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Brown was our star right back in a CL PL double-winning campaign in 2008.
Yea they have money, not money needed to keep united at the top, which also hits the point on the head they are the problem, not Moyes, or Van gaal, fact is the club needs an ownership change with people who are willing to take us back to the top. All the glazers are, is a huge anchor weighing the club down
We are experience the glorified Doug Ellis era
We finally agree pal
We never spent big compared to the other big clubs, even during Fergie's time we did not spend like 'the biggest clubs in the world'.
The Glazers have spent plenty and if I were them i'd be seriously questioning our transfer policy as well after spending 120 million (I read it was even more in another thread) and see zero improvement.
I still don't think it's all down to his incompetence and I haven't seen anything to change my mind on this. It's probably a combination of LVG's dithering along with Woodward trying to play hardball on some deals.
There was a time when I used to laugh at Liverpool, laugh at their transfer business and their general incompetence, never seeming to being able to get things right. Being Dutch, when they signed Ryan Babel for almost 20 million euro's back then, I literally chuckled every time I thought about that for a week. I think the moment they signed Suarez for roughly the same money we have spent on Young, things were looking to be going the wrong way. I thought it was just an incident, plus we won the league with Ashley.
Now we have Woodward. Edward Woodward, an excellent banker who made it possible for the Glazers to own one of the biggest sport clubs in the world, without investing like Abramovic or that Sheikh Mansour City fella. To repay Edward for his good services, he was made boss. Since he's the boss, nothing has gone well for us. At all. Some of my Liverpool mates are pissing themselves laughing when I explain to them what's going on here, and at our beloved club. It feels like we're becoming the new Liverpool, and no matter how hard we try or how mad the fans get, nothing seems to stop it from happening.
Although I must say that if Carrick miraculously recovers very well from his injury in a couple of weeks and catches form straight away (which is almost impossible, I know), and Shaw returns to fitness, Louis might get us on track. Actually I think it's odds on LvG getting us back on track, but things are looking very grim this weekend.
Whether it's a 5-3-2 or a 4-3-3 with Rafael, Jones, Evans/Smalling, Shaw, Carrick, Herrera, Rooney, Januzaj, RvP, Mata, if we can get into form and fitness and regain our confidence, beautiful things can still happen this season. Just too much quality to have a season like last one with those players, plus the reserves, plus a good manager.
Now we have Woodward. Edward Woodward, an excellent banker who made it possible for the Glazers to own one of the biggest sport clubs in the world, without investing like Abramovic or that Sheikh Mansour City fella. To repay Edward for his good services, he was made boss. Since he's the boss, nothing has gone well for us. At all. Some of my Liverpool mates are pissing themselves laughing when I explain to them what's going on here, and at our beloved club. It feels like we're becoming the new Liverpool, and no matter how hard we try or how mad the fans get, nothing seems to stop it from happening.
Although I must say that if Carrick miraculously recovers very well from his injury in a couple of weeks and catches form straight away (which is almost impossible, I know), and Shaw returns to fitness, Louis might get us on track. Actually I think it's odds on LvG getting us back on track, but things are looking very grim this weekend.
Whether it's a 5-3-2 or a 4-3-3 with Rafael, Jones, Evans/Smalling, Shaw, Carrick, Herrera, Rooney, Januzaj, RvP, Mata, if we can get into form and fitness and regain our confidence, beautiful things can still happen this season. Just too much quality to have a season like last one with those players, plus the reserves, plus a good manager.
This revisionism is ridiculous. Go and look at the amount of times fergie broke the British transfer record.
Money was never a problem when board understood. they were buying quality.
Because the squad was in need of at least 3 signings last season which never materialised due to his incompetence meaning we'd need a much busier and well planned window this summer and it's descended into another farce.
I trust this man.
It's the same story as last summer. We are coming to the closing weeks of the transfer window and everyone can see the holes in our squad.
It's frustrating all the talk before the window has give us unrealistic expectations of the window. All our rivals seem to have got their major business done before the season has started. Yet here we are with coming to the last two weeks of the window still looking for targets.
I understand LVG wanted to look at the squad and see where he needed to strengthen, but I feel this has taken too long. We haven't seen any of the deadwood get the axe yet. We've "prepared" more bids than any other club.
It's frustrating all the talk before the window has give us unrealistic expectations of the window. All our rivals seem to have got their major business done before the season has started. Yet here we are with coming to the last two weeks of the window still looking for targets.
I understand LVG wanted to look at the squad and see where he needed to strengthen, but I feel this has taken too long. We haven't seen any of the deadwood get the axe yet. We've "prepared" more bids than any other club.
We've obviously been watching the wrong space. Dammit."We’ve been working with Louis over several weeks with regards to targets and we’re continuing to move forward on some of those targets," Woodward told MUTV's Stewart Gardner in Los Angeles.
"We are willing to invest. There is no fixed budget. Financially we are extremely strong and funds are available. Louis is assessing what’s going on and there is a lot of work going on behind the scenes, so watch this space."
That was on the 20th of July. Almost a month later and nothing. What the feck have we been doing?
That's exactly what is unforgivable in this whole 'clearout'. We could easily keep Nemanja or Rio for just one more season or even half in case of emergency which we're sadly experiencing now.
I presume he was saying he wouldn't buy until he saw if the players we already had could cope with his tactics. Just wonder if yesterday was the proof he needed.
Its worth pointing out that the Costa deal has been in the pipeline since January.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-Wayne-Rooney-is-staying-at-Old-Trafford.html
Same with City and Mangala. These things don't actually take a month to tie up in many cases. It just that often we only hear about them right at the end.
