Woodward (old thread)

Should Studward remain as CE of Manchester United?

  • No - he should be sacked also.

    Votes: 40 22.6%

  • Yes - he should stay.

    Votes: 137 77.4%
  • Total voters
    177
  • Poll closed .
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I don't get it. We line up shaw and Herrera before LVG took over. Why didn't we line up a vidic or Ferdinand replacement? Why wasn't that part of our long term plan?
 
Asked if the defeat highlighted the need for reinforcements, Van Gaal said: ‘I thought that before this match, so it’s no different. When we were playing in the United States I saw the same. Of course we need defenders
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I hope the assesing squad brigade will shut up now.

Its clear Van Gaal requested.for certain players ages ago.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I don't get it. We line up shaw and Herrera before LVG took over. Why didn't we line up a vidic or Ferdinand replacement? Why wasn't that part of our long term plan?
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I don't get why we sell two left backs too and just sign one.

Yeah it would have been cnutish to keep Evra against his will. But he had a year left on his contract and until we signed a replacement then we shouldn't have let him go.
 
Does anyone at the club know that us trying to haggle say 20 million in total off our transfers by waiting is not a good strategy as clubs will now be ask for more money due to the lateness of the bids.
 
Cooksen said:
Does anyone at the club know that us trying to haggle say 20 million in total off our transfers by waiting is not a good strategy as clubs will now be ask for more money due to the lateness of the bids.
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After yesterday, every player we want has had their price increased. Clubs know we desperate.
 
Sunny Jim said:
I hope the assesing squad brigade will shut up now.

Its clear Van Gaal requested.for certain players ages ago.
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Asked if he needed new faces, the Dutchman
replied: "Yes, but I have thought that before this
match, so it is no different. When we were playing
in the US, I thought the same. "I know in what positions we need better players.
But you have to buy only when the player can
fulfil the way of playing that I ask. We have to
wait and see".
Funny how people ignore the last part in that interview! Does that sound like a man who has given definitive targets ?
 
If I were the glazers i'd be asking why we were still looking piss poor after spending over a 100 million pound on players in the space of 12 months.
 
Freak said:
I'd love for this poll to be reopened. I'm pretty sure you'll get more that the 40 people who want him relieved of his duties at CEO. He's an incompetent cnut.
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He's good at getting sponsorship deals. But my idea scenario is we sign a DOF and move on with the times. Fergie was a one off. Now we going to be like any other club changing managers every 3 years or so. All the big clubs have one apart from us and Arsenal.
 
itso 7 said:
Asked if he needed new faces, the Dutchman
replied: "Yes, but I have thought that before this
match, so it is no different. When we were playing
in the US, I thought the same. "I know in what positions we need better players.
But you have to buy only when the player can
fulfil the way of playing that I ask. We have to
wait and see".
Funny how people ignore the last part in that interview! Does that sound like a man who has given definitive targets ?
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Yes, he knows what postions he wants strenghten and what players he wants. Isnt that clear??
 
rpitchfo said:
If I were the glazers i'd be asking why we were still looking piss poor after spending over a 100 million pound on players in the space of 12 months.
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Maybe they should have spent more of the Ronaldo money then. Be proactive and spend to improve while we were on top of the world but had just lost a big piece of the jigsaw.

Our response to losing Ronaldo was pathetic as was last year's response to losing the most significant man in English football history, so they don't deserve any praise for finally starting to spend what they should have spent before, when it's now years too late, and the team has suffered already.

Mata was a reactive signing, albeit an expensive one. It doesn't impress me.
We should have signed Herrera last year, but hoped we'd get by, because he'd cost a bit of money.
He'd have taken us past what we intended to spend, so that was that. It didn't matter if he'd have possibly been a great addition, he'd have taken us past what we wanted to spend. And that's the priority after all.
Oh yeah, but we 'bid' £100 million for Bale as he was having his Madrid medical. So that proves we wanted to spend really big...

Woodward is a Glazer man, but it's the Glazers who need to go. He can go with them.
 
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itso 7 said:
Asked if he needed new faces, the Dutchman
replied: "Yes, but I have thought that before this
match, so it is no different. When we were playing
in the US, I thought the same. "I know in what positions we need better players.
But you have to buy only when the player can
fulfil the way of playing that I ask. We have to
wait and see".
Funny how people ignore the last part in that interview! Does that sound like a man who has given definitive targets ?
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I think we're reading different things mate because it reads exactly to me like he knows who he wants. I've never bought the assessing the squad nonsense.

We won't know for certain but if its true he handed a list of targets a while ago then there is only one person to blame. How we have started the season with a worse squad than last year is absolutely inexcusable. All the positivity that LVG brings is in doubt because many supporters already are fearing the worst. No doubt he is a fantastic manager but he can't perform the impossible.
 
rpitchfo said:
If I were the glazers i'd be asking why we were still looking piss poor after spending over a 100 million pound on players in the space of 12 months.
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Yeah that's part of the problem. You could go back further than 12 months as well. I'd say only Van Persie and DDG have been successful signings in recent times. Then you have the likes of Kagawa, Zaha, Powell, Buttner, Bebe, Fellaini, Young etc. You could also argue Mata was a panic buy that wasn't needed and the likes of Jones and Smalling have not progressed the way we hoped.
 
