But Woodward does the deal...or fails to do the deal. That's not LvG's role.
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To come back to the question, I think "total teapot." I have little doubt he is good for the club commercially, but as a broker of deals and the subtle skills involved when dealing in brinkmanship with agents I think there are plenty better.
Nothing. He shouldn't be giving interviews boasting about how much money we have. He did the same thing last summer and ended up looking like a berk. He seems to be making the same mistakes this summer.
If he'd said nothing and we'd got to a week before the season and the squad was looking as unbalanced as it is currently then I'm sure people would still be frustrated with him. Him doing that interview has just made it worse.
How about saying the same thing that the manager said a few days later--That LvG is assessing the squad under a new system and will reserve judgements on all players until completing 3-4 weeks of playing and training under the new manager?
Instead-he said the opposite: that he was working with LvG for several weeks already identifying targets-and was moving to complete those deals.
He didn't say these things in an off-the-cuff statement; this was done in a controlled and obviously scripted "interview" with MUTV. It is beyond stupid.
Who has he actually "failed to do the deal on" this summer?
Nobody as far as I'm aware. But he has form, no?
Debatable. It's as clear as day that it was Moyes who's bimbling fecked up last summer.
To be fair, he fecked up wholesale last year, so we can only go by his reputation to date. We all know the manager identifies the target and the likes of Woody goes and gets the business done. So far he has not covered himself in glory.
Who did he feck up on last year?
paying over the odds for Fellani when he could have bought him for less?
The guy has not done much wrong in my book just a few fans who are desperate are blaming him for lack of signings.
Was 100% Moyes' fault and its well documented now. Moyes was first of all chasing Fabregas all summer and then when that fell through he had to go back in for Fellaini.
You think it's Woodward who decides who to go for and when? You think Woodward put that joint Baines/Fellaini bid in without getting advice on what Everton are likely to accept first?
He and Moyes spouted targets left right and centre and ended up with Fellani, he insulted Everton with stupid bids for Baines and the way he handles Moyes sacking.
the guy may be a commercial genius, but dealing with players, agents and managers he is a waste of space.
and how did our dealings with everton work out?
Are you serious?
We had more or less confirmed bids/interest for/in Herrera, Fabregas, Khedira, Sneijder, De Rossi, Bale, Ronaldo and Baines, and I've probably forgotten a few. We went for Fabregas seemingly without establishing whether he was even remotely interested in coming and antagonized Everton with that 'derisory' bid. We were bidding desperately for players over the last few days, and with Baines, we had a bid rejected in June only to make the same bid a few weeks later. Not to mention we bought Fellaini after his release clause expired and paid over the odds. We were all over the place last summer, and while Moysie probably didn't help, Woody has to shoulder a lot of the blame.
EDIT: Yep, I did forget one! Coentrao. Who we went in for too late to close the deal before deadline.
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Serious? More like who did he not feck up on last year that list would be miles shorter.
Jesus, what an absolute mess it was.How long until he's on the plane from last summer to take care of urgent transfer business?
And yet it's been Moyes talked about numerous times in the press that Moyes was terrified of spending any money. So all these derisory bids were down to him. He was having a punt when he should have sucked it up and had the confidence to say "He's who I want, pay what it takes".
I'm surprised that people don't bring up the fact that LVG and Woodward contradicted each other a few weeks ago. LVG said he'll take a month to assess the squad, and about a week later Woodward was on MUTV looking all chill saying 'watch this space'.
So either LVG gave Woodward targets a few weeks back and Woodward has failed miserably so far or he was blatantly lying in that interview.
Am I missing something? Because if I'm not, then as useless as a chocolate tea pot.
So either LVG gave Woodward targets a few weeks back and Woodward has failed miserably so far or he was blatantly lying in that interview.
Am I missing something? Because if I'm not, then as useless as a chocolate tea pot.
Do you really believe that Moyes was to blame for the shambles of last summer?
#poormoyes
You think we can just absolve Woody of any blame for that complete mess I just outlined? Has a club ever looked more clueless in a transfer window than we did last summer? Woody is chief executive. He's responsible.
What's he supposed to do if he's told Moyes he will back him in the transfer window and then Moyes identifys those unobtainable targets? Not bother bidding and giving Moyes an excuse and another stick for people to beat him with? "The CEO didn't back me", yeah that would go down well.
