He'd be another temporary fix who works with what he's got instead of the radical change needed in many areas of the club. He's a 2 season man and gone, leaving us with another clueless bunch of players who are confused with ideas
Would Conte got the best out of this team?
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No. The squad is completely disjointed. We started the season top heavy and very weak in midfield. With managerial changes that still doesn’t change the weaknesses on the pitch
with the American owners here, I'm not convinced any top manager will be here long term.
I'm not a Conte fan boy but yes.
After some signing deciding om what weaknesses he can't working He would have got this team competing for the league next season - no chance of winning CL'S or knock out trophies.
After some signing deciding om what weaknesses he can't working He would have got this team competing for the league next season - no chance of winning CL'S or knock out trophies.
Yes. Ole left behind a good squad. He even got it to 3rd and 2nd place in the league.
Rangnick just hasn't been up to the job, unfortunately.
Rangnick just hasn't been up to the job, unfortunately.
Chelsea change manager like changing underwear and they win quite a lot over the years.
SAF/Wenger type of manager that stay at a club for a very long time and with success is a rare breed. Left Diego Simeone perhaps ? He is the only manager at a top club who stay more than 10 years.
So by your logic you wouldn't want pep here either as the same conte we beat a couple of weeks back beat pep's lot...
He would have absolutely. But it would have been short term gains. And short term he wouldn’t have won us the league I don’t think.
Long term I hope it was right to bring in an interim in Ralf. Then bring in the perfect man in Hag.
Yes it means no CL. But at least again we’ve seen the players true colours and we can do a clear out.
Long term I hope it was right to bring in an interim in Ralf. Then bring in the perfect man in Hag.
Yes it means no CL. But at least again we’ve seen the players true colours and we can do a clear out.
Its not about being here long term, and more about the type of signings he would want and us being left holding the bag when he leaves
My feelings are it would have been a repeat of Jose. I think if Conte did join he’d win us an FA Cup, League Cup or maybe a Europa League… but Premier League or Champions League? Probably not and he’d have been way off from competing too.
And it would have ended horribly with a falling out and we’d have been stuck with his players when he left (after giving him free rein to pick players), that most other managers don’t know how to use effectively.
And it would have ended horribly with a falling out and we’d have been stuck with his players when he left (after giving him free rein to pick players), that most other managers don’t know how to use effectively.
He could have done better, yes. Probably even secure CL football for next season. But he would never challenge with this squad plus a couple of signings (which seems to be our modus operandi) against Pep and Klopp.
Although i must admit, it would also be funny to see how his approach to motivate his players would work at United. You know, like when Spurs got completely outclassed in the EFL semis by Chelsea and he came out saying something along the lines of: "What did you expect? They are the reigning champions of Europe. This is their quality. We are nowhere near that". It'd be lovely to see the effect on our players.
Even funnier is that we didn't go for him, not because we believe in a certain style of football, but because we were probably wary of how he conducts himself when he doesn't get what he wants.
Although i must admit, it would also be funny to see how his approach to motivate his players would work at United. You know, like when Spurs got completely outclassed in the EFL semis by Chelsea and he came out saying something along the lines of: "What did you expect? They are the reigning champions of Europe. This is their quality. We are nowhere near that". It'd be lovely to see the effect on our players.
Even funnier is that we didn't go for him, not because we believe in a certain style of football, but because we were probably wary of how he conducts himself when he doesn't get what he wants.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.
I’d have to say yes just because Conte would be a permanent appointment, and the team are just treading water at the minute. I wanted Conte at the time, but we just have to hope the 6 months we waited for Ten Hag are worth it.
I think people underestimate how good Son and Kane are for Tottenham. They have played together for years and represent about 60% or more of Tottenhams quality on the pitch.
Tottenham won't compete for the title under Conte and I'm sure he will implode in a season or two when he doesn't get what he wants or Kane is sold.
Hes also only getting top 4 because United and Arsenal are doing their best Spurs impression. I still wouldn't bet on Spurs doing a Spurs before the end of the season either.
Very good manager but not a long term appointment and a bit too close to Mourinho to have worked at United.
