Woodward (old thread)

Should Studward remain as CE of Manchester United?

  • No - he should be sacked also.

    Votes: 40 22.6%
  • Yes - he should stay.

    Votes: 137 77.4%

  • Total voters
    177
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I feel the club is in a dangerous place at the moment.

There's a serious, structural problem at the top which which is unlikely to be corrected in the near future. Distant, semi-detached owners who know next to nothing about their core business, with control over football matters delegated to an almost equally unqualified accountant. No DoF to compensate for the lack of football expertise, and no likelihood that one will be appointed, since Woody has the ear of the Glazers, and will wish to keep all the reins of power in his own hands.

We saw the consequences last summer in the failure to properly recruit, and things are beginning to look ominous this summer as well. A state of paralysis descending on the club with the departure of an existing manager, and all business in suspension until the incoming manager can suggest or approve vital transfer targets.

But, as it happened and for different reasons, neither Moyes nor Van Gaal were well placed to do this. Moyes, because he'd been operating at a lower level in the market at Everton, and Van Gaal, because he's been an international manager for several years, and hasn't spent his time keeping an eye out for top players who might suit Manchester United. Asking Van Gaal, who's barely acquainted with our existing personnel, and whose attention has been focused on Dutch players for the last three years, to take charge of recruitment, is less than optimal. Of course he's not going to say, "I can't do it", but it's not surprising he's been stalling.

If things go badly, United might appoint 5 managers in the next 10 years. Is all the club's football business going to start afresh with each new appointment? We need continuity, at least in the supremely important matter of transfers.

If Van Gaal turns into another Fergie, we're safe for 4/5/6 years. But what if he doesn't?
 
I can't recall this much panic last season, especially as Fellaini was our only signing.There's also a month left in the transfer market. Patience is key here. Too many people questioning Woodward after his One of only Two interviews he's done since he arrived at the club as a CEO. It doesn't matter when they sign this window, as long as they do.


Less panic last year because we just won the title and a lot of us including myself were convinced the current team would finish atleast 3rd minimum even with Moyes.

This year we lost Giggs, Rio, Vidic and Evra. And of course we finished 7th.
 
It's way too early to hit the panic button. But if anyone needs to keep it nearby, I completely understand!
 
Less panic last year because we just won the title and a lot of us including myself were convinced the current team would finish atleast 3rd minimum even with Moyes.

This year we lost Giggs, Rio, Vidic and Evra. And of course we finished 7th.

Sounds about right. That very moment when delusion becomes relevant. I don't think anyone could foresee what happened last season. Bring on next season. :D
 
Sounds about right. That very moment when delusion becomes relevant. I don't think anyone could foresee what happened last season. Bring on next season. :D

Funny enough the major concern last year was how would Moyes do in the champions league. :lol:
 
Think it was RoM that I just read that he's left the tour again on urgent club business, when that happen and hope he doesn't get lost again like last year?
 
Pretty sure he left the tour days ago?
He left a while ago, in order to make it appear he's working behind the scenes on transfers. Or maybe it was to disappear so he can't be asked any awkward questions.

The whole thing's up in the air now anyway, with Van Gaal coming out and hinting that we may not sign anyone else. Or maybe that's just part of the game.

The whole thing's becoming tiresome now. Muppet suit stored away in the cupboard until January :boring:
 
Surely this guy has to deliver. He said we are working hard on transfers and watch this space and all that.
 
So Van Gaal's bought him some breathing space. Says he's in no hurry and happy to keep assessing existing players. Not the sort of dude to tell lies in order to make life easier for the suits either.
This could possibly be the one downside to Van Gaal. Hopefully if it's a hindrance to short term success, it does help in laying strong foundations.
 
I feel the club is in a dangerous place at the moment.

There's a serious, structural problem at the top which which is unlikely to be corrected in the near future. Distant, semi-detached owners who know next to nothing about their core business, with control over football matters delegated to an almost equally unqualified accountant. No DoF to compensate for the lack of football expertise, and no likelihood that one will be appointed, since Woody has the ear of the Glazers, and will wish to keep all the reins of power in his own hands.

