It's a leaked document, translated to English, we don't know the validity of it or the original content. So no.
No, he is implying, for example, that he was not about to fly with Juve in any flight that could stop in US even by emergency to avoid being arrested. Avoiding Justice is not only being or not guilty. Is collaborating with it also
It was hacked by that Portuguese lad wasn't it. I think the validity of the documents are generally perceived to be legit.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/sports/soccer/football-leaks-rui-pinto.html
Of course we have to accept a possibility that they are not legit.
How do you get away with posting this?She's happy, she has her money.
Is it the first time that it's officially confirmed that Ronaldo payed her off? I have it in my head that previous claims that he had done so came from Mayorga and leaked documents.Is that not old news?
If you're willing to pay off accusations of sex crimes I think it's fair to assume you're guilty of sex crimes.Costs of litigation are going to be significant and good luck getting those costs back especially if she takes it private. I very much doubt she has the capacity to make those payments.
Accordingly, this often a tactic used even if they're innocent to have the matter dealt with. Obviously sometimes there are payoff's but its not always the case.
If you're willing to pay off accusations of sex crimes I think it's fair to assume you're guilty of sex crimes.
Not always black and white, could be a business decision.If you're willing to pay off accusations of sex crimes I think it's fair to assume you're guilty of sex crimes.
If you're willing to pay off accusations of sex crimes I think it's fair to assume you're guilty of sex crimes.
If you're willing to pay off accusations of sex crimes I think it's fair to assume you're guilty of sex crimes.
I'll put it to you this way.
If some person comes after you purporting that you raped her even though you both know its bs, defending that might cost you 600k and the chance of getting your costs awarded to you against her for fabrication is 0. Thats before we consider commercial penalties and mental anguish.
If you offer that person 300k to make it go away at the start of the trial (taking away or the media interest, the personal anguish etc) would you do it?
Working in the legal industry and seeing how this affects people, I would do it in heart beat. Not only am I ahead from a financial standpoint, im not getting dragged through the mud even if im completely innocent.
Just because somebody settles, doesn't mean that they agree with whats going on.
I don’t think there’s doubt Ronaldo slept with her so there would always have to be that link.Don't you open yourself up to copy cats if you do that? Like if word gets around you payed someone of for just accusing you others might think it's a great idea to make a quick buck.
Well, I would say getting a compensation or money is always admitting something did happen. That's just my view though. Of course, CR's admission in the email kind of supports that assumption in this case.Or if you've got 100 million in the bank its far easier to pay some money to have it all go away than go through the stress and hassle of the legal process.
I'd argue the other side. If you're willing to take the pay off, it's fair to assume you were making it up.
Don't you open yourself up to copy cats if you do that? Like if word gets around you payed someone of for just accusing you others might think it's a great idea to make a quick buck.
Well, I would say getting a compensation or money is always admitting something did happen. That's just my view though. Of course, CR's admission in the email kind of supports that assumption in this case.
Well, I would say getting a compensation or money is always admitting something did happen. That's just my view though. Of course, CR's admission in the email kind of supports that assumption in this case.
Wait, he admitted he did it in an e-mail?
Isn't that kind of a sign that, you know, he did it?
“The documents that allegedly contain statements by Cristiano Ronaldo and were reproduced in the media are pure inventions,” Christiansen said. “So there are no doubts: Cristiano Ronaldo vehemently denies all the accusations in this civil action, in consistency with what he has done in the last nine years.
“By 2015, dozens of entities [including law firms] in different parts of Europe were attacked and saw a lot of information on their electronic equipment being stolen by a hacker. This hacker then tried to sell such information, having now a media outlet irresponsibly publishing some of the stolen documents, significant parts of which were altered and/or completely forged.”
Or if you've got 100 million in the bank its far easier to pay some money to have it all go away than go through the stress and hassle of the legal process.
I'd argue the other side. If you're willing to take the pay off, it's fair to assume you were making it up.
dozens of entities [including law firms] in different parts of Europe were attackedNo, he didn’t. If that was the case why would the LVPD drop the case?
Ronaldo’s lawyer:
Or you've got very little going for you and although it's less than ideal, it's far far easier to receive some compensation then to have to go through the stress and hassle of the legal process, which is much worse for accusers in these cases.
I was really just playing devil's advocate. I suppose depending on your circumstances you might prefer to choose the money route, although personally i think i would want to see real justice served. Paying her off is certainly no more an admission of guilt than her taking the money is an admission she made it up.
Whether it is worse for the accuser or not depends on whether the accusation is true. That seems doubtful in this case.
dozens of entities [including law firms] in different parts of Europe were attacked
Bit vague though innit? fair enough though, I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to forge. I was just wondering, since several people in this thread brought it up.
doesn't really matter in the end though, since laws don't really apply to very rich people.
