With Jose still in charge - I am NOT looking forward to next season

I’m willing to give it one more season. If we start to play better and get closer to
City and do better in the CL then I’ll be happy. I’m starting to feel like Jose’s man management is off and he’s destroying team spirit and not getting very much improvement out of the players. One player who seemed like the penny had finally dropped with was martial and then Jose drops him for the second half of the season in a World Cup year. Horrible man management. Alexis has been very poor in more than half the games he’s played. One more season and if it doesn’t work go for a coach who will build a young team over the next few seasons because as things stand we are way off anyway. Throwing money at aging players with nothing to prove isn’t going to fix us.
 
evil_geko said:
You do realize there are many reasons people want Jose out and none of them has anything to do with us not winning the league? But you just want to simplify it to "League title".

No, people have reasons beyond not winning League title, beyond not buying most expensive players, beyond "only playing attractive for the heck of it", believe it or not.

And do not ask me to mention them as they were already mentioned thousand times over and over but some choose to ignore it and continue with their pro Jose agenda.
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If the league title doesn't matter, then don't mention the league title like it matters.
If you don't really care about having a CL spot, don't mention that either.
 
Fully looking forward to next season! Jose isn't the problem in all of this, it's actually players underperforming that's the route cause of the problems. If anything he's shown too much trust in gash players.

If Pogba and Sanchez started putting in a shift, we'd definitely have more success. I think the cup final put a dampener on the season, as it could have been a salvager for us.

Mou has to be ruthless and drop/get rid of a batch of players in the hope it spurs the rest on to actually show some passion and will to win. Only Fergie really had that stop at nothing to win mentality. Most of the managers now are a bit passionless/passive and don't seem to care win or lose.
 
Massive Spanner said:
"I give you 2 coaches who could win the CL without any sweat"

*Names two coaches who have never won the CL*

Checks out.
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And assuming Simeone would play the same way as he generally does at Atletico, we'd have conceded too many goals for his ultra-defensive style with our defensive personnel (and Bailly hurt) and also I have no idea who plays RM for us (Pogba left, Herrera and Matic in the middle and rotating 2 of Lukaku, Sanchez and Martial up top) since I can't really see Martial or Mata doing well at that spot under Simeone.
 
One things I’ll say about Mourinho - and I don’t like the cnut any more than most of you - is that he does sign quality players. So I’m not worried about the legacy he’ll leave. The team might be boring, and his man management short termist but, the calibre of players he buys will excel under whoever his successor is. Of that I am quite sure

Van Gaal’s signings all had risks attached or were unproven, ADM aside. And none of them, Martial aside, still play any notable role at the club. But another manager with a spine of De Gea, Bailly, Matic, Pogba, Sanchez and Lukaku, is going to have a very good foundation to work with. If we add four quality signings in the summer, we’ll have a hell of a squad.

I don’t expect Mou to do much with it. But assuming we sign Sandro, Alderweireld, Milinkovic-Savic and someone like Bale or Willian, we have addressed nearly every weakness in the squad. Just an RB and another CM for rotation required.
 
With Mourinho as manager I'm actually looking forward to international football.
 
simonhch said:
One things I’ll say about Mourinho - and I don’t like the cnut any more than most of you - is that he does sign quality players. So I’m not worried about the legacy he’ll leave. The team might be boring, and his man management short termist but, the calibre of players he buys will excel under whoever his successor is. Of that I am quite sure

Van Gaal’s signings all had risks attached or were unproven, ADM aside. And none of them, Martial aside, still play any notable role at the club. But another manager with a spine of De Gea, Bailly, Matic, Pogba, Sanchez and Lukaku, is going to have a very good foundation to work with. If we add four quality signings in the summer, we’ll have a hell of a squad.

I don’t expect Mou to do much with it. But assuming we sign Sandro, Alderweireld, Milinkovic-Savic and someone like Bale or Willian, we have addressed nearly every weakness in the squad. Just an RB and another CM for rotation required.
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Would love to see what someone like Potchettino could do with those players plus the likes of Martial an RashFord
 
FujiVice said:
Like Jose himself, his supporters will find new and exciting ways to defend him. Probably only have a year left with him anyway.
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If Jose leaves, United go back to 5th/6th position. That Jose got this hapless squad to a 2nd position is a testament to his managerial acumen.

