Gave a list consisting of Ronaldo, Bale, Kroos and Fabregas and you expect Ed to bring them ? Our list target was the most unrealistic list ever we had in any window. We kept chasing impossible dreams till time run out of us. It was clear there was no plan b and the targets were chosen randomly. Ed did a very good job for LVG and Jose later.
Would you be happy with Morata, Fabinho, Lindelof and Perisic?
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Gave a list consisting of Ronaldo, Bale, Kroos and Fabregas and you expect Ed to bring them ? Our list target was the most unrealistic list ever we had in any window. We kept chasing impossible dreams till time run out of us. It was clear there was no plan b and the targets were chosen randomly. Ed did a very good job for LVG and Jose later.
I've been lurking on the Caf since the season ended and the negativity around our transfer dealings is very visibly growing.
United's body of work thus far includes signing a very highly rated Lindelof and (it looks like) retaining De Gea. I'm sure that we'll make other signings in due course.
What's funny is that the media runs with a narrative that our window has been a great big disappointment because nothing sells better than 'United in crisis', but none of our rivals have pulled up any trees so far - why is no one pointing this out?
United's body of work thus far includes signing a very highly rated Lindelof and (it looks like) retaining De Gea. I'm sure that we'll make other signings in due course.
What's funny is that the media runs with a narrative that our window has been a great big disappointment because nothing sells better than 'United in crisis', but none of our rivals have pulled up any trees so far - why is no one pointing this out?
What rubbish. Ronaldo, Kroos and Bale were no more realistic then than they would be now. The players we actually bid for: Fabregas and Baines, how were they unobtainable? Fabregas was sold the season after to Chelsea for more money than we offered. The bids we made were simply not enough to convince the respective clubs to sell. That's Woody's fault, not Moyes. Unless you think it's Jose's fault we haven't signed more players so far....! Whoever we go for and whoever is the manager, we always have to pay over the odds, you see that clearly reflected during LVG's stint. Moyes was a victim of Woody's inexperience, trying to be clever offering 25m to Barca for a player they didn't want to and didn't have to sell.
He didn't make the same mistakes the year after did he? We spent almost as much on Depay as we had offered for Fabregas. And spent nearly twice that much again on Martial. As i said, laughable. Anyway, not derailing this thread any further. If u don't agree fine, can't really be arsed going round in circles arguing about it.
That isn't a good start of a post to encourage anyone to replay but fine.
We failed to sign Fabre so what ? Instead of moving to other options we kept stalling on the same player all the summer because of any lack of plan b for our transfers from the manager. Ed wouldn't have stalled on the same players if he has different options in his list to move on. Ronaldo, Bale were basically the most 2 expensive players this summer and signing them both was unrealistic and again what were their plan b options ?? Also what's Fabre moving the next year any related to us failing to get him this summer ? There's a whole year between both us and Chelsea attempting to sign him and many things can happen in a summer. The key he didn't move in this summer when we tried to get him. Why didn't move from a player refusing us ? Because Mr.Moyes gave Ed no other options.
We had no plan to move on this summer and very clear we were moving randomly between the most expensive players available in the market and when refusing to join us we kept stalling on them till we reached 31 AUG when we discovered we didnt make any signing and made a panic one. If there was a clear plan available from the manager this would have never happened. We were just targeting any big names. Hardly a planned summer.
Comparing this to current summer is illogical because we're still 2 July and there's still 2 months and we already got a player.
And what is his overspending on Depay or Martial making him at fault ? You're contradicting yourself by saying he offered Depay the same money as Fabre so it wasn't Ed's problem ? Fabre didn't just wanted to join you or leave Barca at this summer even when Ed offered a good sum of money. Overspending means nothing, at the end he secured all LVG and Jose signings and that's the important thing.
Finally starting the post by saying my post is rubbish then ending it by saying it's laughable and don't want to drag it any further and not arsing aboyt arguing about it. Really a terrible way to start and end any discussion. That's too my last post on you.
I voted no on this poll purely for the reason that if we sign Morata we will definitely need another striker as I think he might be a flop in England.
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My apologies, stuck for time this morning and not meant to be as abrupt or dismissive of you as you seem to have taken me. The laughable reference was not directed at you or your viewpoint, but how Woody dealt with the transfers in Moyes first window, compared to the complete turnaround in attitude the year after under LVG. That is what i found to be laughable, not your opinion.
Just to clarify, I still don't agree with anything you say, at all. We had a new manager and a new CEO in their first window, yet it is all somehow all Moyes fault for not having a wonder plan drawn up in the first 5 minutes of his tenure, and then when Woody fecked his plan A, it's his fault again for not having a wonder plan B. But as you suggest, i can disagree with you far in a far more agreeable manner.
