Would Conte got the best out of this team?

united for life said:
so you are writing off the 2 differences i mentioned? Aren’t these 2 problems we are facing? I agree with you, the players we have do not suit a 343
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I am. Only because they have no relevance as to why Conte wouldn't work at United. After all Conte is a proven master of dealing with big egoes and big pressure.
Briefly Conte wouldn't work at United due to our squad, our set up off the field and our fans would never take to his preferred tactics.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
Your probably not wronbut I bet you would of said the same last season. Just because we’re Manchester united doesn’t mean we automatically deserve champions league football.

We have to do way way way way way better than this to even get near it next season. Other teams strengthen too. Other teams improve, not just us. If the board let the new manager run away with this squad and literally do what they want, we have a chance.

try and hold on to this dross, no chance. They are already giving players new contracts before the manager comes in. Can’t be doing that right now, unless they know who’s coming in and our acting on instructions.
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I said it because ultimately I think Ten Hag will be better for us and Conte will unravel at Spurs if he stays there next season.

Also in the long term I do not think Conte would be a good manager for us. Like Jose he likes to sign players for now and not the long term of the club.
 
Cassidy said:
I said it because ultimately I think Ten Hag will be better for us and Conte will unravel at Spurs if he stays there next season.

Also in the long term I do not think Conte would be a good manager for us. Like Jose he likes to sign players for now and not the long term of the club.
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Agreed, I’d prefer ten hag. We need the next big thing in football and he could be it.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I am. Only because they have no relevance as to why Conte wouldn't work at United. After all Conte is a proven master of dealing with big egoes and big pressure.
Briefly Conte wouldn't work at United due to our squad, our set up off the field and our fans would never take to his preferred tactics.
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that’s another problem. Lots of influence from outside.

dealing with a player with a big ego is something, dealing with the egos and mentalities in our current team is a different challenge.

Anyway, agree to disagree
 
Conte is a very short term manager. Very much like Mourinho.

Don't think he would have the needed desire to manage this group of players...

This is a compliment to him. He can see very fast who wants to improve and who doesn't care.
 
united for life said:
that’s another problem. Lots of influence from outside.

dealing with a player with a big ego is something, dealing with the egos and mentalities in our current team is a different challenge.

Anyway, agree to disagree
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He dealt with Costa at Chelsea to get him firing to the title. This thing of Conte is only for 2-3 seasons etc I don’t understand that is 99% of managers just because City and Pool struck gold with Pep and Klopp doesn’t take away from the fact the elite clubs don’t hire managers with the expectation of 5+ years.

It’s the only bad thing about SAF people want a long term manager but the only reason he was long term was he was always winning but it wasn’t the norm then and certainly isn’t now
 
He's a top class manager so it's reasonable to expect we'd have a couple more wins on the board as that's what top managers do, they find a way. We'd be in a decent position to finish 4th but by no means guaranteed.

He wouldn't have covered every hole just as he can't at Spurs. It's not a good squad of players, we are where we are for a combination of reasons and the playing quality certainly figures highly.
 
While it is perfectly legit not wanting a particular coach, and United going for ten Hag is an intriguing move indeed, the collection of excuses made here to justify renouncing immediate contention is just… waffle? Conte has won it all as a player at Juve and is continuing to win consistently at elite level as a coach. No sane player won’t respect his resume and risk being considered an utter fool. Anyway, not going for the best available coach is just kicking the can more down the road while sacrificing two or three years again with another high risk bet: the job at United is 20% coaching players, 80% managing all the rest: club, media, fans, rivals.
 
Cassidy said:
He would have got us in the top 4. Im pretty sure of that. But Im not convinced he was the right long term choice
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My feeling as well. Unlike RR Conte is an actual manager not a complete fraud but he'd of been another short term fix until it inevitably went to shit which it will do at Spurs eventually (Christ the only game we have won in months was against his side)
 
I think his combination of recent success and decent reputation/ stature and no-nonsense style would be most likely to get our players playing closer to their top level. The problem is we don’t have a Kane or Son (a few others of theirs would probably get in our team as well) and so I wouldn’t really expect him to do any better with us than he is doing with Spurs but even that is better than what we got right now.