We should get rid of Jose & hire Pochettino who has won absolutely nothing(with a better squad)? Some of you people are either trolling or have no business contributing to a football discourse.

The only manager I would have instead of Jose is Pep. Pep can’t come to United so I hope Jose gets another 3 year contract. He’s made us competitive. The board should release more funds to purchase more quality players.

The back 5 in the cup final were all Fergie’s purchases - the newest of them was as far back as 7 years ago. In that period, City have changed each position in their defence about 3 times. We are lagging behind in squad development.
 
simonhch said:
One things I’ll say about Mourinho - and I don’t like the cnut any more than most of you - is that he does sign quality players. So I’m not worried about the legacy he’ll leave. The team might be boring, and his man management short termist but, the calibre of players he buys will excel under whoever his successor is. Of that I am quite sure

Van Gaal’s signings all had risks attached or were unproven, ADM aside. And none of them, Martial aside, still play any notable role at the club. But another manager with a spine of De Gea, Bailly, Matic, Pogba, Sanchez and Lukaku, is going to have a very good foundation to work with. If we add four quality signings in the summer, we’ll have a hell of a squad.

I don’t expect Mou to do much with it. But assuming we sign Sandro, Alderweireld, Milinkovic-Savic and someone like Bale or Willian, we have addressed nearly every weakness in the squad. Just an RB and another CM for rotation required.
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The thing about Moyes and LVG that irks me to no end is that they purchased their players and don't know where to play them.

Moyes was clueless as to where to play Fellaini, LVG was clueless on how to utilize BFS/MS/DiMaria, I mean this is the guy they bought, they surely has some plans on how to play them.
 
Sky1981 said:
The thing about Moyes and LVG that irks me to no end is that they purchased their players and don't know where to play them.

Moyes was clueless as to where to play Fellaini, LVG was clueless on how to utilize BFS/MS/DiMaria, I mean this is the guy they bought, they surely has some plans on how to play them.
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Agree with that. I think to a certain extent we've seen something similar with Jose and Pogba. This was a player well known to be excellent in a 3 man midfield. We'd seen him struggle for France as a double pivot. Then he was bought and played as a double pivot, and criticised for his tactical indiscipline.
 
You know what? People don't understand a Jose season. It's different to how we were under Sir Alex. We started weak and ended strong. It's the opposite with Jose: he starts strong and ends weak. This is true from hit first stint at Chelsea. They caught us a bit unawares with how fast they were out of the blocks. And it's true of 2014/15. Everyone can recognise how good they were at the start of that season and how they ground out games towards the end.

I ran the numbers for the first half of this PL season compared to the second half. We scored 41 goals in the first 19 games, compared to 27 in the final 19. We scored 4 goals in 6 games in the opening half and didn't manage it in a single game in the closing half. We also failed to score in 6 games in the last half of the season; this was only the case in 3 games in the initial half of the season.

In summary, I think people are looking too much at the recent games to judge whether or not we can play good football under Mourinho. Also, I think, if we want grounds for positivity, we can easily look to our games before January. And it's a bit unfair to judge Jose on the latter half of the season since he's always been a slow finisher; did we judge Sir Alex for his slow starts?
 
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Were any other manager to deliver the season and performances we've have just had, with the playing squad we've got, I think they'd be getting their P45. The FA Cup defeat, like the CL exit, isn't the issue - it's the largely clueless manner in which we're playing, the confused, stuttering and in some cases joyless performances. I'm not sure I want to see the arrival of more expensive signings to throw into a system and style that hasn't been convincing. I've said on this forum recently that runners up in the EPL with the FA Cup would've been progression, and I fully accept that one game shouldn't turn that on its head - but I'm not convinced we're good enough to equal a 2nd place finish next season, never mind challenge for a title. Two seasons and a lot of funding sunk, we should be able to see something taking shape by now right?
 
There another thing irks me. Do we have robust scouting network and transfer policy? It seems many good affordable players entered in the market in last 4-5 years and we just didn't make any effort. Market is now crazy and we look desperate.
 
And another thing...and may be I am reading completely wrong. Is jose on some kind of medication? Because he is no longer a man 3 years ago. He doesn't groom himself minimum, his eye contact changed, mood swings, always grumpy.