We saw the consequences last summer in the failure to properly recruit, and things are beginning to look ominous this summer as well. A state of paralysis descending on the club with the departure of an existing manager, and all business in suspension until the incoming manager can suggest or approve vital transfer targets.

But, as it happened and for different reasons, neither Moyes nor Van Gaal were well placed to do this. Moyes, because he'd been operating at a lower level in the market at Everton, and Van Gaal, because he's been an international manager for several years, and hasn't spent his time keeping an eye out for top players who might suit Manchester United. Asking Van Gaal, who's barely acquainted with our existing personnel, and whose attention has been focused on Dutch players for the last three years, to take charge of recruitment, is less than optimal. Of course he's not going to say, "I can't do it", but it's not surprising he's been stalling.

If things go badly, United might appoint 5 managers in the next 10 years. Is all the club's football business going to start afresh with each new appointment? We need continuity, at least in the supremely important matter of transfers.

If Van Gaal turns into another Fergie, we're safe for 4/5/6 years. But what if he doesn't?
This is the jist if the matter, we do not have specialist football people in senior positions at United and, as you rightly pointed out, it is reflected in our recruitment failures, the fact that we have massively overpaid for a number of our recent signings and that we have let three senior defenders go without really planning effectively for their replacements. Appointing a DoF might be a source of potential conflict with the manager but at this moment it's better to have a clear recruitment direction over this paralysis. If they fo not want a DoF then the next guy that becomes our COO should be a football person, at the very least or we are going to suffer on the pitch again and again.
 
I feel the club is in a dangerous place at the moment.

There's a serious, structural problem at the top which which is unlikely to be corrected in the near future. Distant, semi-detached owners who know next to nothing about their core business, with control over football matters delegated to an almost equally unqualified accountant. No DoF to compensate for the lack of football expertise, and no likelihood that one will be appointed, since Woody has the ear of the Glazers, and will wish to keep all the reins of power in his own hands.

We saw the consequences last summer in the failure to properly recruit, and things are beginning to look ominous this summer as well. A state of paralysis descending on the club with the departure of an existing manager, and all business in suspension until the incoming manager can suggest or approve vital transfer targets.

But, as it happened and for different reasons, neither Moyes nor Van Gaal were well placed to do this. Moyes, because he'd been operating at a lower level in the market at Everton, and Van Gaal, because he's been an international manager for several years, and hasn't spent his time keeping an eye out for top players who might suit Manchester United. Asking Van Gaal, who's barely acquainted with our existing personnel, and whose attention has been focused on Dutch players for the last three years, to take charge of recruitment, is less than optimal. Of course he's not going to say, "I can't do it", but it's not surprising he's been stalling.

If things go badly, United might appoint 5 managers in the next 10 years. Is all the club's football business going to start afresh with each new appointment? We need continuity, at least in the supremely important matter of transfers.

If Van Gaal turns into another Fergie, we're safe for 4/5/6 years. But what if he doesn't?

Shaw and Herrera are a productive of continuity.

This transfer window will define Woodward, there'll be no excuses if we end up with another deadline day fiasco.
 
I think Van Gaal's leaving it until lunchtime on 1st Sept to give Woody the list of players he wants, just to test him out :lol:
 
Shaw and Herrera are a productive of continuity.

This transfer window will define Woodward, there'll be no excuses if we end up with another deadline day fiasco.


Agree. If we "fail" to bring in some new exciting players this window Ed will get all the blame. I can already imagine all the gifs about "watch this space" that will be made.
 
Shaw and Herrera are a productive of continuity.

This transfer window will define Woodward, there'll be no excuses if we end up with another deadline day fiasco.
But what if it's Van Gaal who decides against spending? He surely can't get the blame but he'd cop some stick because he blabbed about flexing our financial muscle.
 
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The gap in the midfield is obvious. Even if you assume clevz Carrick and fletcher are all good enough we're light on numbers alone. Fellaini and Ando have to leave.

