Wot, no transfers?

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WPMUFC said:


To the people that kept posting "look at the state of this thread" last week. Exhibit A though bloody Z. One more signing, likely magiure, and that's it.

100+ million spend on Fred and Maguire, no fix to LB or RW. HOORAY!!!:mad::rolleyes:
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We can only pray that we manage to get the best out of Pogba, Sanchez, Lingard and Lukaku. We can pray that Fred and Dalot turn out brilliant and that Shaw comes on leaps and bounds. We can pray that Bailly stays fit and Lindelof shows the same form he did at the World Cup. A combination of all those things and we could challenge for the title. I think a decent manager could pull that off. Jose at the moment looks like he’s clueless.
 
If Slabhead is the last bit of business we do, and as happy I am to get him, CB wasn't even an area I thought was a priority this summer! To see that area improved while LB and most importantly RW are left untouched, Jose's grave is probably already dug. Not sure he can even be totally blamed either, it seems like our issues in the transfer window are systematically flawed.

Really thought we'd go out and attack the transfer window this summer and get 4-5 players in :lol:
 
Hopefully, Pulisic stays at Dortmund for another season without a contract extension. Would love to get him at a discount.
 
Judas said:
If Slabhead is the last bit of business we do, and as happy I am to get him, CB wasn't even an area I thought was a priority this summer! To see that area improved while LB and most importantly RW are left untouched, Jose's grave is probably already dug. Not sure he can even be totally blamed either, it seems like our issues in the transfer window are systematically flawed.

Really thought we'd go out and attack the transfer window this summer and get 4-5 players in :lol:
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He also has the problem of Martial. Could you imagine if he actually doesn't get sold. Jose not using him and his agent agitating from day after the transfer window shuts?
 
I get that Shaw/Young could be given a chance at LB again, so the hesitation there is understandable.

But I find it utterly unbelievable that we spent all of the transfer window so far without signing an RW. I can see it again - Valencia goes down the right, stops for a second, dances on the ball, and passes it back because Mata/Lingard have drifted in by then, and we have no width down the right.

We are impotent down the right, signing a new RW there would be an immediate improvement which makes us a far better team. Why on earth are we not addressing this and pussyfooting around the Maguire signing?
 
Jazz said:
Woodward can get deals over the line - he's proven that. He does need to stop wanting to go for big shiny players and actually try to understand that we need a functioning team and not just players who are good for marketing.

Having said that, I think the problem is what or who the manager wants, and what the board thinks is feasible. Like it or not, we need to watch our financial state. We need to survive after Jose fecks off in 6 months or a year. We cannot have him leave the team with expensive old players on huge salaries, who will need to be replaced in a fairly short time.

The fact remains that one of the areas that Jose wants to improve is our defence - yet the club has provided his targets since he's been here. It's not their fault that he either chose the wrong targets, or cannot get the best out of them. What should Woodward do in that case? Constantly help the manager clean up his mess by buying him new players? Why can't the manager apply his coaching skills - for which the club is paying him a hell of a lot of money - and get the current crop playing well?

Honestly, both are to blame to some extent. However, I'm going to side with Woodward here in this instance in light of Jose's rumoured targets who don't represent value for the amount of money their clubs want from us.
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I see your points. Jose has made average defenders play good, just not his own two buys Bailly/Lindelof. We've shipped few goals under him, so he is actually good to get stuff out of defenders. Shown that before too.

We need some great attacking power to open up defenses, so a big name (which Woody likes) should fit fine with Woody-strategy - he did however give him Alexis this winter, so its not like Woodward has been sitting on his hands. Also gave him Fred, so only thing we really need is that good right winger, where few are available. I too can understand Woodward. Its not like Sanchez cant play right wing - it was even the position Wenger said he played best(!).

A good manager is able to work with what he's got, but right now Jose is alienating those players in his attempt to put pressure on Woody.

I do however agree with jose that we need two more players. Its just that he's terrible at working with what he's got (attacking wise)

.. and then there is also the perspective of who to buy, that will both fit Jose, but also the playing style of the next manager
 
WPMUFC said:


To the people that kept posting "look at the state of this thread" last week. Exhibit A though bloody Z. One more signing, likely magiure, and that's it.

