Wot, no transfers?

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dannyrhinos89 said:
I quite like the thought of lindalof, Bailly and Alderweireld as our back 3. If they can stay fit that’s a very solid back line.
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I think if we go to a 3, gives use better potential to get players into the team. You could play lingard out wide of a 5 for example.
 
Litch said:
I think if we go to a 3, gives use better potential to get players into the team. You could play lingard out wide of a 5 for example.
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I don’t think we will play 3 at the back. And why would we play Lingard there, he’s not a winger/ full back/ wing back.
 
It would surprise me hugely if Jose doesn’t at least consider switching to some form of 3-5-2 if we bought Alderweireld especially with our lack of wide players. Two up front with Sanchez and Lukaku would be a real handful for opposing defenders. Pogba could then have freedom.

I’d be surprised if we signed anyone now. No one really seems available. No big moves to start the usual domino effect, it isn’t just us. Think people should calm down really and accept it has been a very strange transfer window all round.
 
Volumiza said:
It would surprise me hugely if Jose doesn’t at least consider switching to some form of 3-5-2 if we bought Alderweireld especially with our lack of wide players. Two up front with Sanchez and Lukaku would be a real handful for opposing defenders. Pogba could then have freedom.

I’d be surprised if we signed anyone now. No one really seems available. No big moves to start the usual domino effect, it isn’t just us. Think people should calm down really and accept it has been a very strange transfer window all round.
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That's my thinking too.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I don’t think we will play 3 at the back. And why would we play Lingard there, he’s not a winger/ full back/ wing back.
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Really? I think he's played out wide for lots of periods in his career and against palace Jose described Lingard’s new role as a ‘fake right back’ (Was tongue in cheek I know) but could easily play out wide in a 5.....
 
ErranMorad said:
My feeling is:

- Darmian will be sold between 10m to 15m Euros
- Rojo will leave for 20m-25m Euros, including bonuses
- We will massively overpay for Alderweireld. I would say above 50m pounds including bonuses.
- Willian and Martial swap will happen. Which will be veryy disappointing.
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We've bought only 1 first team player in the window, so far and you think that in the last 4 days we will do all of the above?
What logic is being used, here?
 
Sassy Colin said:
£60M for a short term signing?
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In 2018, that's what a quality signing, in his late 20s, costs.
For reference, CR7 was sold for £100M, at the age of 33.
Toby is 4 years younger.
For the record, I think that £45M would be the right figure, but if you buy from Spurs, they will charge more. And if you try and push the deal through on deadline day, you will be charged even more. So, £60M, for Toby, would be about right.
 
sunama said:
We've bought only 1 first team player in the window, so far and you think that in the last 4 days we will do all of the above?
What logic is being used, here?
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Darmian can be sold after the british transfer window closes. I don‘t believe in the Martial Willian swap for 1 second, but he‘s bang on the money for the rest.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
There aren't only two alternatives being either signing players past their peaks or additions to the youth academy. Barcelona have signed Arthur, Lenglet and Malcom for around 90 million pounds or so. Liverpool signed Salah last season for relatively small fee. Arsenal signed possibly a very good player in Torriera for a decent fee.

And sometimes you have to overpay and it makes sense to do so. No one here would have cared had we spent 60 million on Mahrez because he's an excellent player who would have improved us immensely.
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But the point being that those are unproven players, and are therefore a risk. Torriera could be a bust just as likely as he is to be a hit. Arthur and Malcom the same. Salah was a massive risk in many ways as he'd "failed" in the league previously. As it turns out he had a fantastic season and got better and is now a genuine world class player. It was still a risk.

Personally I would have cared if we had spent that money on Mahrez as I don't rate him. I think he's a lazy temperamental player that simply would not fit Mourinho's system, and therefore would be a waste. He'd already kicked up a major fuss about not getting his move the previous window so Leicester had to cash in. But how many moves have there been between PL teams? Not many at all... and the ones that have happened have been for exorbitant fees for younger unproven players. See Richarlison.

We're trying to buy guaranteed hits as we're in win now mode. How do we get that? Experienced players from the PL is a good start, but you can't easily bully those teams any more to get the prime players with financial power. So you are looking at past prime players a lot of the time.

I'm not saying that there aren't players out there, but there really aren't many that are surefire hits that are gettable.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
I'm not sure Sarri would like Martial. Martial is a bit too static for his style of play imo.
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Yep, I don't see how he's a good fit. Martial's footballing intelligence is minimal, poor movement, decision making. Not sure that's the kind of player Sarri likes.