It seems he regains his composure. But the pressure is taking toll. Give him another year and start scouting new manager now.
 
Son Of Sam said:
If Jose leaves, United go back to 5th/6th position. That Jose got this hapless squad to a 2nd position is a testament to his managerial acumen.

We should get rid of Jose & hire Pochettino who has won absolutely nothing(with a better squad)? Some of you people are either trolling or have no business contributing to a football discourse.

The only manager I would have instead of Jose is Pep. Pep can’t come to United so I hope Jose gets another 3 year contract. He’s made us competitive. The board should release more funds to purchase more quality players.

The back 5 in the cup final were all Fergie’s purchases - the newest of them was as far back as 7 years ago. In that period, City have changed each position in their defence about 3 times. We are lagging behind in squad development.
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This idea that Poch has a better squad is absolutely nonsense. If he does have a better squad after Mourinho has spent 300+ million that is an absolutely massive failure.
 
simonhch said:
Agree with that. I think to a certain extent we've seen something similar with Jose and Pogba. This was a player well known to be excellent in a 3 man midfield. We'd seen him struggle for France as a double pivot. Then he was bought and played as a double pivot, and criticised for his tactical indiscipline.
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That too, but at least he's playing him.

LVG/Moyes straight out benched their main signing.
 
Wumminator said:
This idea that Poch has a better squad is absolutely nonsense. If he does have a better squad after Mourinho has spent 300+ million that is an absolutely massive failure.
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He doesn't have a better squad, but he's not fairing any better than us.

You may have a point if the situation is reversed and we're 4th while Tottenham is 2nd. At this rate each team is about par position wise.

City : Outspend us + better manager 1st
United : Spent 300M 2nd
Liverpool : Good manager, Salah, 3rd
Poch : good manager, Kane/Alli 4th

Other than City nobody's punching above their weight this season. Everyone's is on par according to wages/spending/etc with a few points swing.
 
Sky1981 said:
He doesn't have a better squad, but he's not fairing any better than us.

You may have a point if the situation is reversed and we're 4th while Tottenham is 2nd. At this rate each team is about par position wise.

City : Outspend us + better manager 1st
United : Spent 300M 2nd
Liverpool : Good manager, Salah, 3rd
Poch : good manager, Kane/Alli 4th

Other than City nobody's punching above their weight this season. Everyone's is on par according to wages/spending/etc with a few points swing.
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Spurs finished third and since Mourinho has come in they have spent literally 200 million pounds less in net spend. We finished four points ahead of them.
 
Sky1981 said:
He doesn't have a better squad, but he's not fairing any better than us.

You may have a point if the situation is reversed and we're 4th while Tottenham is 2nd. At this rate each team is about par position wise.

City : Outspend us + better manager 1st
United : Spent 300M 2nd
Liverpool : Good manager, Salah, 3rd
Poch : good manager, Kane/Alli 4th

Other than City nobody's punching above their weight this season. Everyone's is on par according to wages/spending/etc with a few points swing.
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Cant really just ignore liverpool making the CL final by hammering every team they've faced, can you? Or the fact that Spurs have basically peanuts to spend compared to us. Yeah on paper finishing 2nd/3rd/4th is where we should each finish respectively so that's fine, but football isnt played on paper and watching the teams theres a huge gap in the actual quality of performances. Position wise, yeah sure you can say we're about par. But the actual performances, we look awful and grind out results while others more just struggle for consistency or that bit more quality to be more consistent or be able to grind it out when it goes poorly. Big difference in playing well and occasionally being able to grind it out, compared to always grinding it out and very rarely actually playing well.
 
Son Of Sam said:
If Jose leaves, United go back to 5th/6th position. That Jose got this hapless squad to a 2nd position is a testament to his managerial acumen.

We should get rid of Jose & hire Pochettino who has won absolutely nothing(with a better squad)? Some of you people are either trolling or have no business contributing to a football discourse.

The only manager I would have instead of Jose is Pep. Pep can’t come to United so I hope Jose gets another 3 year contract. He’s made us competitive. The board should release more funds to purchase more quality players.