Bojan11 said:
I don't get why we sell two left backs too and just sign one.

Yeah it would have been cnutish to keep Evra against his will. But he had a year left on his contract and until we signed a replacement then we shouldn't have let him go.
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It's all a madness, it's hard to find a logic
 
There is no defending him now anymore. When he came up with the "watch out for this space", that lad adam from full time devil channel said it was gobshite and he was laughed at here. He turns out to be right sadly.

It has gone from

We will do the business
Before the wc
After the wc
Waiting for players to come back
Assessing squad
After pre season tour

And now what is the excuse.
 
rpitchfo said:
If I were the glazers i'd be asking why we were still looking piss poor after spending over a 100 million pound on players in the space of 12 months.
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Because they gave 100 million in the hands of a clown like Woody
 
a week to sign players, we need at least 6 in total imo, less than 3 this week and Woodward can feck the feck off
 
This to me betrays some doubt;
"But you have to buy only when the
player can
fulfil the way of playing that I ask. "
Van Gaal is the one who identifies the players who can play the way he asks not Woodward. After that the the process can begin in earnest by which time things like availability crop up (will Dortmund do a deal for Hummels when they have money from previous sales and have lost a number of key players recently), terms of the deal ( would you really let Smalling go inorder to get Vermaelen?) and some complications ( Vidal's supposed knee or Rojo's clusterfeck ).
The above are excuses but for me the issue runs deeper than simply replacing Woodward with a serial rainmaker like Perez. It lies with how we identify players and our process of buying players. Woodward has to direct some of the improvements but I doubt whether he has the required football know how to identify the problems and solve them. The football side has deteriorated because it was centred around one person, it was Fergie who knew who to target, dispose of, promote and who to turn to when shit went wrong. Now he is gone we need to modernise the structure of the football side, our core operation, to ensure that the manager is just a part of the system not it's main server. It's time to get a DOF whose task is to scout the type of player the current manager wants, research background info on the deal and determine with the manager whether it's a go.
Woodward's failure is not due to him being unable to negotiate, being stingy or anything like that. It's due to the fact that he is dealing with a normal manager unlike Gill who was dealing with a DOF/manager rolled into one, how many times did Fergie step in to push a deal through ? He stepped in on the Van Persie, Kagawa,Powell and was involved in the Nasri deal to the extent that Nasri called him to inform him of City's offer. Moyes and LvG aren't that involved because they are not as established here.
 
How the team changed in the last years

Vds>De Gea

Brown>Smalling
O'Shea>Jones
Vidic>not replaced
Rio>not replaced
Evra>Shaw
Buttner>not replaced

Ronaldo>Valencia
Scholes>Herrera
Giggs>Fellaini
Park>Young
Hargreves>Powell

Solskjaer>Hernandez
Tevez>Welbeck
Berbatov>Van Persie
 
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itso 7 said:
This to me betrays some doubt;
"But you have to buy only when the
player can
fulfil the way of playing that I ask. "
Van Gaal is the one who identifies the players who can play the way he asks not Woodward. After that the the process can begin in earnest by which time things like availability crop up (will Dortmund do a deal for Hummels when they have money from previous sales and have lost a number of key players recently), terms of the deal ( would you really let Smalling go inorder to get Vermaelen?) and some complications ( Vidal's supposed knee or Rojo's clusterfeck ).
The above are excuses but for me the issue runs deeper than simply replacing Woodward with a serial rainmaker like Perez. It lies with how we identify players and our process of buying players. Woodward has to direct some of the improvements but I doubt whether he has the required football know how to identify the problems and solve them. The football side has deteriorated because it was centred around one person, it was Fergie who knew who to target, dispose of, promote and who to turn to when shit went wrong. Now he is gone we need to modernise the structure of the football side, our core operation, to ensure that the manager is just a part of the system not it's main server. It's time to get a DOF whose task is to scout the type of player the current manager wants, research background info on the deal and determine with the manager whether it's a go.
Woodward's failure is not due to him being unable to negotiate, being stingy or anything like that. It's due to the fact that he is dealing with a normal manager unlike Gill who was dealing with a DOF/manager rolled into one, how many times did Fergie step in to push a deal through ? He stepped in on the Van Persie, Kagawa,Powell and was involved in the Nasri deal to the extent that Nasri called him to inform him of City's offer. Moyes and LvG aren't that involved because they are not as established here.
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Van Gaal in doubt? No. He makes decisions quick. Our problems in the market can be traced right back to our reluctance to pay the going rate....I.e the glazers.
 
LonelyFire said:
I think we're reading different things mate because it reads exactly to me like he knows who he wants. I've never bought the assessing the squad nonsense.