We would have appointed him, probably got top 4 by the skin of our teeth, given him £150m to spend in the summer and been in the same position we are now in 2 years time with perhaps a cup to show for it.
I want real root change at the club. Not another plaster that papers over the gaping cracks in the club but doesn't lead anywhere but disappointment and wasted years. Not going to lie, I have no faith in the club appointing ETH or giving him the tools he needs to build anything but a man can dream.
Tottenham won't compete for the title under Conte and I'm sure he will implode in a season or two when he doesn't get what he wants or Kane is sold.
Hes also only getting top 4 because United and Arsenal are doing their best Spurs impression. I still wouldn't bet on Spurs doing a Spurs before the end of the season either.
Very good manager but not a long term appointment and a bit too close to Mourinho to have worked at United.
We would have appointed him, probably got top 4 by the skin of our teeth, given him £150m to spend in the summer and been in the same position we are now in 2 years time with perhaps a cup to show for it.
I want real root change at the club. Not another plaster that papers over the gaping cracks in the club but doesn't lead anywhere but disappointment and wasted years. Not going to lie, I have no faith in the club appointing ETH or giving him the tools he needs to build anything but a man can dream.
He wouldn't have been a long/medium term solution. But he may have got better out the players we have. Don't think spurs performances bar a few have merited the praise he's getting. They've been ok. With son and kane you've always got a chance but the rest of the squad isn't spectacular. Our problems are structural and mental application rather than talent. He would have done better in that regard in hindsight. But I've been very disappointed with ragnick must admit.
They really do. It's remarkable how these two constantly help each other outperform both their xGs. None of the forwards we have has managed to develop that kind of understanding with his teammates. They all just thrive on being served goals on a plate, and they are willing to work only for themselves on the pitch.
There too many negative myths attached to conte.
1st myth being he plays negative football but his juventus, Chelsea, inter and current spurs side all have never been goal shy sides and have been far more entertaining than anything we have served up from fergie's last few years at the club up until the present.
Myth 2 being he leaves clubs in a mess but Chelsea still had a good side when he left, same with inter who are still a title challenging side and juventus who carried on winning titles.
Myth 3 being he is a short term manager but he spent a long time at juventus by current modern day standards and helped build them back up to winning serie a, he didn't spend long at Chelsea but hey who the hell does since going way back to even when Ken bates was in charge and Chelsea were going over his head with transfer dealings, he spent two years at inter and would have stayed on had it not been for budget cuts and with spurs it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't stay long because levy does his managers no favours by penny pinching with buying players and shows a lack of ambition to match a seriel winner's ambition in conte.
1st myth being he plays negative football but his juventus, Chelsea, inter and current spurs side all have never been goal shy sides and have been far more entertaining than anything we have served up from fergie's last few years at the club up until the present.
Myth 2 being he leaves clubs in a mess but Chelsea still had a good side when he left, same with inter who are still a title challenging side and juventus who carried on winning titles.
Myth 3 being he is a short term manager but he spent a long time at juventus by current modern day standards and helped build them back up to winning serie a, he didn't spend long at Chelsea but hey who the hell does since going way back to even when Ken bates was in charge and Chelsea were going over his head with transfer dealings, he spent two years at inter and would have stayed on had it not been for budget cuts and with spurs it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't stay long because levy does his managers no favours by penny pinching with buying players and shows a lack of ambition to match a seriel winner's ambition in conte.
If he hadnt been backed in the Jan window, then I don't think we would be in a much different situation. The players can't or won't take instruction from RR, so Conte shouting and bawling would have had them crying to Murtough.
Even I would listen more to conte than Rangnick tbh.
One is a proven legendary winner. Rangnick is a manager that helped create something thet he didn't exactly perfect.
I'd love to see conte choke rashford because of his laziness combined with idiotic decision making.
Yes, but the Glazers would not have been able to handle his calling them out. Too bad. Looks like they will not have Champions League money as a result. Not like it was unforeseeable. They were hoping for a Ralf miracle but that was just a bet.
The board didn't make the right decision. They should have brought in Conte when they had the chance.
You see I would listen to whoever was my manager because I am getting paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a week to be a footballer. If any player doesn't listen to a manager because the manager hasn't won enough trophies they are a fecking idiot and should be sold. The sheer arrogance to think that you as a player should be deciding whether or not to listen to and execute a managers plan is quite frankly absurd.