The back 5 in the cup final were all Fergie’s purchases - the newest of them was as far back as 7 years ago. In that period, City have changed each position in their defence about 3 times. We are lagging behind in squad development.
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Hes had two seasons to get rid of Fergie players. Wont play the defenders he bought.
 
With only one world class player I can't see us win the league next season.. It's shame that 99% of the squad is either average players or players with talent that might be good or flop.

Pogba is a good example of overrated player. Without Pirlo and Vidal at Juve he would' t have looked as good. At that time Juve was also the only team in Italy that was good.
 
goober88 said:
It took me a while to realise it but what you people have done is whined and whined to the point where you've convinced yourself that the only way for us to win is to play attacking football and not Jose-ball; that the only progress, therefore, is attacking football, which means, of course, that Jose's football is not progress; consequently, there is no hope under Jose, and that Jose must leave.

It's impressive what emotional trauma can do to a man. You have really distorted things in your anguish. It's all bullshit. We can win playing Jose's way. See all his career, Chelsea last season and Leicester playing the year before. Football fans can't look past the last game when it comes to judging a player and they can't look past the current season when it comes to judging what works. Man City were very attacking this season so that's the only way to win.
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Yep, playing Jose's way got us knocked out against Sevilla at home in CL. Emotional trauma, right.

Some football fans can't look past the game, and some football fans have their eyes stuck in the pages of history of someone who has never been the same since a particular stint at a particular club "broke" him.
 
McGrathsipan said:
Hes had two seasons to get rid of Fergie players. Wont play the defenders he bought.
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Exactly, so what’s the strategy? Not everyone wants to play for us, not everyone wants to play for Mourinho - that’s accepted. But if Jose’s as clever and insightful as his salary and bravado suggest, why can’t we improve the side via coaching, an almost unrivalled transfer budget every season and playing to the strengths of our existing squad resources?
 
I miss the old United as you do. I miss the glorious nights as you do. But, do you know what I miss the most?? The players that fights for this shirt and for this stadium. That the thing that makes me sad. The Wes Browns, the Butts, the Fletchers. Not to mentions the Keanes, Vidic, Scholes, etc.
Where is the manager that will make a team that is feared by the rest of the country?
 
Son Of Sam said:
If Jose leaves, United go back to 5th/6th position. That Jose got this hapless squad to a 2nd position is a testament to his managerial acumen.

We should get rid of Jose & hire Pochettino who has won absolutely nothing(with a better squad)? Some of you people are either trolling or have no business contributing to a football discourse.

The only manager I would have instead of Jose is Pep. Pep can’t come to United so I hope Jose gets another 3 year contract. He’s made us competitive. The board should release more funds to purchase more quality players.

The back 5 in the cup final were all Fergie’s purchases - the newest of them was as far back as 7 years ago. In that period, City have changed each position in their defence about 3 times. We are lagging behind in squad development.
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Load if rubbish.

The back 5 is on him, he’s spunked £80m on Lindelof and Bailly and for one reason or another both rarely make the squad.

He bought and sold Mkhit, Zlatan got another years contract and made 1 appearance and he’s Pogba signed for £90m hasn’t worked, his transfers have been shite.

‘The board should free up more funds’ what do he can spunk another 250m down the drain.
 
Castia said:
Load if rubbish.

The back 5 is on him, he’s spunked £80m on Lindelof and Bailly and for one reason or another both rarely make the squad.

He bought and sold Mkhit, Zlatan got another years contract and made 1 appearance and he’s Pogba signed for £90m hasn’t worked, his transfers have been shite.

‘The board should free up more funds’ what do he can spunk another 250m down the drain.
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This is a hilariously bullshit post.
 
McGrathsipan said:
Hes had two seasons to get rid of Fergie players. Wont play the defenders he bought.
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His reason for not playing Bailly is strange. Southgate made clear smalling is not part of his plan. Yet jose gave reason he benched bailly so that smalling and others will get a go at world cup.

Harerra, smalling, lukaku are mediocre players and jose rely upon them. These guys are not going to take the team to next level.
 
Tony247 said:
His reason for not playing Bailly is strange. Southgate made clear smalling is not part of his plan. Yet jose gave reason he benched bailly so that smalling and others will get a go at world cup.

