Comparing LVG to Harry fecking won nowt Redknapp?
LVG has been in the job days, we haven't kicked a premier league ball and already some jokers have got the knives out.
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Comparing LVG to Harry fecking won nowt Redknapp?
LVG has been in the job days, we haven't kicked a premier league ball and already some jokers have got the knives out.
We have never been a "top club" when it comes to transfers, maybe within England and even then we have missed out on targets.
Problem with this entire transfer window is that people actually believe the shite that the club comes out with and had unrealistic expectations, Vidal, Hummels, Di Maria, break world records, spend 200 million, like any of that would ever happen at United? There is more chance of me signing for United than any of those lot. We are shopping in a totally different market despite the constant BS that Ed comes out with. Oh yeah we bid 100 million for Gareth Bale as he was signing his Madrid contract, christ, Burnley could do that!
Our owners just want to bleed money out of the club and get back into the CL, despite all the properganda that is all they want and are banking on LVG being able to somehow work miracles with a average squad just like Fergie did over the past couple of years.
I said it about a month ago that our spending was done bar maybe a versatile defender and I stick by that now. We are absolultey miles off City/Chelsea/Arsenal and are now competing with Liverpool & Spurs for 4th IMO. And if LVG gets it with the current squad then that would be a great season.
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Longer than he's had. On what are you basing this notion that he's had ample time? Examples please. Non Harry fecking Redknapp examples too as I think we'll need to aim a little higher than that.
I think what we're getting at here is that you are desperate for transfer activity isn't it? How are you going to cope with the likelihood that, as in his previous jobs, LVGs teams struggle for the first couple of months whilst they adapt to his way of playing?
Spot on.
Oh dear. At least know your facts before making statements like that.Comparing LVG to Harry fecking won nowt Redknapp?
LVG has been in the job days, we haven't kicked a premier league ball and already some jokers have got the knives out.
How long does LVG need then?
Well said.
"Longer than he's had" How long is that then? Half a season? A whole season? He's had 5 games and numerous training sessions. If he doesn't know the capabilities of his squad by now he never will.
Decent post, but this bit killed it for me.
Spelling doesn't bother me, but "proper gander" reminds me of a serious looking male goose. Propaganda from Woody? Not really, "spin" certainly.
I was hoping Woody would learn this year, but he clearly hasn't. Still a gobshite that seems to only deliver sponsorship deals.
I still can't see who we could possibly buy at this stage. Vermaelen was an worthwhile acquisition if we could have gotten him cheap. Barca over-paid. LVG has come out and said our squad is unbalanced, and branded Herrera as a No. 10. What we he make of Vidal and the balance of midfield?
There are very few options that we could get who would actually improve us at this stage.
There are very few options that we could get who would actually improve us at this stage.
You're either a WUM, delusional, or a combination of the two.
Suspecting the latter frankly.
Decent post, but this bit killed it for me.
Propaganda from Woody? Not really, "spin" certainly.
I was hoping Woody would learn this year, but he clearly hasn't. Still a gobshite that seems to only deliver sponsorship deals.
Sorry was in work and rushing ha.
I'll put in my two pieces of worthless information from my personal experience, feel free to skip, unfollow or ignore:
I love my music. A while back I used to go out and buy 2 or 3 albums at once. I'd listen to each one, but at the end of the day I noticed none of those bulk-buys made the front row of my fancy vinyl-flip-box. After a while I noticed that if I only bought 1 album, I'd suck it up way better and more intense than any one of those bulk-buy albums. These albums have burnt their way into my soul, because I took the time to focus on them one at a time. I recognized the brilliance (not just of the artist, also of my taste) and didn't buy a new album until I found the perfect free slot in my fancy vinyl-flip-box.
I think LvG and I have a similar approach. He focuses on one detail at a time, does his best to understand and work on whatever that detail is and then, only then, will he move on to the next detail. He'll only ask his local record dealer Ed's Pop Shop for new stuff when the old stuff is rated and sorted. If he only had Bony M. and Village People in his collection, he'd have sorted through by now and probably would have bought another couple. But this is United, he's got to work his way through unpublished talents and underrated classics. He needs to take his time. He'll hopefully be at our turntables for a long time, so I'd rather he takes his time to create a brilliant playlist, than have him rush us into Milli-Vanilli-vs-Boney-M-mixtapes.