100+ million spend on Fred and Maguire, no fix to LB or RW. HOORAY!!!:mad::rolleyes:
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Yeah it looks grim. Just one more player and that is going to be CB by the looks of it. Still haven't sorted out our fullback position nor our right wing. Glaring holes in our squad are being overlooked. I don't get it.
 
Jose said after Liverpool game, we might get one more in. "We're doomed, doomed I tell ya".
 
Jacob said:
That is unclear. Only Jose knows.

My interpretation is that we got 3 already, 2 to go but we'll only get one more. 4/5 ain't bad if you look at it that way.
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When one is an injured RB and another is a 3rd choice goalie I am not so sure.The only starting signing is Fred. Think people were hoping for a starting, fit RB, RW, LB, CM and CB. Something to give this side a big lift.
 
Remember when the 'calm and collected' posters mocked people who were worried 2 weeks ago? How times have changed. Utter shambles of a Summer from the club.
 
If we most likely just get one more in (cb of either Toby or Harry M), means we enter the season with clear holes in our squad and issues that needs addressing, Mourinho is the one under pressure not Woodie since he has to deliver on the field with what he has got, why is everything so weird and hard around our club?

I know not every club has done loads of transfers like Liverpool (for an example Spurs who have signed no one) but it seems like this is the second summer of Mourinho bemoaning not getting the players he asks for, why is that? And why does he always look like he hasn't slept for a few weeks and is grumpy and annoyed on top?

Also some players want to leave, some of them like Martial, being young good prospects that have done well and showed excellent abilities at times to just be thrown out by Mou for Sanchez for an example. Did he really just shame him last night for not coming back straight after the baby was born?

If Lukaku, Pogba and Sanchez don't hit the ground running I am having a hard time to see where all our goals are to come from and it will be an uphill fight for the top 4. We were far from City last season but we finished second for the first time since Fergie, would have thought now was the time to punch on, get rid of deadwood and buy a few players to help us elevate in hopes of reaching City. Hopefully Mou and the team will prove me wrong in the coming season.

What was Zlatan on than the other day about the manager having something up his sleeve?
 
Jacob said:
That is unclear. Only Jose knows.

My interpretation is that we got 3 already, 2 to go but we'll only get one more. 4/5 ain't bad if you look at it that way.
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we got 3? Grant was definitely not on the list.
 
Not looking good right now. Mou's comments reminds me of the John Stones debacle and his third season implosion. Wouldn't suprise he walks away or is sacked. The board should have backed him 100% or sacked him if they doubt his transfer strategy. It was no secret Mou liked old experienced players, and if the hierachy had a problem with that they should not have hired him in the first place. Its either his way or the highway and I suspect things are going to get very ugly this season. Brace yourselves lads!
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Remember when the 'calm and collected' posters mocked people who were worried 2 weeks ago? How times have changed. Utter shambles of a Summer from the club.
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Just got to wait for the World Cup to finish mate, we'll explode into business then!
 
Jacob said:
That is unclear. Only Jose knows.

My interpretation is that we got 3 already, 2 to go but we'll only get one more. 4/5 ain't bad if you look at it that way.
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Tldr for those impatient to listen in:

  1. Mourinho wanted five signings - Fullbacks, RW, CB and CM. He identified signings quite some time back.

  2. Mourinho has given up on a new LB now, even though he does not want to go with just Young and Shaw . Targets are a CB and RW.

  3. Mourinho wants an experienced RW in either Willian or Perisic. Board are not willing to chase either because of age and price tag. (Chelsea apparently rejected 60m bids for Willian) Alternatives are Sarr and some French U-21 kid. Malcom was apparently one of those identified as a RW target several months back, but board dithered.

  4. Mourinho feels the board are not desperate to win the title and are happy with a top 4 spot. That's why he is so grumpy. He does not understand why Woodward has done nothing after signing Fred. He is also grumpy about injuries and not having his squad with him.

  5. The ESPN interview was aimed as a challenge at Pogba and to his entourage. Mourinho feels Pogba is too distracted by his commercial entourage. Pogba did integrate better and had settled his differences at the end of the season, but Raiola is desperately trying to offer Pogba to other big clubs and the fat cnut is not on good terms with Mourinho.