Harerra, smalling, lukaku are mediocre players and jose rely upon them. These guys are not going to take the team to next level.
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Lukaku is not mediocre. Herrera is a bit lightweight but versatile enough to keep. I’m hoping Mike Smalling kicks on to try and earn an England recall for the Euros.
 
Might be unrelated, but if Jose did shut down his instagram account because of fan abuse (despite the official leak claiming that he didn't do it because of that), its' pretty shameful, no matter what his faults are. I can imagine the type of comments he probably received from internet managers.
 
goober88 said:
You know what? People don't understand a Jose season. It's different to how we were under Sir Alex. We started weak and ended strong. It's the opposite with Jose: he starts strong and ends weak. This is true from hit first stint at Chelsea. They caught us a bit unawares with how fast they were out of the blocks. And it's true of 2014/15. Everyone can recognise how good they were at the start of that season and how they ground out games towards the end.

I ran the numbers for the first half of this PL season compared to the second half. We scored 41 goals in the first 19 games, compared to 27 in the final 19. We scored 4 goals in 6 games in the opening half and didn't manage it in a single game in the closing half. We also failed to score in 6 games in the last half of the season; this was only the case in 3 games in the initial half of the season.

In summary, I think people are looking too much at the recent games to judge whether or not we can play good football under Mourinho. Also, I think, if we want grounds for positivity, we can easily look to our games before January. And it's a bit unfair to judge Jose on the latter half of the season since he's always been a slow finisher; did we judge Sir Alex for his slow starts?
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But you do realise the important things are decided in the second half of the season?
 
Castia said:
Load if rubbish.

The back 5 is on him, he’s spunked £80m on Lindelof and Bailly and for one reason or another both rarely make the squad.

He bought and sold Mkhit, Zlatan got another years contract and made 1 appearance and he’s Pogba signed for £90m hasn’t worked, his transfers have been shite.

‘The board should free up more funds’ what do he can spunk another 250m down the drain.
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100% agree with this. I wouldnt give this guy another dollar to spend. Lindelof and Bailly nowhere to be seen. Instead we continue with calamity Jane. Shaw shunned, Martial shunned. The outdated system. Dont give him anything and tell him to get on with the job and stop bit*ching about how much city spent on fullbacks
 
bosnian_red said:
Cant really just ignore liverpool making the CL final by hammering every team they've faced, can you? Or the fact that Spurs have basically peanuts to spend compared to us. Yeah on paper finishing 2nd/3rd/4th is where we should each finish respectively so that's fine, but football isnt played on paper and watching the teams theres a huge gap in the actual quality of performances. Position wise, yeah sure you can say we're about par. But the actual performances, we look awful and grind out results while others more just struggle for consistency or that bit more quality to be more consistent or be able to grind it out when it goes poorly. Big difference in playing well and occasionally being able to grind it out, compared to always grinding it out and very rarely actually playing well.
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Football is played on the pitch. But the tables are written on paper.

At the end of the day title is given based on how the table stands. Not on how good you mezmerised the jury
 
red4ever 79 said:
100% agree with this. I wouldnt give this guy another dollar to spend. Lindelof and Bailly nowhere to be seen. Instead we continue with calamity Jane. Shaw shunned, Martial shunned. The outdated system. Dont give him anything and tell him to get on with the job and stop bit*ching about how much city spent on fullbacks
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Yeah lets go into next season with aged wingers at full back because red4ever is a little upset at big bad Jose :rolleyes:
 
Andersons Dietician said:
What if you come across DDG in goal and a very good Defense? So of course you can have top players, playing attacking creative football and not be high scoring through out the years with Fergie we’ve been that team. We’ve put loads of people to the sword and absolutely battered them and only won games by a goal or even worse drawn. Games against Blackburn and Brad Friedel come to mind when we’d rip them open and lay siege to their goal only to come away with a narrow win or draw.

So no your assertation I’m sorry but it’s a little foolish. You can be attacking and score no goals. The goal tally isn’t the only thing that determines if you’re a good attacking team or not.
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Dude thats one game not an entire seaspn. You're really stretching logic to justify Spurs as an attacking team
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Spurs are an attack minded team. That's obvious just from watching them.
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An attacking minded team with an attack minded coach with the best striker in the league and 2nd best attacking mid? With 6 more goals than us....and we're defensive and shit. Doesn't add up
 
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