Would Antonio Conte been able to get the best out of our bunch or are they beyond repair?
Would Conte got the best out of this team?
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We have a better squad than Spurs, so yes. Also, Ralph didn't make such fuss over not having any signing in January. If Conte was here, we would have gotten two solid players that would have helped guide us to fourth place. Kulseviski and bentacur into our team would have been a good improvement to our squad.
He would've done much better if they hired him right away after the Liverpool game.
He would have got us in the top 4. Im pretty sure of that. But Im not convinced he was the right long term choice
Looking at the plethora of embarassing results Spurs have had under him, I doubt it.
Ralph did not publicly make a fuss. And I dont think we would have backed Conte as an interim actually.
Spurs got those players because of Patricis links with Juve
I don't think we have a massively better squad than Spurs anymore. Kulu and Bentacour have improved them a lot
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Got us top 4 and then probably have fallen out with the board leaving us with more deadwood.
Yes, because he's one of the best managers in the world
I didn't want him (and still wouldn't) but it would be very hard to have done worse than Ralf.
Shock fecking horror the team that went out and got the only available world class coach at the time are probably going to get top 4. Not a surprise is it? They will spend money in the summer and be better next season too.
they will want to keep him and will do what he wants.
they will want to keep him and will do what he wants.
Conte is one of the greats of this generation so yes. However in the long run let's see - if Ten Haag is good enough, someone with his style of play may suit us better.
No. The club is now beyond repair and will never compete again at the top level.
Nah, according to Gary 'failed manager' Neville he's not a United manager. Insert smug face.
I guess he should have?
. I think if Conte said he needed players, we would have backed him. I know the situation are different as we spent so much last window, but if we offloaded some players Conte didn't want, I believe he could have gotten players in January hereWe’ll finish above them next season
Of course he would have. He's done better already with a worse team. Hiring some random guy to replace an incompetent coach doesn't change that.
This is a myth. Just because we are playing badly it doesn't mean we have a poor squad. In the beginning of the season if we had this same conversation, it wouldn't even be a discussion.
Yes - absolutely. That's what good manager is for. And we didn't have a good manager for many years.
absolutely
He would have done a better job this season, without a shadow of a doubt. The issue is that he isn't the answer long term, and we would have had to offer him at least a three year contract.
We needed someone who could shake the players out of their stupour and keep them focussed and motivated, Rangnick isn't the man for that - which is why he was a rubbish choice. Conte would have got us top 4, but it would have been more papering over the cracks instead of sorting us out long term.
We needed someone who could shake the players out of their stupour and keep them focussed and motivated, Rangnick isn't the man for that - which is why he was a rubbish choice. Conte would have got us top 4, but it would have been more papering over the cracks instead of sorting us out long term.
Yes. He’s a proven elite manager. The problem is the snobbery amongst fans who believe football should be played one way
As long as board backing poor players over great manager nobody able to make the team perform consistently. Conte might be your another Jose but at least you can see he will not pick fights.
United fans would have instantly fell in love with him. He is engaging and passionate. One of the few coaches who tactically drill the teams with patterns and multiple options to players in game scenario.
United fans would have instantly fell in love with him. He is engaging and passionate. One of the few coaches who tactically drill the teams with patterns and multiple options to players in game scenario.
Taskmaster and winner so probably would have us at top4, long term not the most awesome perhaps. He is very tough coach if rumors are true. Our players would have found a way to make him loose his hair a second time.
Considering Spurs have scored more goals than any other team since the start of the year I'd say the suggestion he is a defensive coach look rather foolish.
Your probably not wronbut I bet you would of said the same last season. Just because we’re Manchester united doesn’t mean we automatically deserve champions league football.
We have to do way way way way way better than this to even get near it next season. Other teams strengthen too. Other teams improve, not just us. If the board let the new manager run away with this squad and literally do what they want, we have a chance.
try and hold on to this dross, no chance. They are already giving players new contracts before the manager comes in. Can’t be doing that right now, unless they know who’s coming in and our acting on instructions.
Spurs have Kane and Son, who are genuinely world class. They are consistent and more often than not, make the right decisions in the final third, which as a result, wins games for their team.