We won't know for certain but if its true he handed a list of targets a while ago then there is only one person to blame. How we have started the season with a worse squad than last year is absolutely inexcusable. All the positivity that LVG brings is in doubt because many supporters already are fearing the worst. No doubt he is a fantastic manager but he can't perform the impossible.
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Maybe my English is failing me but I'm reading it as: I know I need players but it has to be the right type of player. Is that right ?
 
itso 7 said:
Maybe my English is failing me but I'm reading it as: I know I need players but it has to be the right type of player. Is that right ?
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No. It reads " i know I need players...I want players for my system" which (fir me) confirms he knows exactly who he wants.
 
LonelyFire said:
Van Gaal in doubt? No. He makes decisions quick. Our problems in the market can be traced right back to our reluctance to pay the going rate....I.e the glazers.
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This. And Woodward is the Glazers man much more than Gill.
 
LonelyFire said:
No. It reads " i know I need players...I want players for my system" which (fir me) confirms he knows exactly who he wants.
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Also he has to moderate his language a little bit to avoid being too critical in public. But it's clear he's expecting players in.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Simply has to deliver over the next two weeks or I hope he is never allowed to play any part in our transfer activities in the future. He must be the sloppiest chief executive/director of football at closing deals off. And it's hurting the club.
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I think there's more to it than just finger pointing at woodward.
I reckon the owners are to blame with the transfers and Woodward's hands are tied,he can hardly come out and bash his Employers over funding.
 
royboy16 said:
I think there's more to it than just finger pointing at woodward.
I reckon the owners are to blame with the transfers and Woodward's hands are tied,he can hardly come out and bash his Employers over funding.
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Nah, but he should not say shit like we can pay record breaking fees or watch this space.

Just raises expectations of him.
 
Bojan11 said:
Nah, but he should not say shit like we can pay record breaking fees or watch this space.

Just raises expectations of him.
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Exactly. He's the chief executive not some unimportant chap in the hierarchy. He's made huge statements and isn't backing them up. Also, I'm not sure about the restrictions by the owners. We seem happy spending 30 million on an 18 year old.
 
::sonny:: said:
How the team changed in the last years

Vds>De Gea

Brown>Smalling
O'Shea>Jones
Vidic>not replaced
Rio>not replaced
Evra>Shaw
Buttner>not replaced

Ronaldo>Valencia
Scholes>Herrera
Giggs>Fellaini
Park>Young
Hargreves>Powell

Solskjaer>Hernandez
Tevez>Welbeck
Berbatov>Van Persie
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We haven't had Ole since 06 so he shouldn't be included in that. And the 06 version of Ole wasn't anywhere near as good as Hernandez. And Van Persie isn't as good as Berbatov??!!
That makes me think this is some sort of wum post
 
royboy16 said:
He cant just come out and say one of the biggest clubs in the world is broke,it would look bad for the business /club,it also wouldnt do us any favors in attracting new players.
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Happy with the squad, we are competetive, no value in the market, we are trying,....
A lot more could have been said than go out and say things like that without actually providing.
 
royboy16 said:
He cant just come out and say one of the biggest clubs in the world is broke,it would look bad for the business /club,it also wouldnt do us any favors in attracting new players.
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Yep. Just like 'No value in the market'.

Lies and half truths.
 
::sonny:: said:
How the team changed in the last years

Vds>De Gea

Brown>Smalling
O'Shea>Jones
Vidic>not replaced
Rio>not replaced
Evra>Shaw
Buttner>not replaced

Ronaldo>Valencia
Scholes>Herrera
Giggs>Fellaini
Park>Young
Hargreves>Powell

Solskjaer>Hernandez
Tevez>Welbeck
Berbatov>Van Persie
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Van Persie is twice the player berbatov is, but the rest is correct
 
What would happen to him if we signed nobody else this summer/panic bought badly on deadline day? Would we be able to put some serious pressure on him? I'd assume investors would get on his back, along with LVG, as it is for his constant bullshit talk about transfers
 
It would be quite incredible if he comes out of this window appearing even more cretinous than he did 12 months ago. Nevertheless, that seems to be the current trajectory. The club should look to make a change in this area - that doesn't mean to say Woodward has to go, but some kind of sporting/technical director with worldwide contacts and experience in closing deals, should be brought in to assist. That's for another time though; for the reminder of this window, our only hope is probably going to be resorting to third-party negotiators to close the deals (see Mata).
 
::sonny:: said:
How the team changed in the last years

Vds>De Gea

Brown>Smalling
O'Shea>Jones
Vidic>not replaced
Rio>not replaced
Evra>Shaw
Buttner>not replaced

Ronaldo>Valencia
Scholes>Herrera
Giggs>Fellaini
Park>Young
Hargreves>Powell

Solskjaer>Hernandez
Tevez>Welbeck
Berbatov>Van Persie
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Well that's not true at all.
 
I think he just added that one to make it a longer post and hoped noone would notice.
 
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