Still wouldn't be shocked if we see Martial and Willian swap this week, but I think its a low chance.
 
backofthenet said:
But the point being that those are unproven players, and are therefore a risk. Torriera could be a bust just as likely as he is to be a hit. Arthur and Malcom the same. Salah was a massive risk in many ways as he'd "failed" in the league previously. As it turns out he had a fantastic season and got better and is now a genuine world class player. It was still a risk.

Personally I would have cared if we had spent that money on Mahrez as I don't rate him. I think he's a lazy temperamental player that simply would not fit Mourinho's system, and therefore would be a waste. He'd already kicked up a major fuss about not getting his move the previous window so Leicester had to cash in. But how many moves have there been between PL teams? Not many at all... and the ones that have happened have been for exorbitant fees for younger unproven players. See Richarlison.

We're trying to buy guaranteed hits as we're in win now mode. How do we get that? Experienced players from the PL is a good start, but you can't easily bully those teams any more to get the prime players with financial power. So you are looking at past prime players a lot of the time.

I'm not saying that there aren't players out there, but there really aren't many that are surefire hits that are gettable.
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Spot on. It's not an easy answer and people with the value of hindsight always seem to focus on the successes when transfers are generally more often about failures. Everyone talks about city and Liverpool but there's been a shed load of players that the transfers never worked out. In fact City aside, all the other top 6 teams transfer policy failed as it amount to rock all, and I'm sure Chelsea would have traded CL for the FA cup.
 
If we sign Toby Alderweireld and Willian before the window shuts, I'd be over the moon.#

We'd be buying two top class players, who, not only have experience in the Premier League, but experience at the highest level too.

Both leaders in their own way. Alderweireld being more vocal. Would bring a much needed calmness and leadership to our back line, whilst Willian, on the other hand, would bring his level of consistency and performance.

Hoping we can get this done before the 9th.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
Who would you bring in instead then?
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There are/were options out there like Dembele, Bailey, Malcom, Mahrez, etc, but apart from Mahrez, none of played in the EPL and might be seen as a bit of a risk by Jose.

Willian, despite 29, has played in the EPL and I guess Jose knows and trusts him - similar to when he bought Matic.

If we do get Willian, he should hopefully be able to give us at least 3 seasons at the top level.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
If we sign Toby Alderweireld and Willian before the window shuts, I'd be over the moon.#

We'd be buying two top class players, who, not only have experience in the Premier League, but experience at the highest level too.

Both leaders in their own way. Alderweireld being more vocal. Would bring a much needed calmness and leadership to our back line, whilst Willian, on the other hand, would bring his level of consistency and performance.

Hoping we can get this done before the 9th.
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I like both players, but would find Willian slightly underwhelming for the prices quoted. At the same time adding those two, Fred and Dalot would be decent business for us. We can always give Shaw and Young until January and see how they go.

They might not all be long term answers, but they do improve us in areas we need to improve which is a positive.
 
Are we seriously about to spunk 80 million on Harry fecking Maguire?! :eek:
 
Tosicsleftpeg said:
Mental how few transfers there have been this year, even city haven't gone crazy. I think it's a combination of absolutely stupid prices and the world cup/new window.
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The Italian clubs had a good window I think. For United, the problem seems to be the transfer strategy or lack of thereof
 
Judas said:
Yep, I don't see how he's a good fit. Martial's footballing intelligence is minimal, poor movement, decision making. Not sure that's the kind of player Sarri likes.

Still wouldn't be shocked if we see Martial and Willian swap this week, but I think its a low chance.
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I feel that’s a bit of a oversimplification of Martials abilities and issues.
When Martial was at his sparkling best he would destroy defence, always find space and even take out one or more defenders. Now this was during the part of Van Gaal’s time, just before Shaw’s injury.
And here are, in my oppinion, the key aspects of Martials issues.
1) He had complete trust from Van Gaal.
2) He had a fantastic partner in Shaw.

I think, given Martials young age and perhaps personality, he needs this.

Now look at the last few seasons.
His partners have been the likes of Young or even Blind or Rojo. All of them not natural left backs and also severely lacking in skill on that position. The link up play has been poor, and them not being any real threat offensively have made it so easy to lock down Martials, since no one was opening space up for him like Shaw did.

Secondly it seems clear that Mourinho doesn’t trust in Martial. Now given the lack of a good partner has hurt Martial and therefor Mourinho has seen almost nothing warranting him playing Martial, everything has just spiralled downwards for Martial.

I have a feeling if we would see Martial in Madrid or Munich where the leftbacks are excellent offensively, he would shine.
 
Maybe we should start discussing if high level players are reluctant to join us. Tomorrow we can become an Arsenal and be a no-no destination if fans don't wake up. Right now we are seen as dysfunctional with a grumpy soviet style manager that hasn't adapted to modern generation.
 