My apologies, stuck for time this morning and not meant to be as abrupt or dismissive of you as you seem to have taken me. The laughable reference was not directed at you or your viewpoint, but how Woody dealt with the transfers in Moyes first window, compared to the complete turnaround in attitude the year after under LVG. That is what i found to be laughable, not your opinion.
Just to clarify, I still don't agree with anything you say, at all. We had a new manager and a new CEO in their first window, yet it is all somehow all Moyes fault for not having a wonder plan drawn up in the first 5 minutes of his tenure, and then when Woody fecked his plan A, it's his fault again for not having a wonder plan B. But as you suggest, i can disagree with you far in a far more agreeable manner.
My apologies, stuck for time this morning and not meant to be as abrupt or dismissive of you as you seem to have taken me. The laughable reference was not directed at you or your viewpoint, but how Woody dealt with the transfers in Moyes first window, compared to the complete turnaround in attitude the year after under LVG. That is what i found to be laughable, not your opinion.
Just to clarify, I still don't agree with anything you say, at all. We had a new manager and a new CEO in their first window, yet it is all somehow all Moyes fault for not having a wonder plan drawn up in the first 5 minutes of his tenure, and then when Woody fecked his plan A, it's his fault again for not having a wonder plan B. But as you suggest, i can disagree with you far in a far more agreeable manner.
Well no problem and I accept your apology. Let's agree to disagree then.
As did I and I agree with the concern re Morata, based on absolutely nothing of course.
Another reason for a no from me is that I dont really get the Lindelof signing and not convinced it was necessary.
I wonder if right now with just Lindelof signed, everyone who voted 'no' is considering changing it to a 'yes'.
Especially with Fabinho and Perisic now looking distant.
Especially with Fabinho and Perisic now looking distant.
The only one I think we'll sign is Morata. I don't think Perisic and Fabinho will sign for us.
Voted yes, but wouldn't be over the moon, mainly because I think we should be aiming higher than Perisic.
I'm okay with us signing those four, but I think we still need another striker to get goals one to play as a wide forward to be precise. With those four, our front three will will likely be Perisic, Morata and Mkhitaryan; so i think we shouldn't rely only on Morata for the goals because Perisic and Mkhitaryan are both wasteful infront of goal(will be like last season). Aubameyang will be perfect for the RF role, because he's got pace and played there for Dortmund when Lewandowski was still there, but we are not in for him; but i'm pretty we need another goalscorer.
Lindelof is young , very good at playing the ball out from the back and will only get better. I think it may well prove to be a shrewd signing
Inter don't need to sell anyone to pass FFP now and have offered Perisic a new deal so it looks very likely like he'll stay at Inter which I'm very happy about, he's a decent player but we need so much more than decent.
Morata is a good signing but basically replacing Zlatan so if we sign Fabinho we'd only improved central defence and defensive midfield from last season and we need to improve a hell of a lot next season from the season just gone, surely Jose and Woodward can see we need to spend big on attackers as that's where we struggled last season.
Morata is a good signing but basically replacing Zlatan so if we sign Fabinho we'd only improved central defence and defensive midfield from last season and we need to improve a hell of a lot next season from the season just gone, surely Jose and Woodward can see we need to spend big on attackers as that's where we struggled last season.
If we don't make a couple of signings by the end of this week then, yeah, I think we're in a little bit of trouble.
It would indicate we're struggling as Jose wants transfer business completed in time for going on tour next Sunday.
Hopefully there will be a number of announcements this week and we've been leaving it as late as possible, in order to secure the best deals. I gather Jose is back on Monday, so perhaps he wants to be here in person to welcome the players to the club.
It would indicate we're struggling as Jose wants transfer business completed in time for going on tour next Sunday.
Hopefully there will be a number of announcements this week and we've been leaving it as late as possible, in order to secure the best deals. I gather Jose is back on Monday, so perhaps he wants to be here in person to welcome the players to the club.
You need firepower to win this league, history has shown that time and time again, and an attack that would have Lingard, Rashford and Perisic as key players in it doesn't have it.
We need some serious quality so signing Perisic would be a huge mistake.
We need some serious quality so signing Perisic would be a huge mistake.
Imo all the above bar Morata are sideways signings. To win the premier league you need goalscorers.
I think we were probably planning for Griezmann to partner Morata but since the former decided to stay at Atletico we are probably left with an 'eggs in one basket' scenario. The other player that I would love at United is Nainggolan, he and Pogba in midfield would've really given us a thrust and goal threat.
I know that Fabinho is the flavour of the month but as I've said before, I don't think he'll be any better than Herrera is at that position. He'll be great as back up but you don't spend 50 mill on a back up!! I don't know about Perisic, he is an above average winger who'll do a job. Maybe Mourinho wants to convert him into a wingback?!?