I love my music. A while back I used to go out and buy 2 or 3 albums at once. I'd listen to each one, but at the end of the day I noticed none of those bulk-buys made the front row of my fancy vinyl-flip-box. After a while I noticed that if I only bought 1 album, I'd suck it up way better and more intense than any one of those bulk-buy albums. These albums have burnt their way into my soul, because I took the time to focus on them one at a time. I recognized the brilliance (not just of the artist, also of my taste) and didn't buy a new album until I found the perfect free slot in my fancy vinyl-flip-box.
I think LvG and I have a similar approach. He focuses on one detail at a time, does his best to understand and work on whatever that detail is and then, only then, will he move on to the next detail. He'll only ask his local record dealer Ed's Pop Shop for new stuff when the old stuff is rated and sorted. If he only had Bony M. and Village People in his collection, he'd have sorted through by now and probably would have bought another couple. But this is United, he's got to work his way through unpublished talents and underrated classics. He needs to take his time. He'll hopefully be at our turntables for a long time, so I'd rather he takes his time to create a brilliant playlist, than have him rush us into Milli-Vanilli-vs-Boney-M-mixtapes.
Personal abuse really works...........
Completely agree. The aim is to spend little (in relation to us being the 'biggest club in the world' - which we aren't) and overachieve.
Great, we spent 60 million pounds, and that'll be used as evidence that the Glazer's are spending really big. But it's not about spending a certain amount on one or two players. It's about addressing the issues that need addressing.
Clubs that have had more recent success than us are still outspending us. That's not a big issue, but for a club who like to put across that they're the biggest in the world, it doesn't cut it.
It's not a case of the owners watching their investment lose money. It's a case of them hoping for a repeat of Sir Alex's overachieving.
Again, there's nothing wrong with that, but don't come out pretending we have the intention of truly spending big.
And as you say, the Bale 'big' was pathetic and transparent. We might as well 'bid' £200 million for Messi the day after he next signs a contract.
Agree, all the talk of a huge budget and competing for the top players is just PR to appease fans and sponsors, SAF over achieved with the group of players he had, he papered over the cracks in the team and it helped the Glazers achieve more than they were expecting, their aim is the top 4. Woodward will continuing in his job, he will carry on talking rubbish every transfer window and not backing it up but there will not be any consequences because he is serving the interests of the owners not the fans. From the outside Woodward might look like a failure but I imagine the Glazers will be delighted with the job he is doing.
It was obvious the man to replace SAF was Mourinho but he didn’t get the job because he always wants money to spend and if he doesn’t get what he wants he lets everyone know, that is the last thing the Glazers want. Instead we have employed managers who have a reputation for working with what they have and in LVG’s case someone who is prepared to give youth a chance. We are now competing for 4th and not 1st and the emphasis will be on LVG over achieving with an inferior group of players rather than going out and spending money to solve the issues with the team. It might work and we finish 3rd/4th but can also see it all going wrong again and we will finish 5th/6th, it’s very difficult to judge just how good/bad the team will be next year but one thing is pretty certain if we did sign 3-4 quality players the chances of us failing would be reduced significantly.
Then you must be delusional.
I'm afraid this sentiment is looking like the reality, and the recent posts from Kayo, Speak too.
It's depressing as feck though.
I would be shocked if we do not spend big, I guess by Sep 1st we'll know who is for real and who is not.
Maybe that's part of the issue....
LVG with his comments about an imbalance in the squad has ambitions of 1st place.
The owners are happy to just get back to the money spinning top 4
LVG with his comments about an imbalance in the squad has ambitions of 1st place.
The owners are happy to just get back to the money spinning top 4
When Ed say "watch this space", he meant that we just continue to watch the empty space left behind by departures that's not being filled.
What do you see with your blinding insight?
You're an angry one.