As for the likes of Baines and Fellaini, there is no question whatsoever that it was Moyes that fecked that up.
As im not a transfer muppet i must say ut was fun to watch muppets getting their knickers twisted.
I even got banned for saying Fiberglass wouldnt join us
was fun last summerThe fact that there are still 3 weeks of the transfer window to go?
Would you bid 25 mil for Fabregas last summer?? That was beyond stupid im afraid
I think this summer has shown it.
Shaw - paid more than Chelsea were willing to pay to wrap that deal.
Herrera - Moyes gone and the whole "Only want to pay £23m for him" (Moyes' own words) out the window and the buyout clause paid.
It's now down to Van Gaal to make his mind up who he wants and Woodward will go buy them.
Moyes was terrible at every aspect of being Manchester United manager and I'm sure he played a big part in last Summer's transfer shambles. There is no way that it was all his fault though. Woodward has to take a share of the blame too.
And yes there are still 3 weeks to go in the transfer window, but the season starts on Saturday and there is loads of work that needs to be done bringing players in and getting rid of the deadwood. We've once again left things late and run the risk of a repeat of last year's deadline day where we stumbled around desperately trying to sign anybody and ended up with you know who.
Still though, I'm convinced if he had learned from last summer and stayed quiet this, and not done that stupid boastful interview he wouldn't be getting half as much stick. Watch this space indeed
And yes there are still 3 weeks to go in the transfer window, but the season starts on Saturday and there is loads of work that needs to be done bringing players in and getting rid of the deadwood. We've once again left things late and run the risk of a repeat of last year's deadline day where we stumbled around desperately trying to sign anybody and ended up with you know who.
Still though, I'm convinced if he had learned from last summer and stayed quiet this, and not done that stupid boastful interview he wouldn't be getting half as much stick. Watch this space indeed
ask yourself would we have looked that stupid if Gill was still in charge?
It's woody's job to deal with the business. Yes Moyes may have had unobtainable targets, but there are ways to deal with it and what he did made United look like amateurs.
Moyes was to blame for allot last year, but the business and transfer dealings is on woody's shoulders.
This.
The fact that we can't offer European football has got a lot to do with our failure to sign the big names we want. And who's fault is that? Moyes, and to a lesser extent Woodward and the Board for not biting the bullet when it was obvious we weren't going to finish in the top four. If we don't get in the CL next year it will be even worse every transfer window.
Pedant alert! The window actually closes on 1st Sept as 31st August is a Sunday
Noone actually knows what he's doing behind the scenes, how efficient he is, who we've failed on etc.
What we do know, is 3-4 weeks back now he came out with some huge bravado suggesting loads of action coming our way, the money's there etc.
Normally at this stage, someone will point out it's "Only" a certain date.
But it's August 12th now, and the rumours seem to be ever reducing, as top players one by one get ruled 100% out. Fabregas, Sanchez and others early doors Hummels out, Cuadrado most likely out, Vidal doesn't seem much going on.
It's been done to death elsewhere, but 3 senior centre backs when looking to play 3 centre backs, lack of a top partner for Herrera, and lackof quality widemen are obvious.
On the plus side, obviously we have potentially the most quality front 3 in the league, a top keeper, good full backs (though some debate Rafael), and Herrera. So it's not bleak, but it can be better.
Pedant alert! The window actually closes on 1st Sept as 31st August is a Sunday
21 days and counting... does anyone believe we'll be buying 3-4 players?
He made that as a signal for Agents to file in offers.
Some of you really should try to understand how business is made, he's giving signals. You never know who catches the bait
Watch this space.............
Ah yes, still 3 weeks left.
Just like there was 3months/2months/1month/4weeks
you'll still be saying "there's still 37mins left" on the last day
That's a very strange thing to say.
You don't do business by going around boasting about how much money you've got available, and top players' agents don't need to go around making offers to clubs - it's the other way round. A top player waits to see who wants to buy him then his agent plays them off against each other.
Plus our centre backs are good with the potential to be great in Smalling and Jones (we will see them in their best positions now). We are not far off being quality but if it takes more than one window to get the players LVG wants then I'd rather do that than buy for the sake of it. If we get short at the back LVG will play youth and there is nothing better than seeing the younger boys push you to glory.
I hate this pothead for making my hopes up with" watch this space", "Transfers are very important", "there is no budget", etc.
At least would have kept my expectations low if he hadn't spouted shit and lies.
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