We need to invest in one or two pacey players to unlock our teams potential. Otherwise it'll be more of the same as last season.
Wot, no transfers?
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Without a tactical change, it’ll be more of the same regardless who we sign, but I suppose this isn’t the thread for this matter.
Could be other factors, but this world cup also seems to highlight the dangers of older players. By and large the younger teams have been better. I'd be seriously worried about any players near 30.
God damn I'm bored of this transfer window. I know the World Cup is on, but bloody hell its dull.
Rumours from our point of view are practically one in every 2 to 3 days, and even then it's just the same repetitive shit.
Really hope it heats up the day after the World Cup ends. I'll be even more bored then, so will be in crying need of some juicy goss/moves.
It would be nice to maybe get one more signing in before our first tour game on 20th of July, especially if they weren't in the World Cup so they actually end up playing - looking at you Alexandro Sandro/Bale
Rumours from our point of view are practically one in every 2 to 3 days, and even then it's just the same repetitive shit.
Really hope it heats up the day after the World Cup ends. I'll be even more bored then, so will be in crying need of some juicy goss/moves.
It would be nice to maybe get one more signing in before our first tour game on 20th of July, especially if they weren't in the World Cup so they actually end up playing - looking at you Alexandro Sandro/Bale
Haven’t you heard mate? With advances in sporting science, players can play at and maintain their peak level until they’re 50
It gives us depth in defence and possibly one or two of them could become very good players. I'm interested in seeing how Tuanzebe and Mitchell get on. The problem with TFM is that I don't know what position he'll fill.
I could definitely see Tuanzebe becoming a top CB and Mitchell is a dark horse for a great attacking full back. Might not be an instant solution but it's a possible solution if all goes well. One thing is for sure, they can't be ignored. If we signed more players then some would have to go because I could see some of the becoming better than what we have now.
Be honest with yourself, when answering the question below.
You've seen what Jose has done during the last 2 years and also his entire career.
Do you honestly believe that Tuanzebe, TFM and Mitchell are going to be given lots of game time?
Jose will choose men who are in the mid-late 20s, over youngsters, everytime.
In fact, he'd much rather choose a player in his late 20s, who is half injured, than a youngster, who is fully fit. I've seen this happen on numerous occasions, during the last 2 seasons.
I am extremely worried about this.
If we spend big it means that we have decided to chase MCFC.
If we spend conservatively, it means that we have decided not to give chase.
After sitting through a season of people complaining about him playing McTominay, Rashford over Martial, Lingard (not young in age but experience), I'm not ruling anything out. He'll play the players that perform, regardless of age. I don't believe that Jose doesn't trust youngsters. Angel Gomes broke records for being the youngest United player under Jose.
Hang on.
Aren't Croatia using very experienced players in their late 20s and early 30s? And that's the team which is been punching above it's weight.
We expected France to do well.
Belgium and England have done better than predicted.
Ronaldo had the performance of the tournament, when Portugal played Spain and he is early 30s.
Modric is another player who some believe should win player of the tournament. He is in his 30s.
I am not sure any conclusions can be made about World Cup performances, in relation to the age of the players used.
Jose will play whoever is good enough to do the job he wants doing.
Erm Ronnie v Spain is a perfect illustration of my point. He did virtually nothing all match, scored a penalty, a free kick and a jammy goal keeper fluke. Once he didn't do those things, Portugal had nothing because he wasn't able to offer energy all match.
Can't believe anyone would call that performance of the tournament. Best free kick sure.
Dude, I am a big Jose fan. I want him to stay for the next 10 years.
But even I know that youth development is not his thing. It just isn't.
Gomes got a few minutes in meaningless game, season before last. Last season, he got zero minutes.
Last season, McT was getting game time, but once we got to the important, end of season games, he benched the younger players in favour of the older players.
This was the FA Cup team and is what Jose saw as his best, most reliable team, in what was the game of the season (had we won, we'd have won a trophy):
DDG, Valencia, jones, Smalling, Young, Matic, Herrera, Pogba, Lingard, Sanchez, Rashford*
*Rashford started because Lukaku could not play 90 minutes.
All players in mid-late 20s.