Can only wait and see, really not sure what to expect from this season, LVG is a top manager who can enhance a team and individuals, he is tactically very good so he doesn’t necessarily need the best players to be successful. On the other hand it is very early days and he has failed in previous jobs and can’t always work miracles, players don’t always respond to him so the assumption he can improve every player and always gets it right is incorrect. Only have to look at his two spells in charge of the Netherlands, failed to qualify for the World Cup first time around and then finished 3rd in the World Cup in his second spell.
Hopefully we will be calling him a genius at the end of the season but if it goes wrong his job could be under threat before the season even finishes, there isn’t much room for error now even at Utd, anything less than top 4 and he could be on his way.
Surely it’s time the club started to assess how transfers are conducted and take some of the responsibility away from Woodward. If we aren’t going to compete at the top end then we need to look for other ways to gain an advantage, improve the scouting, poach more players at academy level, sign youngsters and loan them out to trusted clubs to develop (could of done this with a player like James Rodriguez), bring in someone to work as a DOF or Sporting Director etc. Even when we do spend money we never seem to get a good deal in terms of the price and we seem to miss out on players when they move for modest fees only to try and sign them a year later for 2 or 3 times the price.
100 million spent in the last two transfer periods alone and people talk as if the club doesn't invest
I doubt there is any chance whatsoever, barring a meltdown beyond even Moyesian proportions, that LVG will be sacked mid season or indeed at the end of this one.
We will be thereabouts in the title race I'm convinced. We were fecking horrible last year yet still had an amazing away record - add some sexy OT football to that and we're right in the mix.
ATTN: Ed Woodward
Er..........the question wasn't addressed to you. Are you claiming also to have blinding insight?
100 million spent in the last two transfer periods alone and people talk as if the club doesn't invest
So? That doesn't compensate for who we lost last summer alone. Do you honestly believe we can climb high in the table with the 3 CBs we have (none of them being a natural leader) and the still unsolved lack of genuine quality in midfield, especially if we are hit with injuries? No way.
As someone wrote and/or implied earlier: for a club of our standing with the finances we have, it's unacceptable that we don't spend more whenever we need to inject quality wherever we need to add some.
I await the 'United to spend £200m in Summer 2015!' stories.
"United to wait until they're back in the CL!"
"United to wait until they're back in the CL!"
Presumably when we're back in the CL all those world class stars will rush to join us!! They will...........won't they??
100 million spent in the last two transfer periods alone and people talk as if the club doesn't invest
We have spent a lot of money but we have over spent and in some cases spent poorly, unfortunately we are still short in a number of areas, if Woodward is to believed we are prepared to spend what it takes to correct that and try to sign top quality players but in reality we probably want to get by with what we have and add as few players as possible.
With another new manager being brought into the club just a year from the last managerial change, and with that the added bonus of the incoming boss having just left a position as a national team manager, in a World Cup year, with his team having a good run in that tournament, there was never any doubt in my mind that whatever moves we were going to make in this transfer window were going to be left until late.
On some level, I'm actually a bit surprised that we went ahead and pulled the trigger on Shaw and Herrera, both of whom were Moyes targets. Obviously that isn't a knock against the talents they both possess and the glaring need for those types of players in our squad.
I can easily see this being another year of transition and growing pains, but I also think that this new manager might be able to walk that fine line between rebuilding and success, and at least keep us in the top 4 (or pushing for it) while at the same time establishing a new regime. I think we'll still make a couple of late signings in this window in the obvious areas where we need bodies, but I just can't see us going out and splashing cash on a marquee name.
Here's to hoping I'm wrong about that last part though.
On some level, I'm actually a bit surprised that we went ahead and pulled the trigger on Shaw and Herrera, both of whom were Moyes targets. Obviously that isn't a knock against the talents they both possess and the glaring need for those types of players in our squad.
I can easily see this being another year of transition and growing pains, but I also think that this new manager might be able to walk that fine line between rebuilding and success, and at least keep us in the top 4 (or pushing for it) while at the same time establishing a new regime. I think we'll still make a couple of late signings in this window in the obvious areas where we need bodies, but I just can't see us going out and splashing cash on a marquee name.