Long term he might do okay and would at least tell the board to feck off every chance he gets.

I guess he doesn’t do long term anyway but I’d take him at this point.
 
If he was appointed interim manager then NO. These players would still throw him under the bus. If he was appointed Manager then he would ship out who does not follow his orders.
 
Luke1995 said:
Conte is a very short term manager. Very much like Mourinho.
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I think that this is another misconception. All managers today are very short term. Especially if they don't win trophies with top teams. See Poch at PSG, Ancelotti, managers at Bayern, Barca, etc. There are very few managers who stay more than 3 years. If Ten Hag does not win anything for 2 years, he will also be sacked.
 
No. The team is rotten to the core. Time to move on all the high earners.
 
Cassidy said:
He would have got us in the top 4. Im pretty sure of that. But Im not convinced he was the right long term choice
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sugar_kane said:
The issue is that he isn't the answer long term, and we would have had to offer him at least a three year contract.
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Couldn’t we have offered him an 18 months contract like Chelsea initially did with Tuchel? It could have been an acceptable compromise.
 
frostbite said:
I think that this is another misconception. All managers today are very short term. Especially if they don't win trophies with top teams. See Poch at PSG, Ancelotti, managers at Bayern, Barca, etc. There are very few managers who stay more than 3 years. If Ten Hag does not win anything for 2 years, he will also be sacked.
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May as well not bother hiring him then, cause I'll bet you anything he'll not win anything in his first 2 seasons, no manager would in our current state.
 
Top 4 race would be pretty much over by now had you got Conte but he'd never be able to go further without fecking off 80% of your squad and £700m in cash to step up next season which is obviously impossible. He'd be a poor choice as your are 4-5 years and a major operation away from challenging and Conte doesn't do 5 year stints.
 
Managing this United team would have broken Conte. He cares so much it’d drive him completely insane in no time. Either that, or we’d start to try. But that I doubt
 
Whether we end up with Ten Hag, as seems likely, or someone else we have to be honest and acknowledge that they're not currently as good as Conte, who was the one manager we could have got who is capable of competing with Klopp and Guardiola. If he had come in I'd pretty sure we would have made 4th and we would potentially be a really dangerous team next season too.

The club were very keen to put it out there that they full backed Ole at the time he was available and then, even when Solskjaer left, missing out on Conte was portrayed as not being an issue given he doesn't align with the club's vision under the new football administrators, albeit I've not see anything to convince me that there is any sort of strategy yet, when in reality I suspect the board had a very reductive and not very accurate idea that Conte is like Mourinho and they didn't want the hassle again.
 
T00lsh3d said:
Managing this United team would have broken Conte. He cares so much it’d drive him completely insane in no time. Either that, or we’d start to try. But that I doubt
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I can guarantee if you went on Tottenham forums before he came in there would be similar views about their players as there are on here. You give players a top quality manager who can motivate them and has a vision that they can buy into and the hard work will come, footballers don't get to that level without having that in them to be extracted by the right person. We haven't exactly gone for the top class of managers replacing a guy who was previously competing for 2nd in the Norwegian league with an interim who was most recently a consultant at Lokomotiv Moscow.

A lot of the squad would need replacing to get anywhere near City or Liverpool but I'm pretty sure we would comfortably have made top 4 with Conte. I can sort of understand the reservations about getting him in terms of how he would go for the long-term but I think we'd have massively improved this year and next.
 