LVG may resist the stellar signing but he will at least want to bring in "players to fit his system" in defence and midfield, he's already said we're unbalanced and need to buy in previous pressers. I could see vermaelen, blind, de Jong being a van gaal kind of summer and so long as we don't wait until d-day and spend 30million on De Jong you'd have to say Eddie's done his job.

Vidal and hummels would obviously establish Ed's awesomeness, and the other extreme would be Cavani for £80m which would show him to be crazy, not just out of his depth.
 
Has anyone put two and two together with the interview and speech he gave coming a week before the Glazers put another bunch of shares up yet?

With that said, I thought shareholders don't like it when the club they own shares in spend money on transfers as it directly cuts into profits and as a result, dividends.
 
Has anyone put two and two together with the interview and speech he gave coming a week before the Glazers put another bunch of shares up yet?

With that said, I thought shareholders don't like it when the club they own shares in spend money on transfers as it directly cuts into profits and as a result, dividends.

Nor do they like it when the club loses out on tens of millions of CL revenue and sponsorship deals start to be discounted. The CL is critical, titles maybe not so much, but having a manager who is credible as a title contender I suspect is now viewed as critical as well.

I'm still in the optimist camp. I think Ed's got a scout provided/LvG filtered list of targets labelled as first XI options, high potential players and squad backups and that he's monitoring them all, pending LvG saying what he needs to supplement what we've got.

Players like Reece James could be in line for those squad places now. The wingers all have something to prove, but I doubt we'll sell them all - LvG needs to see them and talk to them to decide who stays. I think those decisions are getting closer.

I'm sure there are a couple of players who we'd have bought without testing anything (Hummels perhaps is one) but if the reality is that they aren't available, because clubs don't have to sell, and nor do players have to choose us, then it's better to complete the analysis. However frustrating that is for us.
 
Nor do they like it when the club loses out on tens of millions of CL revenue and sponsorship deals start to be discounted. The CL is critical, titles maybe not so much, but having a manager who is credible as a title contender I suspect is now viewed as critical as well.

I'm still in the optimist camp. I think Ed's got a scout provided/LvG filtered list of targets labelled as first XI options, high potential players and squad backups and that he's monitoring them all, pending LvG saying what he needs to supplement what we've got.

Players like Reece James could be in line for those squad places now. The wingers all have something to prove, but I doubt we'll sell them all - LvG needs to see them and talk to them to decide who stays. I think those decisions are getting closer.

I'm sure there are a couple of players who we'd have bought without testing anything (Hummels perhaps is one) but if the reality is that they aren't available, because clubs don't have to sell, and nor do players have to choose us, then it's better to complete the analysis. However frustrating that is for us.

If we really want much better chances squad wise, he has to bring in those 2 magic players like a CM and a CB, we do not have the numbers in quality in CM, beyond herrera it is grim, and in defence we do not have the numbers. One injury or 2 in defence, we have no numbers left at the back, which will require the academy players are thrown straight in the deep end. I would not want us going to man city, with jones and smalling injured, and relying on academy players to fill those spots
 
Has anyone put two and two together with the interview and speech he gave coming a week before the Glazers put another bunch of shares up yet?

With that said, I thought shareholders don't like it when the club they own shares in spend money on transfers as it directly cuts into profits and as a result, dividends.

Well transfers in are more like capital expenditure I think, you've got to do it to keep the "business" at the least static and to grow which any serious investor at this level would recognize you'd imagine (hope). It hit's cash which would impact dividends but I don't think the Glazers are looking to payout dividends at the moment anyway.

I suppose one worry is that the Glazers are looking to capitalize right now on the positive of LVGs impact and the buzz around us looking to overhaul the squad which may have helped push up the share price and so they're looking to sell some shares without actually planning to buy some more expensive players. Though I'm not sure when the shares will go on sale so they might need to follow through with purchases to keep the price up.
 
Everything so far has pointed to LVG "observing" or whatever he's doing and not willing to spend. Why does Woodward keep getting the blame? Considering how boisterous he's been about United's spending power, I'd say it'll most likely be down to LVG if money isn't spent.
Maybe in hindsight he never should have built up the hype, but as a guy who also handles the commercial part of the club, you can see why he'd want to "brag"
 
If we win tonight, we'll have a game on Monday, so presumably we won't be doing any business until it's all finished and we're back from there.