I knew what was coming when he did that interview. The guy is definitely clueless.
Vidic left mid-season last year, and he hinted since that he might have stayed if he knew Moyes was going. I dont think Ed or LVG are to blame there.
As for Rio, he was truly dreadful last season. In now way do I see him as a step up on where we are right now.
''They were buying quality'' are the key words here... we bought Fellaini and a player we did not need in Mata for 60 million plus.
And we broke British transfer records? We have come close by buying Mata as recent as last year have we not?
It's our own fault we wasted huge amounts of money, if it were my money (and no doubt this goes for 90 pct of the whiners on here blaming the Glazers for not spending enough) I'd first replace a few people within United before comitting another huge wad of cash on players.
120 million within a year and zero improvement. Shocking.
Brown and O'Shea were not out first choice defenders. Bruce and Pallister were, Rio and Vidic were. You cannot compare them as Smalling and Jones are our first choice. The fact you are comparing them with Brown and O'Shea and not our great pairings says a lot about their quality.
Yes he was, so if you are comparing Jones and Smalling as RB's then Wes is far better.
Exactly their experience is invaluable. Letting Evra go seems a mistake as well. It's frustrating that the players that should have left the club- Hernandez, Anderson and Nani haven't gone yet. Instead we decided to get rid of our most experienced players the year we decided to go with 3 at te back
It's good to see the youth players get promoted by my worry is they are being promoted because we are in desperate need of players rather than the youth players have the quality to make the grade at Manchester United.
I trust this man.
Not this idiots finest moment. In time, Woodward will prove himself as inept at his role as Moyes did at his.
WATCH THIS SPACE!
He's your typical Yuppie. Sorry to say. Gill had class, Woodward is a pillock.
Well there's plenty of space between his ears.
True. Didn't Woodward break the news to Ferdinand that he was leaving in the dressing room after a game?
Part of the problem is that we're still in transition post Fergie (and Gill, I suppose). Moyes didn't get to work until July 1st last season - and has now listed this as one of his regrets regarding last season. A so-called proactive move would have been to buy him free of the remainder of his Everton contract as soon as it became clear he would take the job.
With LVG it was even worse because of the World Cup. Both managers needed time to assess the squad - which is fair enough in itself, but we don't have the bloody time, do we? To me it's fairly obvious that we need, at the bare minimum, a top class CB to add to our current options, not least given LVG's penchant for playing three at the back. That player - Benatia or whoever - should have been lined up along with Shaw and Herrera a long time ago. I doubt LVG would've had any problems with that. It smells of indecision and a lack of proper planning on the footballing side to me.
With LVG it was even worse because of the World Cup. Both managers needed time to assess the squad - which is fair enough in itself, but we don't have the bloody time, do we? To me it's fairly obvious that we need, at the bare minimum, a top class CB to add to our current options, not least given LVG's penchant for playing three at the back. That player - Benatia or whoever - should have been lined up along with Shaw and Herrera a long time ago. I doubt LVG would've had any problems with that. It smells of indecision and a lack of proper planning on the footballing side to me.
Yep, yet people on here still claim that they are good owners. The Glazers are, were and always will be fecking parasites.
Even better then, they have prepared to bid for him in the summer ever since January. Can you not see how that is good dealing from Chelsea? It backs my point further.
It would - except we didn't hire our manager til this summer. So it doesn't.
Which we did with Shaw and Herrera. Nailed those transfer's impeccably. Any other transfer was impossible to do that as Van Gaal wasn't even here.
Did LVG not say in his post match interview that he knew what positions needed strengthening in our US tour?
I didn't make the comparison other people did
We lined up Shaw for months before van Gaal even though we signed Evra on to another year on his deal, and as far as I'm aware Moyes didn't take Herrera on because he wanted a Premier league proven player that he knew, and had a lot of interest in Kroos instead. So that must mean that he got the Herrera deal done in between Moyes being sacked and to the day we signed him, so he does have the ability to get things done quickly.
Like I said above, we have been interested in Shaw for a while, and he was a player Moyes wanted, but as far as Herrera is concerned, it seemed that Kroos was the preferred option. If Woodward needs half a year to prepare a bid and get a signing then we may struggle in the future. We shouldn't expect every signing to be done in a couple of weeks, but if he finishes the window without anymore signings then it's worrying times, because he has seen Vidic and Rio both leave and hasn't done anything about it. As soon as Vidic announced he was leaving for Inter, that should have been a sign for Woodward to identify a CB target to replace him in stature, no matter which manager comes in.
Pretty sure the poll results would be different should it get reset.
If he fecks up this window, hope he'll be downgraded back to the commercial etc job.
He still shouldn't get sacked, but he does need help.
The costa deal doesn't prove that every deal takes months to arrange...
Athletico were in with a realistic chance of winning la liga and going far in champions league. While Chelsea were going to have to offload ba and eto.
Asides from that clubs negotiating in January usually do so for players the next season, just look at bayern....
There was literally nothing to stop united offering more for their priority targeted to speed deals up... But one of the richest clubs in the world makes value for money signings it's priority...
In summary, Money makes deals move quicker.....
He did. I think it's clear that he's wanted defender and midfielders for awhile now. Whether he gets them is another matter.
Wouldn't you love to know who exactly he wanted as his first choice ?
Even if we knew he wanted to wait for Strootman to be fit (so buy in January), it would be nice to know . .
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