Would Conte got the best out of this team?

Why do people think this team is weak? We have a strong squad.

we are not great at CDM and RB, that's pretty much it. But we have very good players in every other position....I guess since the loss of greenwood, martial gone, our offense also is lacking... but still, good enough of a squad to win more of these games than we are, in my opinion
 
Not the best, but we wouldn't be losing and drawing as many games. Tactically he's way better than Rangnick, and he would have brought with him much better coaches. Ventrone is a world class fitness coach, and the rest of his coaching squad has been with him practically forever. That would have made a huge difference. Rangnick set us up with wingers defending narrowly against Conte's wing back system - and was quite honestly rescued from that mistake by a Ronaldo hattrick. The only bright spot is that because of this terrible performance we might end up with Ten Hag and a board willing to let him rebuild the team pretty much like he wants to. I very much doubt that would have been the case if Conte came in and got us fourth.

I just hope they also remember to bring in world class coaches when Ten Hag joins...
 
Nope, the problem is far deeper than the manager. It's the culture of the club.

The players know they'll outlast the manager if it becomes a war of attrition.

Under Mourinho they downed tools and I suspect they'd have done the same for Conte.
 
Conte wouldn't have taken an interim 6 month position so the question is totally pointless.

But if he did, the players absolutely would've given up after 1 match & thrown him under the bus like Ralf too.

What's done us in is giving our shower the chance to throw the manager under the bus with no repercussions in the first place.
 
We dodged a bullet with Conte. Maybe we'd have finished 4th this season, maybe not but we'd be looking for a new manager in 2-3 years with an even more fecked up squad than we have now. We're getting ETH or Poch. The rebuild will start soon enough.
 
It's time people on here faced reality. He has a lot more quality to work with. Our squad is mid to lower table level at best. So answer is no he wouldn't get a tune out of our present squad.
 
He would have got us top 4, but honestly I still don’t want him. I know ETH is a risk, but the notion that for the first time in a decade we could be playing attractive coherent football? Very appealing to someone like me who struggles to be attentive during our matches.
 
He would have .. and looking at his track record he might have even won us the league next season if he got the players he wanted ..
 
simplyared said:
It's time people on here faced reality. He has a lot more quality to work with. Our squad is mid to lower table level at best. So answer is no he wouldn't get a tune out of our present squad.
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Our squad is better than Spurs ..
 
peridigm said:
We dodged a bullet with Conte. Maybe we'd have finished 4th this season, maybe not but we'd be looking for a new manager in 2-3 years with an even more fecked up squad than we have now. We're getting ETH or Poch. The rebuild will start soon enough.
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what is rebuild?
 
In the short term he definitely would have done better (It's tough to imagine someone having done worse), but in the medium to long term would he be the right choice? That's a more difficult question to answer, and I would say probably not.
 
Yes, of course. And he wanted to join us. I don't understand why we did not hire him. It was another blunder by our owners.

Does anyone feel certain that Ten Hag is a better manager than Conte?
 
peridigm said:
We dodged a bullet with Conte. Maybe we'd have finished 4th this season, maybe not but we'd be looking for a new manager in 2-3 years with an even more fecked up squad than we have now. We're getting ETH or Poch. The rebuild will start soon enough.
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Dodged a bullet? Ok mate!
 
peridigm said:
We dodged a bullet with Conte. Maybe we'd have finished 4th this season, maybe not but we'd be looking for a new manager in 2-3 years with an even more fecked up squad than we have now. We're getting ETH or Poch. The rebuild will start soon enough.
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How long are you expecting the next manager to last?
 
Majima said:
Conte wouldn't have taken an interim 6 month position so the question is totally pointless.
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He took 18 months at Spurs. You just sack him in the summer and it's paid for by the CL income for next season
 
frostbite said:
Yes, of course. And he wanted to join us. I don't understand why we did not hire him. It was another blunder by our owners.

Does anyone feel certain that Ten Hag is a better manager than Conte?
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We need to start from scratch and Conte is way too abrasive for that. Ten Hag is a current top level coach, when is the last time we can say we had one of those?
 
frostbite said:
Yes, of course. And he wanted to join us. I don't understand why we did not hire him. It was another blunder by our owners.

Does anyone feel certain that Ten Hag is a better manager than Conte?
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How can Ten Hag be better than Conte when he hasn't won anything outside of the Eredivisie ( managing the biggest team in Netherlands).

Might as well name Frank de Boer as great manager for his Eredivisie titles with Ajax.

Ten Hag has to be proved in a top league yet, right now he hasn't done more than Leonardo Jardim who won Ligue 1 with Monaco(far from being the team with the highest resources in France) and reached semifinals in the UCL.
 