So that pushes the clock back to the middle of next week, which will be a cheky 10days before the first game.
Time is really rolling away!
 
I feel the club is in a dangerous place at the moment.

There's a serious, structural problem at the top which which is unlikely to be corrected in the near future. Distant, semi-detached owners who know next to nothing about their core business, with control over football matters delegated to an almost equally unqualified accountant. No DoF to compensate for the lack of football expertise, and no likelihood that one will be appointed, since Woody has the ear of the Glazers, and will wish to keep all the reins of power in his own hands.

We saw the consequences last summer in the failure to properly recruit, and things are beginning to look ominous this summer as well. A state of paralysis descending on the club with the departure of an existing manager, and all business in suspension until the incoming manager can suggest or approve vital transfer targets.

But, as it happened and for different reasons, neither Moyes nor Van Gaal were well placed to do this. Moyes, because he'd been operating at a lower level in the market at Everton, and Van Gaal, because he's been an international manager for several years, and hasn't spent his time keeping an eye out for top players who might suit Manchester United. Asking Van Gaal, who's barely acquainted with our existing personnel, and whose attention has been focused on Dutch players for the last three years, to take charge of recruitment, is less than optimal. Of course he's not going to say, "I can't do it", but it's not surprising he's been stalling.

If things go badly, United might appoint 5 managers in the next 10 years. Is all the club's football business going to start afresh with each new appointment? We need continuity, at least in the supremely important matter of transfers.

If Van Gaal turns into another Fergie, we're safe for 4/5/6 years. But what if he doesn't?
Im not that worried about this tbh. On the first bolded bit, I dont think Woodward is a control freak, he is a man who will be judged on results and will want to do whatever it takes to achieve them. If it became clear we were being undermined by a lack of football knowledge in the tier above the manager, I would expect him to bring in a DoF, I dont think he would see that as undermining his own position, or at least it would undermine him less than continued poor performance would. Ive said it before but I think Woodward is highly valued by the Glazers for the commercial success he has delivered to the club so there is no question of him being viewed as redundant. Whatever it takes to keep the money rolling in is good for the Glazers and therefore good for him, and if that meant bringing in someone in better placed than he is, I see no evidence to suggest he would balk at that.

As for the second bolded bit, its debatable how much of an issue this is, but if you are right (I suspect you arent and he has enough of an intrinsic fascination with football to watch what is happening in other leagues even if he is not working in them or actively scouting for players) he will get up to speed very quickly. He's clearly experienced with assessing players and is surrounded by scouts. Its not like he's been playing golf and out of football for a decade, and is rusty and out of the loop.
 
I feel the club is in a dangerous place at the moment.

There's a serious, structural problem at the top which which is unlikely to be corrected in the near future. Distant, semi-detached owners who know next to nothing about their core business, with control over football matters delegated to an almost equally unqualified accountant. No DoF to compensate for the lack of football expertise, and no likelihood that one will be appointed, since Woody has the ear of the Glazers, and will wish to keep all the reins of power in his own hands.

We saw the consequences last summer in the failure to properly recruit, and things are beginning to look ominous this summer as well. A state of paralysis descending on the club with the departure of an existing manager, and all business in suspension until the incoming manager can suggest or approve vital transfer targets.

But, as it happened and for different reasons, neither Moyes nor Van Gaal were well placed to do this. Moyes, because he'd been operating at a lower level in the market at Everton, and Van Gaal, because he's been an international manager for several years, and hasn't spent his time keeping an eye out for top players who might suit Manchester United. Asking Van Gaal, who's barely acquainted with our existing personnel, and whose attention has been focused on Dutch players for the last three years, to take charge of recruitment, is less than optimal. Of course he's not going to say, "I can't do it", but it's not surprising he's been stalling.