Lyng said:
I feel that’s a bit of a oversimplification of Martials abilities and issues.
When Martial was at his sparkling best he would destroy defence, always find space and even take out one or more defenders. Now this was during the part of Van Gaal’s time, just before Shaw’s injury.
And here are, in my oppinion, the key aspects of Martials issues.
1) He had complete trust from Van Gaal.
2) He had a fantastic partner in Shaw.

I think, given Martials young age and perhaps personality, he needs this.

Now look at the last few seasons.
His partners have been the likes of Young or even Blind or Rojo. All of them not natural left backs and also severely lacking in skill on that position. The link up play has been poor, and them not being any real threat offensively have made it so easy to lock down Martials, since no one was opening space up for him like Shaw did.

Secondly it seems clear that Mourinho doesn’t trust in Martial. Now given the lack of a good partner has hurt Martial and therefor Mourinho has seen almost nothing warranting him playing Martial, everything has just spiralled downwards for Martial.

I have a feeling if we would see Martial in Madrid or Munich where the leftbacks are excellent offensively, he would shine.
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I think you need to revisit Martial & Shaw memories. As they must be a tad fuzzy as they’re incorrect..
 
Even if board caves in and buys Alderweireld and Willian I don’t see the point. They improve the team in short term but we still wouldn’t win the league and its 2 more players in the starting eleven who are expensive short term investments.

Better off saving the money and putting a proper plan in place for next summer, it’s farcical we have still been intent on Willian/Perisic/Bale just as we were last season. We should have moved on and found alternatives, that’s what has to be done now for the right wing and both full back positions.
 
Roboc7 said:
Even if board caves in and buys Alderweireld and Willian I don’t see the point. They improve the team in short term but we still wouldn’t win the league and its 2 more players in the starting eleven who are expensive short term investments.

Better off saving the money and putting a proper plan in place for next summer, it’s farcical we have still been intent on Willian/Perisic/Bale just as we were last season. We should have moved on and found alternatives, that’s what has to be done now for the right wing and both full back positions.
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How is Toby short term? He's 29 and at his peak, and he's a CB on top of that. CB's usually last longer than other outfield players. If you thing 29 is too old then where is the limit? How about 28? Is that short term too?
 
Janson said:
How is Toby short term? He's 29 and at his peak, and he's a CB on top of that. CB's usually last longer than other outfield players. If you thing 29 is too old then where is the limit? How about 28? Is that short term too?
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Everyone peaks at different times, he might well play at top level for 4-5 years but could be 1-2. I don’t really object to signing Alderweireld but I also don’t see the point in buying more players who at best will peak this season or season after.

If we sign the two players mentioned that would be 6 of the starting eleven who are over 30 next summer, if that isnt short term thinking then I don’t know what is.

Mourinho’s best chance of winning the league would have be this season and even with Alderweireld and Willian I don’t think he would. I imagine we would finish in a fairly similar position with or without them.

Club just have to recognise this isn’t a quick fix and prevent a cycle of constant rebuilding. Signing matic and Sanchez was fair enough but have to draw the line somewhere and look for some longer term solutions to consistent problems.
 
Roboc7 said:
Everyone peaks at different times, he might well play at top level for 4-5 years but could be 1-2. I don’t really object to signing Alderweireld but I also don’t see the point in buying more players who at best will peak this season or season after.

If we sign the two players mentioned that would be 6 of the starting eleven who are over 30 next summer, if that isnt short term thinking then I don’t know what is.

Mourinho’s best chance of winning the league would have be this season and even with Alderweireld and Willian I don’t think he would. I imagine we would finish in a fairly similar position with or without them.

Club just have to recognise this isn’t a quick fix and prevent a cycle of constant rebuilding. Signing matic and Sanchez was fair enough but have to draw the line somewhere and look for some longer term solutions to consistent problems.
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We have already signed Bailly and Lindelof who can grow. We need a reliable defensive rock who can lead a defense and also improve our transition.
 
So many rumours, so little time until the transfer window closes.

Will we still have Pogba and Martial come the Leicester game? Will we have another centre back and a forward? We'll soon find out.

The club doesn't seem a happy ship at the moment.
 
Roboc7 said:
Even if board caves in and buys Alderweireld and Willian I don’t see the point. They improve the team in short term but we still wouldn’t win the league and its 2 more players in the starting eleven who are expensive short term investments.

Better off saving the money and putting a proper plan in place for next summer, it’s farcical we have still been intent on Willian/Perisic/Bale just as we were last season. We should have moved on and found alternatives, that’s what has to be done now for the right wing and both full back positions.
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That’s exactly what people were saying last year in relation to Perisic. Of course back then, people were also saying they prefer Malcom/Bailey/Fekir as though they somehow had a say in which alternative player would be signed.
 
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