Yes 100%, he would have been reunited with 2 players that he had good relationship with at former clubs in pogba and matic and 352 would have suited our team's weaknesses and strengths by setting up as

__lindelof_varane_maguire
Dalot__pogba_matic_fred_shaw
____________Fernandes
____________ronaldo

Fernandes would be in a role best suited to him as second striker as he is neither a midfielder or a number 10, contest direct style would suit ronaldo, Maguire would look more assured in a 3 man defence, pogba would be given a role he knew well at juve in a 3 man midfield under conte, wingback position for dalot and shaw help cover their defensive issues, it wouldn't surprise me if conte would have even tried turning bissaka into a cb in a 3 man defence or using lingard as a right wing back and can imagine he would have liked bailly's aggressive style
 
T00lsh3d said:
Managing this United team would have broken Conte. He cares so much it’d drive him completely insane in no time. Either that, or we’d start to try. But that I doubt
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Agreed. After a short spell with the group of players and dealing with the business men running the football club Conte would probably quit management altogether.
 
There was a point where he nearly quit Spurs. Don't think he'd last a full month with the way our players apply themselves on the pitch.
 
Who cares? He is not in charge of Manchester United and he will not be for the forseeable future.? We need to concentrate on our own project with a new manager and coaching set up and not be concerned about Conte, Rodgers, Tuchel nor anyone else.
 
Never mind Conte, I don’t think Pep or Klopp would have got a tune out of these group of imposters. Especially when they aren’t willing to do the bare minimum.
 
Ralph1386 said:
Please explain why you don’t think this option could have been considered. I know this is all hypothetical and opinion-based. What’s your opinion?
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If we want to go in a certain direction then we need to stop with the short termist rubbish. Which is what Conte would have been.
 
I believe Contè would have us guaranteed top 4 and probably still in the CL if he was appointed after OGS.
Without doubt he is a top manager.
He wasn’t appointed though so F —k it.
 
Short term, maybe, but he'd walk out in the summer regardless when he saw the transfer budget and we'd again miss out on our preferred management choice.
 
Idxomer said:
He would've done much better if they hired him right away after the Liverpool game.
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That game between us and Spurs was like an NFL game between two crap sides who are trying to fail to get the best draft pick. Only problem was that we didn't realise it.
 
Flying_Heckfish said:
Short term, maybe, but he'd walk out in the summer regardless when he saw the transfer budget and we'd again miss out on our preferred management choice.
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This is true. Even if we gave him £150 million, he'd still complain somehow. I think he could've got 4th but I'm kinda glad we didn't hire him. Firstly, it means we get ten Hag who's a better long term option and secondly, means these players are more likely to be kicked out on their arse which they deserve for their laziness.
 
Of course. We made a huge mistake not going for Conte. He's a top class manager who knows what he wants. He would've signed the right players in Jan, and he wouldn't have allowed anyone to give less than 100%. Looking at the club right now, a winner like Conte would've been perfect for us. That doesn't mean that Ten hag won't work, but at the time we made the wrong decision yet again.
 
I said Conte would get Spurs 4th in another thread when he was announced and I still stand by it.

I think the fact Rangnick struggled to get a decent coach in is why we've crumbled, the owners don't give a shit about the club unless the revenue drops drastically and it affects their dividends. We are not going to be successful with them in charge its been 9 years and counting. 13 PL titles has cursed us!
 
I think Conte is effective in going in and “cleaning up” a team in a way Jose used to be, but isn’t anymore.
 
If he joined at the START of the season, yes. After Ole left even SAF wouldnt be able to perform miracle with these shower of shite, will probably still get top 4 and entertain us though because he is one of a kind.
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Never mind Conte, I don’t think Pep or Klopp would have got a tune out of these group of imposters. Especially when they aren’t willing to do the bare minimum.
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Yeah shirkers FC and please no one give me the tiredness bollocks either
 
According to the forum RR is getting the best from the team that ole left him. Amazing that this best is worse than what ole got, makes no sense in fact, but don't ask questions
 
Given the choice of bringing in Conte instead of Ralf or waiting a few months to bring in TH/Poch then I'm going for the latter every day of the week.
 
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