We have a massively out of form Rashford, a teenager in Elanga, a player in Sancho who is still trying to find his feet and a 37 year old Ronaldo. None of the aforementioned players are on par with Son and Kane, but it would of course be interesting to see how we'd have got on had we gone in for Conte. Based on the system he's playing now, I think he'd have gone for something like:
Rashford Ronaldo Sancho
Telles Fred McTominay Dalot
Shaw Maguire Varane
De Gea
Reckon he'd have definitely gone in the market for a centre midfielder, potentially a winger and wing-back in January.
We have a massively out of form Rashford, a teenager in Elanga, a player in Sancho who is still trying to find his feet and a 37 year old Ronaldo. None of the aforementioned players are on par with Son and Kane, but it would of course be interesting to see how we'd have got on had we gone in for Conte. Based on the system he's playing now, I think he'd have gone for something like:
Rashford Ronaldo Sancho
Telles Fred McTominay Dalot
Shaw Maguire Varane
De Gea
Reckon he'd have definitely gone in the market for a centre midfielder, potentially a winger and wing-back in January.
feck Conte. The problem lays with our board
I don't think so. Not because he is bad manager or anything like that. He is very good manager. But we know our players by now. We need to sell and let few of them go in the summer.
How else are you judging how good the squad is aside from the results? How good looking they are?
Yes. In hindsight the hiring of an interim manager has not helped these players develop any sort of fixed style of play and confidence, which was already in short supply, has waned further.
Whether he could push for honours is another question. Indeed it is the biggest question facing any United manager. At least a poor season means lowered expectation and the chance for the new man to have time next season. Whoever comes in needs time even if it was Guardiola and Klopp as his assistant. A culture needs creating.
Whether he could push for honours is another question. Indeed it is the biggest question facing any United manager. At least a poor season means lowered expectation and the chance for the new man to have time next season. Whoever comes in needs time even if it was Guardiola and Klopp as his assistant. A culture needs creating.
Poor manager. Our players are underperforming because of that. Under Ole, this squad came second and even went to the final of the europa league. And Ole is another poor manager. So, I don't see our squad being as bad as you making it out to beHow else are you judging our squad on aside from results? How good looking they are?
In the PL, since Conte took over they’ve scored 47 goals, only City (50) and Pool (48) have scored more… In the same period we have scored 30 goals.
Too many good players in the world to be playing 5 at the back
He’s so far taken the team to 4th place. They are playing good attacking football. They put 5 against both Everton and Newcastle, 4 against Leeds and today Villa, 3 against West Ham and City (a game that they won also). They even scored 2 when they lost against us. I read a stat the other day that at some point before Nuno got sacked, Spurs went for like 2 hours with no shot on target. So Conte has really got things going for them. He demands a lot from his players and has proven to be tactically smart.
the difference between us and them is that:
1- they do not have big egos in the dressing room, unlike at united
2- the expectations and media pressure at united is a different level. That would always be a key aspect of the game u fortunately
with that said, I think he would’ve made a difference, but with this set of players and disjointed squad, any manager would still suffer. We all know we need a rebuild… again!
the difference between us and them is that:
1- they do not have big egos in the dressing room, unlike at united
2- the expectations and media pressure at united is a different level. That would always be a key aspect of the game u fortunately
with that said, I think he would’ve made a difference, but with this set of players and disjointed squad, any manager would still suffer. We all know we need a rebuild… again!
Conte would've fallen out with this sheepish board already.
They were scared of hiring one of the best managers in the world because of the control he'd demand and we have to watch another top 4 rival reap the rewards of not being cowardly.
They better give the next manager carte blanche or else we'll be in the same place in a few years
They were scared of hiring one of the best managers in the world because of the control he'd demand and we have to watch another top 4 rival reap the rewards of not being cowardly.
They better give the next manager carte blanche or else we'll be in the same place in a few years
We would have had the satisfaction of seeing him go apeshit in disgust on the touchline but that’s about it.
Nah, most of this team is beyond repair. He might've gotten top 4 just because he's a better manager in most regards than Rangnick, at least short term, and were not that far off despite being shit but no one is turning this bunch of losers into a competent team.
Just for the avoidance of doubt, under Ole we lost 5-0 against Liverpool at home, 2-0 against City at home in a training session, 4-1 against relegation Watford and 4-2 against an out-of-form Leicester.
We have woeful players and even if Conte came in and worked miracles short term (I wanted him), long term we'd back to the same shitshow because of the clowns running us and the clowns playing for us.
No , the players are not good enough and there is no character in the squad, we don't like to admit it but it is true. Any manager would struggle with this lot.