If things go badly, United might appoint 5 managers in the next 10 years. Is all the club's football business going to start afresh with each new appointment? We need continuity, at least in the supremely important matter of transfers.

If Van Gaal turns into another Fergie, we're safe for 4/5/6 years. But what if he doesn't?

Describing Woodward as an "unqualified accountant" is ridiculous [edit: and, in all honesty, a little pathetic]. Even when he joined us he wasn't an accountant (unlike Gill, who was an accountant pure and simple) - he was a deals guy at an investment bank. Everything he did then and has done since has required getting an intimate knowledge of the business. Do you really think that an "unqualified accountant" with little or no knowledge of the business could have handled the Chevrolet and Adidas negotiations? At that level you cannot sell what you don't understand. (For comparison: Gill had been in the company for 6 years with no other football background when he became CEO; Woodward had been here for 8 years. Unless you think Woodward is stupid - and the evidence is against that - it would be impossible to be in a senior position in the company for that long and not know exactly what goes on in it.)
 
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I am expecting Woodward to complete some deals before the end of the window, but I think it will be players like Vlaar, Vermaelen, Blind and Depay rather than Reus, Hummels, Vidal etc. Hope I am wrong but I do envisage another underwhelming transfer window where Woodward will not have lived up to the comments he made at the start of the tour, whose fault that will be I am not sure though.

We are on our third manager in just over a year and we are owned by the Glazers so realistically I don’t think it is that unexpected that we are hesitant and uncompetitive in the transfer market, the money spent on Mata and Fellaini has also hit us, it was a lot to spend on an a player we didn’t really need and one who doesn’t fit our style of play, if that money had been spent in other areas we would be much better off. Depsite all the commercial growth and sponsorship deals we do operate with a budget and we have to accept that, it is also a bit unfair to take Woodward’s comments too literally as it is standard practice to go around bragging or leaking information to the press, it is only really the big Spanish and the oil rich clubs that actually back it up regularly though.
 
If he fails to get Fellaini's ridiculous wages off the books next season I'd be very disappointed with him. Word is that Napoli will walk away as Woody wants a £4m loan fee. I don't think that's realistic and he appears to have pulled that figure based on the massively inflated fee we paid for him last Summer.
 
Describing Woodward as an "unqualified accountant" is ridiculous [edit: and, in all honesty, a little pathetic]. Even when he joined us he wasn't an accountant (unlike Gill, who was an accountant pure and simple) - he was a deals guy at an investment bank. Everything he did then and has done since has required getting an intimate knowledge of the business. Do you really think that an "unqualified accountant" with little or no knowledge of the business could have handled the Chevrolet and Adidas negotiations? At that level you cannot sell what you don't understand. (For comparison: Gill had been in the company for 6 years with no other football background when he became CEO; Woodward had been here for 8 years. Unless you think Woodward is stupid - and the evidence is against that - it would be impossible to be in a senior position in the company for that long and not know exactly what goes on in it.)

I did say 'football matters'. There's a difference between 'selling the brand' and buying footballers. I'm sure Woody is well qualified to run the business, but he's poorly qualified to decide on a list of transfer targets. Who's he going to consult? - apart from the next manager, who, as I said, may himself be in a poor position to make such a decision.

It's not an issue with a long-term manager, but Fergies and Wengers are the exceptions, and managerial flux is more common.

The problem is acute for us because we need to recruit this summer and we need to get it right. We can only hope for the best.
 
Big month ahead for him. After all his big talk, he can't have just shaw and herrera to show for it given the names who've gone out. I'm intrigued as to what he delivers given his "watch this space" comment. Either it's big talk with some genuine action backing it up or he's made a complete fool of himself.
 
Think we are done in the market bar maybe one versatile defender.

Di Maria, Hummels, Vidal etc are all pipe dreams and like that last minute "bid" for Gareth Bale nothing will come of the supposed interest.

Think he has made a rod for his own back with all these comments, unlimited budget, not afraid to break the world record fee etc. Fans expectations are through the roof.

Luckily for him we now have a manager who is not completely clueless and even with the current set of players should get us back into the CL which is the main goal for all the money men.
 
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