Many of these players are also the ones that didn't listen to Mourinho as well and he has won everything there is to win. Perhaps, just perhaps they are quite happy to get paid ridiculous salaries and just repeatedly throw managers under the bus as soon as they can't be bothered.
Unlikely, we'd just be seeing a different set of headlines.
"United players find Conte too miserable"
"Players scared to approach Conte"
"Confusion at United as squad is divided on whether Conte's hair is real"
"United players find Conte too miserable"
"Players scared to approach Conte"
"Confusion at United as squad is divided on whether Conte's hair is real"
This.
What is this utterly bizarre issue that Utd fans (and board) have with simply employing the best manager for the role?
The current Utd squad is MADE for Conte, not ETH - Utd reject Conte.
Conte is proven at being able to dominate the PL - Utd reject Conte, Conte goes on to thrash City.
Conte actually wanted the Utd job - Utd reject Conte.
No, instead chase after ETH, who is unproven at PL level and deploys a type of football that is COMPLETELY unsuited to the current Utd squad, and thus, he will need to be backed in completely assembling a new squad (not usually popular with owners).
It’s just bizarre… I genuinely believe it might have some kind of deep, subconscious roots in not wanting to succeed and thus moving away from the Ferguson era.
In short - yes, of fecking course Conte would’ve succeeded with Utd. And it’s utterly baffling that Utd just sat there and let him go to Spurs, thus ensuring their own failure to get Champions League football, while simultaneously ensuring Spurs success.
Really? All I can think off is pogba, shaw and possibly lindelof and yet all 3 of those played well when ole took over from him, also real madrid stars downed tools under mourinho and Chelsea stars doing the same under mourinho but both teams went onto do well the following season.
The rubbish we have seen post ole is on ragnick just being average to poor in every department and you only have to look at his manager record to realise he is out of his depth managing a big club and big personalities, ole was able to create a good run of results and atmosphere when he took over from the toxic end of mourinho reign so there should be no excuse for ragnick not achieving nothing positive at all at the club
People can say what they want. I will honestly kill to have a manager with such passion on the touch line like Conte and Klopp. These guys' emotions make it clear they really breathe football.
Yes but can we do a proper clearout when you know how utterly obsessed these leeches are with commercial success
They were scared shirtless of him and didn't want someone dragging them out for their utter incompetence
That is the $64 question.
Interestingly the Glazers have no good options left with the Super League dead. They either have to drastically curtail their commercial priorities in order to achieve top four, or see the value of their asset plummet anyway. In fact their best option right now is to sell.
Conte would have got more out of the team because he doesn't play high press which this team is ill suited to. But he wouldn't have won anything for the same reason.
This is just plain missing the point. Wise teams either pick a singular strategy or hire managers who can leave something behind that another manager can build on. United has not been doing that majority of the time since Fergie left and have paid severely for it. Hiring Conte would have been same old shit just a different day.
Simple answer is yes because he takes no bullshit. Would he have lasted with these owners, doubt it. Probably why they didn't go for him, they only want yes men at this club.
I hear all this talk about short term gains in bringing in Conte but sorry that’s a load of crap. There were disagreements between himself and managements of Chelsea and Inter and that’s it. If he does an awesome job here in his first season and we yield to his demands (which I believe we’d be more than willing to do to a performer), then Conte and our club would be a match in heaven. There is no evidence yet that RR is the man long term and Ted Hag unfortunately has zero experience in the premier league. Even Pep struggled in his first season here. I think we missed a trick when we didn’t sign Conte and Spurs are the beneficiaries as the table would show. We always find a way to make bad decision upon bad decision when going for a manager. It’s terrible.
Probably not and if he would do well at first he'd go crazy with the team and would be out of the door in 6 months probably.
Again this. Could you explain what does it mean?
Spurs have him 18 months, so of course we could have done. It would have been a smart move and he's the type of personality to either get these lazy feckers performing or out of the door.
No it wouldn't. We would have missed the chance for a sustainable rebuild under a long term manager this summer.
Conte is a great manager for quick results but he is not the play for us.