me, but he will have to be to turn us into serious contenders. Even more so with Perisic. He is 28, and has got to hit the ground running. Yet even if he does is he on a par with the likes of Bernardo Silva, Hazard, De Bruyne, Mane, Coutinho, Dembele etc? Again, i don't see it myself, and if we are gonna spend 50m on him, he has to regularly make the difference like those players do.
I'm not stupidly writing them off, who knows how it will work out? Jose is no fool, so we have to afford him some trust. But as it stands it's hard for me to convince myself these players are better options than the likes of Aubameyang and Dembele would be.
Lindelof, Fabinho, Aubameyang and Dembele. I'd be delighted with that 4 at any point. They are also clearly comparable and arguably even preferable to the main players at our rivals.
Rather sign no one else than end up desperately signing a donkey, like what happened with Fellaini after we failed to bring in the real targets. But still plenty of time to avoid another disaster like that.
Hell no, we need at least another attacking player, definitely another attacking midfielder, a proper right back and a proper back up for Valencia or an upgrade. With only those four signings we'll be one or two injuries to having the exact same team as last season. Plus look at City gobbling up more attacking players despite already having a better attack than us last season. I really hope Mourinho does not plan to go into next season with just four signings planned
Where are the goals going to come from of those are out only signings?
Fair point, as mentioned above we are still missing a genuinely top class forward in his prime unlike our rivals. However it is worth saying we were tearing our hair out all season at ridiculous missed chances. If we iron those out we'll be better off, plus if we solidify our midfield with some non-flashy shrewd CM additions we could massively improve our control of games and the quality of chances we create.
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Mostly Morata probably, which is worrying.
Replace Matic with Fabinho and the window looks average. Lets hope it is Fabinho
We still need another player to score more goals. Either replace Perisic with a better player or get another goal scoring number 10 in.
We still need another player to score more goals. Either replace Perisic with a better player or get another goal scoring number 10 in.
Funny that people say they rate lindelof yet he's the most untested of the lot
What about the existing players at the club? Mkhitaryan, Martial, Mata, Pogba all players that are capable of doubling their current goal figures in the right team and system. Morata is also a very capable scorer and if he clicks in the team could bag 20-25 goals while at the same time making us a more dynamic outfit than when we relied on ibrahimovic. Too often I think people look at the stats of the incoming players as individuals, but as teams like Monaco, liverpool, Leicester etc show, a good team unit will enhance the performance levels of the whole team and add goals in every position.
There's plenty of people here saying we should sign players like Aubameyang or Lacazzete, but the problem is they are not mourinho strikers and therefore will not fit the system. It's not complicated but if you put a player in the wrong system (no matter how good they are) they will struggle and for that reason I would expect Morata to score far more than an Aubameyang, despite their career stats saying otherwise.
Inner muppet say no, perisic doesn't light its fire,
But the head says these are the sort of Jose signings that do the business. So its underwhelmed but keeping faith. Matic instead of fabinho however might send me the other way...
It'd be lovely to see us bagging naingollan, dembele etc or previously the griezeman heartbreak, its not happening this year.
The death of mourinho's father may have an effect on transfer speed too, whilst he's not involved in negotiations etc, for most managers and players its key to meet and seal the deal.
But the head says these are the sort of Jose signings that do the business. So its underwhelmed but keeping faith. Matic instead of fabinho however might send me the other way...
It'd be lovely to see us bagging naingollan, dembele etc or previously the griezeman heartbreak, its not happening this year.
The death of mourinho's father may have an effect on transfer speed too, whilst he's not involved in negotiations etc, for most managers and players its key to meet and seal the deal.
Indeed, which then begs the question, what is the point of spending huge fees on players for main attacking positions if the don't provide what we need? Yet if we replace Morata and Perisic with Auba and Dembele, and all of a sudden we have blistering pace, creativity and undeniable goal threat, without any obvious need for additional signings. Considering how Jose likes to play on the counter, Morata doesn't seem to fit the bill at all for me.
That's the point I think. Lindelof's 'untestedness' at least offers some hope, whereas some may see Perisič and even Morata as already weighed and measured, to an extent. Perisič in particular, is already 28. I think many would prefer the promise of Lindelof to the sum total of the career Perisič has had so far.
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Fabregas was signed in early June but Costa was signed halfway through July and Matic was signed during January.
Other signings for Mourinho at Chelsea:
Schurrle - end of June
Falcao (loan) - early July
van Ginkel - early July
Begovic - early July
Luis - mid July
Baba Rahman - mid August
Pedro - mid August
Kenedy - mid August
Willian - late August
Remy - end of August
Hector - deadline day September
Djilobodji - deadline day September
Salah - end of January
Zouma - deadline day in January
Cuadrado - deadline day in February
Most of the signings during his time at Chelsea were flops
A lot, and I mean a lot can still happen, but up to this point in time, there is absolutely nothing to shout about for us this summer. Since Greizman went cold pretty much.
Fair point generaly, but more specifically then, he doesn't get many marquee signings wrong, especially at CF. Signs Costa and Fabregas for Chelsea after finshing third and wins the title the year after. Signs Eto'o, Milito and Lucio for Inter and wins the treble the year after. Let's also not forget Drogba for Chelsea and Zlatan for us last year.
If we actually really needed a CB, Lindelof's signing would probably be under more scrutiny, but as it is, he is far less important a signing than the CF or creative player will be in terms of us seriously contending next season. Therefore most would probably place less relevance on him than on any potential attacking signings. Considering our goalscoring issues last year, whoever we sign for attacking positions simply has to make us title contenders next season. One more CB is a plus, but won't solve any of our main issues from last year. So whoever we sign to address those issues will be far more pivotal in taking us to the next level enabling us to seriously challenge for the most coveted titles next season.
Sounds like a law firm from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
On the Perisic deal specifically, am I right in thinking if this doesnt happen by the end of June, so that Inter can make their FFP payment, we lose our leverage, his cost probably goes up and in all likelihood it wont happen. i.e. if it doesnt happen by tomorrow it probably wont happen at all?
If that's what Mourinho genuinely wants and feels he needs, then yes.
If the team doesn't meet expectations next season, it'll be on him, and the "he hasn't assembled his team" excuse won't fly anymore.
If the team doesn't meet expectations next season, it'll be on him, and the "he hasn't assembled his team" excuse won't fly anymore.
If you read the whole post - you'll know. It's underwhelming because of Jose's imposed deadline - where he said that all signings will be done before pre-season and Ed has to get to work. But, if you break it down, its decent as there is actually no urgency to finish everything in June and Ed is doing a decent enough job.
Sort of. Although, it seems his second, third or fourth choice targets may be more appealing. I mean, if Fabinho is only third choice behind Dier and Matic, then it's not even that he doesn't rate Fabinho, he just thinks the others are better.
I'm curious to see his 'backups' to Perisič, but I can only think they would almost certainly be better footballers. For instance, if reports that he will pursue Beenadeschi instead are true, then you can't help but hope he misses out on Matic and Perisič and gets Fabinho and Bernadeschi instead. That said, the ear difference between them is experience, so perhaps that's his priority, even over talent.
I would be happy with those signings, even if we replace Fabinho with Matic, but only on the condition that we don't sell anyone (maybe only Rooney). Also I would like to see Perreira come back from loan.