I think we were probably planning for Griezmann to partner Morata but since the former decided to stay at Atletico we are probably left with an 'eggs in one basket' scenario. The other player that I would love at United is Nainggolan, he and Pogba in midfield would've really given us a thrust and goal threat.
I know that Fabinho is the flavour of the month but as I've said before, I don't think he'll be any better than Herrera is at that position. He'll be great as back up but you don't spend 50 mill on a back up!! I don't know about Perisic, he is an above average winger who'll do a job. Maybe Mourinho wants to convert him into a wingback?!?
I voted no before, but now I'd say yes as I'm worried we're going to have a Moyes-esque window.
So, being realistic Jose is hoping to line up something like...
DDG
Valencia Bailly Lindelof Darmian
Matic Pogba
Lingard Mkhit Perisic
Morata
I can't see Pogba being pushed forward as some people are suggesting as that's not his best position. Up for debate who will be first choice no.10 and RW.
DDG
Valencia Bailly Lindelof Darmian
Matic Pogba
Lingard Mkhit Perisic
Morata
I can't see Pogba being pushed forward as some people are suggesting as that's not his best position. Up for debate who will be first choice no.10 and RW.
Dropping herrera would be a huge mistake.
Lingard won't start
I don't see where he would fit in, except in the "big games" where we would play a more conservative formation. I have a feeling that Herrera is not rated quite as highly by Jose as on here.
He just signed a big long term contract. Safe to say he is firmly in the mix. Maybe Rashford instead?
Perisic is an upgrade on Lingard so I can't see us playing them both. We'll go with one inner forward on one side + Perisic on the other, similar to what we had with Ronaldo/Park. I will be very surprised if we keep Darmian. There's Inter, Juventus and AC Milan on him, all offering decent fees.
So here's my team
------------------------------DDG-----------
Valencia---------------Bailly------Lindelof-------Shaw/new-guy
-----------------------Matic--------Herrera---------------------
Mkhitaryan/Lingard----------Pogba/Mata-------------Perisic/Martial
---------------------------Morata--------------------------------
-If Perisic play, Lingard doesn't play
-Against the toughest sides Pogba will be played as the most advanced CM. In lesser sides he'll move in midfield (Matic or Herrera will be sacrificed) and Mata will play
What is this ?
We're going to play with the same system we used in December. It's clear Jose is building on it but wants someone with more stability and consistency in performance than 35 years old Carrick. This system calls shortly after December because of Carrick unable to play regularly with his age.
Im not saying he's a bad player (I havent seen enough of him to comment) but just seems odd to focus on the defence when the issue is at the other end of the field. We now have 6 first team center halves.
I'm happy with Lindelof, would be reasonably happy with Morata, not overly sure about Fabinho and meh on Perisic. Still voted yes cos' I want to see some activity
I think the team would be like this
Valencia-Bailly-Lindelof-shaw/darmian
Matic
Herrera-Pogba
Mkhitaryan-Morata-Perisic
Mkhitaryan in the starting 11? Hope not!!!
@Mcking -- I am not entirely sure why we are letting up the chance to buy Aubameyang either. It would make good sense to have someone who is a proven goalscorer and can play at least two positions up front. He would be available for a cheaper price than Morata too apparently.
The only plus from a prospective Morata deal is that Jose gets to work with someone he already knows, a trusted lieutenant if you could say so. Much fuss is made out of how Jose likes to work with players from previous clubs and I hope he gets this one right.
Oh how I miss those days when we had RvP, Wazza, Chicharito and Welbeck just four years ago. A striking quartet is what I dream of.
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This is the thing thats keeping me relaxed at the moment.
If however, Chelsea start signing Sandro, Lukaku etc, Liverpool land Keita and Virgil with us still stuck in limbo, ...concern will set it.
hmm? I think miki is a definite starter. As a no.10, he is better than Rooney, Mata, Lingard, Pereira & Pogba. As a right sided attacker, he is better than Mata, Lingard.
Unless we sign some absolute world class players to replace him, Miki starts
City and 'Pool have strengthened to a much greater degree than us already and finished higher last year (while winning feck all in fairness).
We need more goals and speed of play, pretty badly. Signings won't fix that alone, the football needs to be better than it was for parts of last season, but new blood will definitely help.
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There is a reason its called silly season. We have been "preparing to launch a bid"for all these players since March?? Who does that?
I would be happy with those signings. I think Fabinho and Alvaro would be top while I don't know Perisic but I can see why he could be useful for Jose.
I'm guessing that Jose wants to have on the wings players more defensively reliable than the Gabon striker cum winger. Aubameyang has very poor defensive stats and does look like he's economizing his running for attacking sequences with average distance covered by him at 9.32km.
Are you sure that's right? I can walk 9km. in 90 minutes.