So you are rejecting the question and point of the thread? And you also seemingly think that people only adore or have affection for players that have the best stats?
Would Ronaldo have been so adored if he played football in this current era
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So you are rejecting the question and point of the thread? And you also seemingly think that people only adore or have affection for players that have the best stats?
Well, if he was playing today for United, the whole thread would be void as he would be suspended pending an internal investigation with that woman in Vegas.
He might still get adoration for his play style, but at the same time look how tribal things are with Ronaldo and Messi, you'd have a ton of fans of those players who'd despise r9 just for playing atthe same time as them, I don't think universal adoration is a thing anymore
Yes! Got the years wrong
Again, no. I think he'd be less adored because he'd be playing alongside two much better players. The stats are just a way to back up thay opinion. He'd also be less adored because things are more tribal now, if you had social media then you'd have Zidane and ronadlo fans at each others throats instead of mutual appreciation
Or the vast majority of football fans aren't actually morons and currently appreciate both Ronaldo and Messi. Of course there would be people like you who for some strange reason bring Messi or Ronaldo up in a everything even when it's not the topic but as you can see in this thread you are in the minority.
Understood. So, the 800 something goals that you're using to make the judgement are all against United, Liverpool, Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona, Milan and Juve?
The best judge of a player is the most important games/tournaments they play. So that's the WC then.
That's obviously not true though, i mean look on twitter and you'll see Messi fans criticising Ronaldo all the time and vice versa. Maybe if yiu just limit it to forums like this then yeah, but think how many fans are in India or Africa that always post running Messi or Ronaldo down, that's the majority of fans, people on a forum like this don't outnumber the rabid fanboys, not even close
Well 67 of Ronaldo's were in the knockouts of the champions league, against far better average opposition than the world cup.
So Harry Maguire is a great defender then? He had good world cups but he's shit for us
But you said international football was of a much lower standard so they should have been able to score at the same rate, what with all the qualifiers against Latvia and friendlies against Panama. Why didn't they?
Also Ronaldo played exactly the same for Portugal, winger then penalty box player. Messi might have played deeper for Argentina.
This thread is about a player that is not Messi or CR7. And most people in this thread including fans of Ronaldo or Messi understood it, you are the one that didn't and is in the minority.
If Ronaldo was playing now he'd obviously be compared to them. And it would be the same tribal thing we get with all fans nowadays. It's not limited to sports, in politics there's no middle ground, social media had made everything like that, r9 wouldn't be immune.
I mean look at the posts in the ballon d'or thread sharing from twitter Messi fans slagging off benzema, you'll have city fans slagging off Messi if he gets the ballon d'or instead of Haaland and vice versa.
That's what we get with you and bots on Twitter. The rest of us who actually watch games, appreciate a large range of players.
I told you, Ronaldo played under a very defensive manager and played in a team that he didn't regularly train with, it causes a drop.
His overall ratio for Portugal is 0.61 goals per game
R9 is 0.63 goals per game.
Given that's one is a winger playing in a much weaker side and the other is a striker in a very strong Brazil side that isn't a big difference
If you think football hasn't become more tribal in terms of players since the rise of social media then there's no point even continuing a discussion, because it's like denying the sky is blue
Debatable. Which isn't debatable is that it was a less important instance than the WC.
You could check your stats of Maguire, altough I would say bringing him into this debate doesn't help your case at all.
Ronaldo also has 42 goals in 49 games from the quarter finals onwards in the champions league, not debatable in any way that that's a far higher standard of opposition than your world cup teams
He probably doesn’t rate Maradona either.
He's not adored. He's reviled after his last stay at the club.
By me, anyway.
By me, anyway.
It hasn't. People used to literally fight rivals and players were highly criticized for moving to rivals. Football fans today are significantly less tribal and generally more passive.
But there's far less appreciation for other teams players, bruno routinely gets called a useless rat by other teams fans regardless of his performances for us. I can't think of any player adored in thr Premier league, look at the criticism haaland comes in for, breaks the scoring record, he's just a poacher say half the people on here etc.q
Then why did he score zero in knockout games in world cups against a supposedly far lower standard opposition?