  6. Martial wants to leave and has made up his mind. He has concrete offers from both Bayern and Chelsea.
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https://old.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/91ng66/castles_podcast_going_into_detail_on_the_current/

Jose has now given up on LB and RW, and we're about to sign a minor upgrade player for stupid money.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
When one is an injured RB and another is a 3rd choice goalie I am not so sure.The only starting signing is Fred. Think people were hoping for a starting, fit RB, RW, LB, CM and CB. Something to give this side a big lift.
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I can only laugh at those expectations. This isn't Football Manager. JM has already received a lot of funds, you can't invest indefinitely without showing some progress.

Valencia is out captain and one of the best wingback in the league. He just needs a proper winger to support, think he would match quite well with Willian to be honest. Dalot is being touted as the best RB in Europe in his age group and should be back before end of September.

We're sorted in CM, even before the signing of Fred (especially with the progress Pereira is showing). We were simply unlucky with the injury to Matic.

As I've said before, a good LB signing doesn't come around that often. Maybe we've tried for one or two and failed. The question is if there is anyone out there good enough AND available at a not too ridiculous price. Who would that be?

For CB, yeah we can improve and there are probably players available. I don't rate Smalling, Jones or Rojo. Bailly and Lindelöf can be class together. I'd prefer to get rid of the dead wood and sign either a starting CB (probably Maguire) or a backup to the former couple.
 
5 players possibly Fred, Perisic(or Sandro), Willian, Arnautovic(Lukaku's backup), ball playing CB. So Mourinho could play 3-5-2. Boring list I'd say

I don't count Dablot because he's young, no way Jose would see him as a key player in his list. Grant is just 3rd choice keeper don't count him in either.
 
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Jacob said:
I can only laugh at those expectations. This isn't Football Manager. JM has already received a lot of funds, you can't invest indefinitely without showing some progress.

Valencia is out captain and one of the best wingback in the league. He just needs a proper winger to support, think he would match quite well with Willian to be honest. Dalot is being touted as the best RB in Europe in his age group and should be back before end of September.

We're sorted in CM, even before the signing of Fred (especially with the progress Pereira is showing). We were simply unlucky with the injury to Matic.

As I've said before, a good LB signing doesn't come around that often. Maybe we've tried for one or two and failed. The question is if there is anyone out there good enough AND available at a not too ridiculous price. Who would that be?

For CB, yeah we can improve and there are probably players available. I don't rate Smalling, Jones or Rojo. Bailly and Lindelöf can be class together. I'd prefer to get rid of the dead wood and sign either a starting CB (probably Maguire) or a backup to the former couple.
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Valencia best wingback? If you have wingbacks, they are part of your attack, Valencia has absolutely no end product.
 
Castles has always been unreliable and his version of our summer transfer dealings doesn't make much sense. Grant was obviously one of our list of signings because we literally went out and signed him. There is zero indication we were ever in for a LB as Mourinho has constantly praised Young and his importance to our team and said publicly he wanted him to play 50 games next season. Castle's just made up a story about us buying Sandro (which none of the more reliable Italian journalists ever said was happening) and then when he realised he got it wrong claimed that Mourinho randomly 'gave up' on signing a player he really wanted and we had agreed terms with... that's just typical hack nonsense.
 
Looks a little underwhelming for sure .
When You think about the links to Sandro, Bale , Willian , Perisic, Toby, SMS, Thiago , Etc. ( i know mostly it's just Press Talk)
Signing Maguire will be a little underwhelming. We are LB a RB ,Leader at CB , RW And back up Quality striker away from realistically competing on the higher levels this year . After the amount of money spent that seems a long way off .
 
Looking very likely that we will be starting the new seasons without having fixed any of the problems we had. Shambles of a transfer window so far.
 
I'm worried, I still believe We need at least a proper RW to be able to compete with City and it looks like We're only going to get one more player.... which is a CB :nervous:.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Remember when the 'calm and collected' posters mocked people who were worried 2 weeks ago? How times have changed. Utter shambles of a Summer from the club.
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The same bunch probably were very calm and collected during the Moyes reign until it was too late. At least they looked like top reds and looked like 'the thinking man's poster' for a while.
 
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