He wouldn't, even christ will have a had time getting a tune out of these group of spoilt, overpaid machineries.
 
Yes mainly down to the fact the would be full time manager not interim like Ralf

These feck heads have no interest in performing for a part time manager
 
peridigm said:
We dodged a bullet with Conte. Maybe we'd have finished 4th this season, maybe not but we'd be looking for a new manager in 2-3 years with an even more fecked up squad than we have now. We're getting ETH or Poch. The rebuild will start soon enough.
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Agreed.
 
He would have gotten us top 4 and also have pinpointed all the rotten eggs in the squad.
Ralf is just a Yes Man. So So passive.
 
It’s a two way street really.
Have our players (many different players from 2013 until now) more or less let us / the club / the managers down?

Or has the club actually let our players down since 2013 by not providing them with a top class manager?

Who have we actually hired who even comes close to Pep, Conte, Klopp, Tuchel?
 
Obviously Conte would have improved Utd.

For starters, Kulusevski would now be a Utd player.
 
Do people realize that Conte and Ten Hag have the same age? They are both 52.

How can some people be so certain that Ten Hag is a better choice than Conte? I also have *the hope* that he will prove he is better, but at this point I realise that this is just wishful thinking, it's far from certain. Actually the evidence says that Conte is the better manager, more experienced, more driven, more accomplished.
 
I felt that when Spurs got Conte they would finish ahead of us. Not getting Conte was another in a long list of feck ups by the board. Nothing will truly change until the Glazers leave.
 
united for life said:
He’s so far taken the team to 4th place. They are playing good attacking football. They put 5 against both Everton and Newcastle, 4 against Leeds and today Villa, 3 against West Ham and City (a game that they won also). They even scored 2 when they lost against us. I read a stat the other day that at some point before Nuno got sacked, Spurs went for like 2 hours with no shot on target. So Conte has really got things going for them. He demands a lot from his players and has proven to be tactically smart.

the difference between us and them is that:

1- they do not have big egos in the dressing room, unlike at united
2- the expectations and media pressure at united is a different level. That would always be a key aspect of the game u fortunately

with that said, I think he would’ve made a difference, but with this set of players and disjointed squad, any manager would still suffer. We all know we need a rebuild… again!
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The ACTUAL difference is they have a squad suited to his football and we don't. Aided by having a set up with a man he trusts in Paratici running transfers for him as D.O.F. Conte would have just been Mourinho 2.0. Short term success and long term disaster
 
Yes. He’d of got rid of the lazy attitude that surrounds the players, and shipped those that wouldn’t work.

Ndombele, Deli etc didn’t last at Spurs when Conte signed for good reason.
 
Yes of course. We’d play counter attack but it’s not the long term solution so moot point.
 
Yes. Absolutely in the short term. Don’t know how we’d be a couple of years down the road. Although maybe right now we should just forget about “building right “
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
The ACTUAL difference is they have a squad suited to his football and we don't. Aided by having a set up with a man he trusts in Paratici running transfers for him as D.O.F. Conte would have just been Mourinho 2.0. Short term success and long term disaster
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so you are writing off the 2 differences i mentioned? Aren’t these 2 problems we are facing? I agree with you, the players we have do not suit a 343
 
balaks said:
Perhaps you can share this wisdom
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I did it to death on this forum. No point in revisiting it. If anyone has followed Conte's career, the football he prefers, the tactics, the set up he prefers working under and how he interacts with the board if they miss even one of his demands, yet STILL can't see why him being appointed by this United would have been an awful decision. There is nothing further to discuss
 
ravi2 said:
I felt that when Spurs got Conte they would finish ahead of us. Not getting Conte was another in a long list of feck ups by the board. Nothing will truly change until the Glazers leave.
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I don't know but your board really afraid of Neville and co reaction about sacking ole when Conte was available. Neville is sick for your club. He proved he was nothing as a manager and saying stupid things like Conte not fit for United. Then say simeone should be appointed as United manager. Wtf.
 
He would obviously have been better than Rangnick. He's one of Europe's best managers while Rangnick is only fit for an interim role. There was no real expectation that Rangnick would be as good as Conte.

The question is whether he's a better bet than Ten Hag. Which he may well also be, we'll have to see.

But the crucial point to my mind is that we're again at a stage where we need to rebuild, which I hope we will now do with the conviction to pursue a style of play that will last beyond the next manager. In other words I want us to build a squad to suit the next manager's style of play and if that manager happens to fail I want us to then appoint another manager stylistically similar enough to succeed with the same squad. And so on. Given that, I'd sooner ETH's brand of football be our ground text than Conte's.

Also, ETH is a less abrasive character. Which can bring benefits too. You don't actually want your manager to be in conflict with his bosses at any point.
 
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