Neither of these players should be adored, they don't have memorable style. Both of them are generally appreciated for their qualities but outside of stats nothing makes them memorable.
As an example someone like Bruno will never be as loved as Rui Costa because the latter played with style, there was an esthetic in his game that most players don't have including better players. But you would only know that if you watched them.
'A team that he doesn't regularly train with' is a poor excuse. That's the same for every player. As is your 'it's all Santos's fault' salvo.
Ronaldo was not a winger for that long, he was a scoring forward and then a penalty box player for a large proportion of his career and much more of a goalhanger and penalty monster in fact than R9. But you don't know this because you never saw R9.
The point that I'm getting at, which you are clearly unable to explain logically, is that all the top scorers from this era, with the possible exception of Neymar (and maybe Haaland, we'll see), seem to score at a significantly lower rate for country than club. That was not the case in the past, where it was usually about the same, and there is in fact no reason why it should not be the same (excuses about 'not training enough with international teammates notwithstanding). The reason for this could be the superclub era that we are in the midst of, this is perhaps the most likely explanation.
Because the only knockout game he played at his peak was against 2010 Spain. Even if you want to include 2018 that makes 2 knockout games. You might well ask why r9 managed 14 in 40 in the cl
Not saying he hasnt been a great player, but are you genuinely comparing Suarez as a striker to Ronaldo? If you had of said Van Basten, Romario or Batistuta for example fair enough....for me Ronaldo is the best striker I have seen in my lifetime and the second best player, Suarez personally doesnt even come close to a top ten strikers argument....but to ROnaldo.....seriously?
It particularly makes little sense when there is more friendlies and more games against canonfodders today. That's why people are still baffled by Platini's performances in the 80s, those international goals were against the other top international team of that era, not San Marino or Gibraltar.
Stop the obfuscation and look at the stats. The stats say Ronaldo9 was the best. The stats have spoken loud and clearly. Why do you hate stats so much?
Great point, yes. So many minnows to fill your boots against in internationals and somehow current players can't match their club scoring rates.
How does your supercl
How does your superclub era theory fit with Madrid not scoring more than 80 since Ronaldo left but averaging over 100 with uil
How does your superclub era theory fit with Madrid not scoring more than 80 since Ronaldo left but averaging over 100 with him. Or Suarez scoring 31 in 33 in an average Liverpool side. Or Barca jot scoring more than 70 since Messi left
How are you guys still engaging the troll?
How about 2006? He was 21 then and played 4 knock out games. At that age Ronaldo scored three and was playing the WC final.
Trochlear dysplasia, even of high grades, are very common in the general population. I'd imagine lots of modern footballers would have that diagnosis if knee MRIs are routine.
We are naively trying to detrollify him.
I gave up once I saw how either by intention or ignorance how poorly Mr stats was using and interpreting stats.What I've learned however is memory and experience equals nostalgia. Michael Jackson really wasn't a mega star and Jordan was a fraud.
What I've learned however is memory and experience equals nostalgia. Michael Jackson really wasn't a mega star and Jordan was a fraud.
I actually agree with the idea of nostalgia making certain football memories better but recency bias is also a thing.
Well modern fans have a Martial FC thing so I won't care what they much.
The thing is that he's not even trolling. He's just a pure product of his generation and a staunch Cronaldo fan who lives and dies by numbers (without context).
People should really stop engaging with him, he's not going to budge one bit from the hill he chose to die on.
He's gone now.
Don't know what this thread will become without him.
Don't know what this thread will become without him.
I’ve lost track of what point he’s even making. First, we received an extended lesson on how CR7 is the superior player based on end product and medals won. I don’t disagree, but I’m not sure how that’s relevant to the OP.
Then he tried to convince us that CR7 had a more impressive international career than R9. Suddenly, end product and medals won were no longer the criteria. I wonder why?
And now, we supposedly wouldn’t be able to appreciate R9 if he played now because his career would coincide with Messi and CR7. Apparently fans haven’t been drawn to players other than those two throughout the last two decades. In fact, we no longer watch football to support our team or be entertained by our favourite player. No, we merely consult the top scorers charts and allocate our love and admiration in the corresponding order.
Bizarre.
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