It's all because of the World Cup,
No "Big Club" in europe has done any crazy transfers yet, Us, Barca, Real or Bayern haven't signed any big names, Juve have signed a few B grade players and have this big rumour about Ronaldo but it's still only a rumour,
Chelsea, City, Spuds haven't done anything, Pool signed Fabinho and have Keita which will improve them but I wouldn't class them as blockbuster, PSG haven't signed anyone, Atletico have kept Griezman and signed Lemar,
So I think everyone is kinda in the same boat here, transfer business would of been extremely difficult with the world cup happening and it wont ramp up until it's over.
No "Big Club" in europe has done any crazy transfers yet, Us, Barca, Real or Bayern haven't signed any big names, Juve have signed a few B grade players and have this big rumour about Ronaldo but it's still only a rumour,
Chelsea, City, Spuds haven't done anything, Pool signed Fabinho and have Keita which will improve them but I wouldn't class them as blockbuster, PSG haven't signed anyone, Atletico have kept Griezman and signed Lemar,
So I think everyone is kinda in the same boat here, transfer business would of been extremely difficult with the world cup happening and it wont ramp up until it's over.
Be honest people, what player is there out there we could sign that would genuinely make us title contenders? The honest answer is no one. City will most likely get Jorginho and Mahrez and those two will already improve them greatly. Most likely scenario for us is probably Sandro and Willian and I can't see any major difference with those two on the team. I was really hoping Sanchez would be the difference maker, but all that signing did was push Martial and Rashford out of the team.
Not much we could do about it now as we just have to accept Sanchez has that LW spot and that means we desperately need someone on the RW as Martial and Rashford are lost ducklings in that position and with the way Jose constantly wants his wingers to track back and help out in defence I don't really see that many targets out there.
Not much we could do about it now as we just have to accept Sanchez has that LW spot and that means we desperately need someone on the RW as Martial and Rashford are lost ducklings in that position and with the way Jose constantly wants his wingers to track back and help out in defence I don't really see that many targets out there.
Had Ronaldo not been on the pitch, maybe they'd not have won. But I don't want this to turn into a National team debate - I care little about Portugal, Spain or Croatia.
The problem here being that we'll have three weeks to sort our transfers after the tournament, while the rest of Europe needn't rush at all.
We need a right back and a right winger.
For me the left side is good enough in a title winning team, the right side is just too slow with a lack of creativity. I hope it all kicks off after the World Cup.
For me the left side is good enough in a title winning team, the right side is just too slow with a lack of creativity. I hope it all kicks off after the World Cup.
This is correct. Doesn't matter who we get. Till we are sorted tactically, we are going to be boring.
Mourinho's quotes regarding summer attacking signings back in February suggest we won't be making any:
“That’s the point, that’s the objective. The objective is that now we have one, apart from Zlatan Ibrahimoivc but let’s forget Zlatan for the moment, we have only one number nine and from having only one number nine now we have more number nines,” said Mourinho.
“We have Alexis, we have Romelu Lukaku, we have Martial, we have Rashford. Rashford can play on the left and on the right, Alexis is exactly the same, all of them apart from Lukaku can also play from behind, they can also play as a second striker.”
And Mourinho added that such a raft of options insures there is no need to buy more forwards come the end of the season.
“It’s bad for you because you like to have things to write and things to speculate especially in the summer, but I don’t want attacking players so don’t speak about attacking players coming here because nobody is coming here.
“Juan Mata, Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Alexis … I don’t want attacking players so for speculation in the summer you have to go to other areas, but for attacking players I am really happy.
“That’s the point, that’s the objective. The objective is that now we have one, apart from Zlatan Ibrahimoivc but let’s forget Zlatan for the moment, we have only one number nine and from having only one number nine now we have more number nines,” said Mourinho.
“We have Alexis, we have Romelu Lukaku, we have Martial, we have Rashford. Rashford can play on the left and on the right, Alexis is exactly the same, all of them apart from Lukaku can also play from behind, they can also play as a second striker.”
And Mourinho added that such a raft of options insures there is no need to buy more forwards come the end of the season.
“It’s bad for you because you like to have things to write and things to speculate especially in the summer, but I don’t want attacking players so don’t speak about attacking players coming here because nobody is coming here.