If you are going to forge it anyway, you don't have to attack any law firms in the first place, do you?
I'll put it to you this way.
If some person comes after you purporting that you raped her even though you both know its bs, defending that might cost you 600k and the chance of getting your costs awarded to you against her for fabrication is 0. Thats before we consider commercial penalties and mental anguish.
If you offer that person 300k to make it go away at the start of the trial (taking away or the media interest, the personal anguish etc) would you do it?
Working in the legal industry and seeing how this affects people, I would do it in heart beat. Not only am I ahead from a financial standpoint, im not getting dragged through the mud even if im completely innocent.
Just because somebody settles, doesn't mean that they agree with whats going on.
The mental gymnastics people go through to defend famous people they like is something else.
In that case, I can only assume he will be issuing legal proceedings against, at the very least, Der Spiegel for the publishing of altered documents and/or statements. Given the catastrophic reputational damage has been done to him as a result of their publication. Of course, the alternative is that the reason no one is suing Der Spiegel for publishing these alleged forged altered documents obtained via Football Leaks is that their actual issue is with how they were obtained and not their contents or veracity. If those documents were forged or altered, there isn't a single reason Ronaldo wouldn't sue. I would think it should be noted that, to date, not one document from the Football Leaks cache has been proven to be forged or otherwise not a true copy of a document sourced by whatever means.No, he didn’t. If that was the case why would the LVPD drop the case?
Ronaldo’s lawyer:
If you're willing to pay off accusations of sex crimes I think it's fair to assume you're guilty of sex crimes.
In that case, I can only assume he will be issuing legal proceedings against, at the very least, Der Spiegel for the publishing of altered documents and/or statements. Given the catastrophic reputational damage has been done to him as a result of their publication. Of course, the alternative is that the reason no one is suing Der Spiegel for publishing these alleged forged altered documents obtained via Football Leaks is that their actual issue is with how they were obtained and not their contents or veracity. If those documents were forged or altered, there isn't a single reason Ronaldo wouldn't sue. I would think it should be noted that, to date, not one document from the Football Leaks cache has been proven to be forged or otherwise not a true copy of a document sourced by whatever means.
What "doesn't work like this"?Your chain of thought contains no logic. It doesn't work like this
What "doesn't work like this"?
Any legal advisor worth half a bob is going to point out the obvious, the potential downside of losing is bigger than the potential upside of winning. They're not interested in handing out actual copies, or trying to argue that Der Spiegel should've known whatever they published was altered, it's a shithole nobody is going to stick their dicks into.
Pretty sure that CR were all talk for months about legal action against Der Spiegel.
The minute this case gets swept under the carpet the rats scurry back into their hiding holes.
Nah, they weren't "all talk about legal action". They threatened with legal action a few times, but everyone threatens about legal action in high profile cases, it's nothing new, it's simply a strategy where they hope the opposing party will think twice before publishing anything, even perhaps holding things back. Damage control.
The case wasn't "swept under the carpet", it's the police saying they have investigated the matter but have nothing to prosecute on due to lack of evidence and reasonable doubt. Essentially what most have been saying for quite some time, that unless there's some actual evidence it's going to be a he said/she said and that's rarely enough to get someone convicted.
Not sure why people are so naive that they actually think his legal advisors are going to tell Ronaldo it's a good idea to start filing lawsuits just to keep this case alive in the media. For them it's pretty simple, Police aren't prosecuting because there's no evidence, hey we've been saying all along he's innocent and the Police agree, case closed. As i've already pointed out, the potential upside of winning a case against Der Spiegel is very small compared to the publicity involved and the downside of potentially losing such a case. The documents in question is just a small part of the case anyway, and it's a major newspaper, so unless his legal team have been documenting what the actual content is and Der Spiegel refuses to accept it, it's going to be extremely difficult to convince someone that they've actually done something wrong. Most will see it as Der Spiegel being well within their rights to believe the content to be true, given the rest of the documents they've been given via football leaks, and that it's just a small piece of a much larger case where the major story is the woman who'se accusing him of rape and not a document.
As mentioned above, none of these leaks have legally been found to have been tampered with as was suggested also a few comments back.
I get that they don't want to keep this in the public eye and its a "strategy", or dick swinging in reality. As I say they are happy to brush it under the carpet quickly and quietly now and stop with the talk of suing Der Spiegel cause it suits their client.
They aren't minor parts of the case, my memory is a big foggy on them having read them quite some time back but I'm pretty sure in one of the documents CR admits that she repeatedly said no and to stop yet he continued to force himself on her.
None of us will ever know what happened that night, but when there are legally binding documents like LVPD interview transcripts where CR is incriminating himself then no, no its not "minor".