Here's to hoping I'm wrong about that last part though.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
I'm pretty frustrated with the transfer dealings so far. Yes, we've spent a lot of money on Fellani, Mata, Shaw and Herrara, but it's not the absolute spending that matters; rather it's the spending relative to our need. And, by that standard I don't think the spending measures up.
I find it hard to believe that LvG was hired after being told something like: We're going to pretend that we're committed to spending as much money as needed to get the team back to the top, but that's just for public consumption as our real business model is to squeak into 4th place. I can't imagine LvG would go for a deal like that.
If, on the other hand LvG was told--you'll have as much as you need, and then Woodward pulled a switcheroo on him-well, LvG's track record in other clubs suggests he wouldn't sit still for it.
So, I'm pretty baffled by this summer. Surely Woodward can't go on believing that he can mollify the fanbase by continually talking big-hoping that nobody notices that United don't fulfill his promised spending. That can't be it.
If it is the case that he's attempting to sign the players linked to United (a very big if) and failing, well clearly he needs to be relieved of the responsibility.
For years United enjoyed unprecedented success without following a Galacticos strategy-that was put down to Fergie and the United Way of bringing along young talent. Given last year's disaster, I was expecting more from United in the market, and am bitterly disappointed. I realize that LvG is a very good manager--and may get this squad to overachive. But I have to admit that I've moved from bullish to neutral about this season.
I'm pretty frustrated with the transfer dealings so far. Yes, we've spent a lot of money on Fellani, Mata, Shaw and Herrara, but it's not the absolute spending that matters; rather it's the spending relative to our need. And, by that standard I don't think the spending measures up.
I find it hard to believe that LvG was hired after being told something like: We're going to pretend that we're committed to spending as much money as needed to get the team back to the top, but that's just for public consumption as our real business model is to squeak into 4th place. I can't imagine LvG would go for a deal like that.
If, on the other hand LvG was told--you'll have as much as you need, and then Woodward pulled a switcheroo on him-well, LvG's track record in other clubs suggests he wouldn't sit still for it.
So, I'm pretty baffled by this summer. Surely Woodward can't go on believing that he can mollify the fanbase by continually talking big-hoping that nobody notices that United don't fulfill his promised spending. That can't be it.
If it is the case that he's attempting to sign the players linked to United (a very big if) and failing, well clearly he needs to be relieved of the responsibility.
For years United enjoyed unprecedented success without following a Galacticos strategy-that was put down to Fergie and the United Way of bringing along young talent. Given last year's disaster, I was expecting more from United in the market, and am bitterly disappointed. I realize that LvG is a very good manager--and may get this squad to overachive. But I have to admit that I've moved from bullish to neutral about this season.
The knives will be out if he doesn't deliver at least Vidal and a back up CB. He comes accross as a enormous lier which is not surprising when you look at his background. Oh and his stupid face.
Well they never did before. I really don't care if Vidal, Di maria, or Hummels arrive (thought it'd be nice). What I do want to see are gaps that have been in the squad for years being filled and with good/great players who can be world class in time, even if they are "no-name marks" like Vidic and Ole were before joining us. I've seen us address 2 of these gaps..but thin we have 3 more spots up for filling (CB, CM/DM and RW/RB/RWB). I don't mind if a reserve or two is given the chance that say Pogba wasn't but it'd be nice to see activity of any sort whether signings, departures or promotions. Hopefully Reece James, ben Pearson, Peeriera or Blackett may be involved.
Either way Ed should shut his mouf next time a camera appears before it and do his job discreetly!
100 million spent in the last two transfer periods alone and people talk as if the club doesn't invest
You could argue that the last window and a half have been reactive rather than proactive, (an example of proactive being what we saw from Bayern the year after winning a treble).
I genuinely don't believe we'd have signed Mata had we been a couple places higher. The desire to sign him to do even better wouldn't have been there. The threat of falling out of top four sparked us into action, which shouldn't need to be the case for a top club.
I still have a small part of me that thinks they've learnt to become more proactive and that we'll see something big soon ('big' because we actually could really do with it, not because we just want it to boast or show off).
But let's wait and see.
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This season's excuse will be "Woodward wanted to buy great players but we have to abide to VG's wishes". I guess VG would rather work with the likes of Fellaini and Ando then bring some serious talent.
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