“Juan Mata, Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Alexis … I don’t want attacking players so for speculation in the summer you have to go to other areas, but for attacking players I am really happy.
Maybe the owners have looked at the gap between us and City (and other top clubs in Europe) and concluded that the amount we'd have to spend to truly compete with them is not economically viable and that its a much more sustainable model to maintain us as a "top four" team with relatively minimal investment
This was before West Brom, Brighton and Lukaku's injury.
True but I think all clubs in England are struggling with that, we need genuine quality to be brought in not just squad players and I'm sure a big majority of our targets are/were in the WC
Thats all just a big guess but as many have mentioned it's not just us that's not been signing anyone, I get it, we desperately need a few big signing's but they need to be improvements to what we have,
Lets wait and see and not get stressed before the actual window closes
That's certainly what any sensible business person would conclude. Let this cycle of Peps run its course then invest.
Maybe this would lead to us investing in brilliant youth products for the near future.
We will bring in a CB and that will be it.
Been thinking about this for a while but don't want to believe it.
So defeatist.
To the best of my abilities I've tried to mentally accept that's all we'll do, just to make the anger and disappointment a little less.
You’re right there , yet, interestingly, the prices bArca pay don’t seem to get hyped up as much as ours ?
Also , I was referring less to big prices for marquee signings, which is to be expected, and more the quotes we are hearing for players like Arnautovic (50m?.) It seems clubs really try to highball us.
As long as the Glazers are happy with the results that really matter to them - the financial results - this will be the case I feel
I find it very very hard to imagine Jose beating Pep to the title and it's plausible that the Glazers question his spending
Lukaku has been great but hasn't scored like he should in our awful attacking system. Pogba hasn't performed like he can, Sanchez hasn't had an impact or improved us, Lindelof hasn't had a chance.... even Eric Bailly was reported to be dropped for the cup final due to a falling out
I think the owners could well be thinking that success is staying in the top 4
the reality is though with proper scouting and coaching you don't need to throw 50 million at every signing
To compete with City club need first of all to appoint modern manager. Second need to be football core in the club to build the squad for years forward and to agree what is the philosophy need to be here.
I think there's a chance the Glazers don't fancy giving a shit ton of money to a manager who could easily implode in a few months.
The Pilib guy says Mourinho doesn't have much to work with and has been unhappy with the board for some time. Feels he hasn't been backed enough. Don't know what to make of it.
Don't know if it's true but if you are not going to spend whatever it takes, then you should have hired a manager that fits that philosophy.
I do and have always thought the people who think we can spend 200/300m in one window are in fantansy land.
Don't know if it's true but if you are not going to spend whatever it takes, then you should have hired a manager that fits that philosophy.
I do and have always thought the people who think we can spend 200/300m in one window are in fantansy land.
Watching his periscope last night was depressing viewing. Worst thing is, sounds like everything he is saying is correct and Sandro will probably be the only other incoming.
I was hoping Pilib would at least spout some shite that was very unlikely to happen but could get the muppet juices going, but he was as depressing and down as most of us on here.
After watching Hing it. I'm even more sad the world cup is ending.
That has to do with media reports being fabricated. For example when Lewandoski was being paraded around a few weeks ago a german journalist with bayern connections tweeted out that Madrid and PSG weren't interested so now Manchester United were the favourites despite no links to us. Obviously we are not going to get Lewandoski when Lukaku plays every game for us and is one of the most valuable players in the squad yet we were being linked.
Another example is Fred who we bought for £47m + 6m in add ons. Yet Sky were reporting a completely different figure to everyone else and said we bought him for £52m + £9m in add ons.
When it comes to actual transfers we aren't getting hard done by. Lukaku for £75m looks a good deal considering Chelsea got Morata for £60m. It seems any good forward goes for £100m+ these days. Pogba for £90m was because we wanted to outbid Madrid who were also after him for less than that. We paid £35m each for Bailly and Lindeloff which is well below the going rate for most centre backs (Man City have been buying centre backs for £50m a piece for many years now).
Worst transfer season ever. Post Fergie.
Where were you under Moyes?
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