Wimbledon 2012

Is it anti sport to see Spain win 3 major world tournaments in a row? To see Federer reach his 8th Wimbledon final? To see Tyson decimate boxing? To see Tiger Woods play Golf?

To witness any man dominate a sport, to be THAT fecking good, is not something you see often. There are precious few moments in history when that happens. Federer is the best I've seen, and some say the best ever. Frankly, I just enjoy being part of this moment in history where 'The Best' is playing 'At his best'. And that, logically, extends to any other sport. In theory the thought of one man winning everything sounds boring, but that doesn't actually happen does it? No-one wins EVERYTHING. But on the big stages, damn fecking straight I want the best in the world to show what they can do. Who wouldn't?

Anti-Sport...

That's so completely opposite to my own take on sport.

I'd kind of assumed the way I watched sports was the norm but perhaps not?

Basically, my allegiances are as follows:

1. Manchester United - the only team/player I actively support
2. Nationality - whichever team/player is Irish and/or from the region of Ireland I was brought up in
3. The underdog - whoever is not the favourite in any given encounter

NOTE: 2 and 3 are almost always interchangeable

The waters muddy a bit when I want to watch the likes of Liverpool get creamed by better teams but that's not about "supporting" anyone, so much as good old-fashioned spite.
 
So true. Imagine the plaudits he would have (deservedly) have gotten.

As for Federer, have you seen many better second serves? I find it amazing how he manages to get free points even on his second.

Also, I don't think the final is a forgone conclusion at all as some are suggesting. Despite today, it doesn't change the fact that Federer is 30, and no matter who he plays it will be a quality player capable of beating him.

It was less of a problem (the nerves) for him in that last set given how good his second serve is. It's a great thing to fall back on.

Same, really. He'll have the Tsonga game from last year in his mind, surely. That's assuming it is Tsonga. We'll have to wait and see. He's quality to watch when he turns up.
 
It was less of a problem (the nerves) for him in that last set given how good his second serve is. It's a great thing to fall back on.

Same, really. He'll have the Tsonga game from last year in his mind, surely. That's assuming it is Tsonga. We'll have to wait and see. He's quality to watch when he turns up.

Yup. On his day Tsonga can beat anyone. His talent is phenomenal. Had his temperament been better he'd have a few grandslams to his name, easily.
 
That's so completely opposite to my own take on sport.

I'd kind of assumed the way I watched sports was the norm but perhaps not?

Basically, my allegiances are as follows:

1. Manchester United - the only team/player I actively support
2. Nationality - whichever team/player is Irish and/or from the region of Ireland I was brought up in
3. The underdog - whoever is not the favourite in any given encounter

NOTE: 2 and 3 are almost always interchangeable

The waters muddy a bit when I want to watch the likes of Liverpool get creamed by better teams but that's not about "supporting" anyone, so much as good old-fashioned spite.

I can't speak for everyone! But me and my friends have always enjoyed sports this way when we get together.

1 and 2 would be the same as me, and apart from those weird folk who hate their country I would assume it was the same for the majority of people. But I just don't get the 'Underdog' thing, like, it's nice to see the underdog raise his game I guess. But when you are on the cusp of witnessing history, and seeing someone good enough to do things that others can't, does part of you not want to see that in full flow? As opposed to just seeing someone who should be great not living up to expectations.
 
Murrays looking up for it. He's had a couple of fantastic shots in this game. Break point.
 
Actually I should probably expand on that... I do like to see an Underdog in a lot situations, say Greece winning the Euro, I cheered that shit on... but right now if England don't win the next World Cup I would rather Spain did than a 'not as good' team. (Maybe not the best example since Spain aren't exactly likeable but you get what I mean)

When I think I'm witnessing something special I like to cheer it on for as long as it can last.
 
My guess the first two are the same for most people (who they support and those of the same nationality). Regarding matches where none of the two are involved, I tend to chose a favorite of mine based on style or like-ability or something I appreciate in them whilst hoping it will be a close and entertaining contest.
 
I don't like Murray, or at least the way he comes across in just about interview or TV apperance ever, but can't help supporting him when his backs up against the wall, it's just 'cause he's Scottish. Never bothered much if Tim Henman won or lost, and he seemed a much nicer chap.

Obviously same does not apply for Rangers in Europe.
 
I said Tsonga at his best would win this but he's started poorly. His battle, as usual, is within his own mind.
 
I can't speak for everyone! But me and my friends have always enjoyed sports this way when we get together.

1 and 2 would be the same as me, and apart from those weird folk who hate their country I would assume it was the same for the majority of people. But I just don't get the 'Underdog' thing, like, it's nice to see the underdog raise his game I guess. But when you are on the cusp of witnessing history, and seeing someone good enough to do things that others can't, does part of you not want to see that in full flow? As opposed to just seeing someone who should be great not living up to expectations.

I sort of get that with genuinely historic moments. There was a part of me that wanted Spain to win the Euros so I could bore my grand-children with stories about going to games which featured members of the Spanish team that won three major trophies in a row. It wasn't enough to get past the underdog thing though. I ended up rooting for Italy in the final.

Maybe it's down to your nationality? As an Irishman I've grown up supporting the underdogs in almost every sport I watched. Perhaps I assumed that mentality was shared by all sports fans but it really only applies to Irish sports fans?
 
I sort of get that with genuinely historic moments. There was a part of me that wanted Spain to win the Euros so I could bore my grand-children with stories about going to games which featured members of the Spanish team that won three major trophies in a row. It wasn't enough to get past the underdog thing though. I ended up rooting for Italy in the final.

Maybe it's down to your nationality? As an Irishman I've grown up supporting the underdogs in almost every sport I watched. Perhaps I assumed that mentality was shared by all sports fans but it really only applies to Irish sports fans?

Well I dunno, like I said I was just thinking purely in the 'Watching the best ever' sorta way. I did cheer on Greece in the Euros so I'm not entirely opposed to the underdogs... probably could have clarified that sooner!
 
Also, is that part of Wimbledon always going to be called "Henman Hill"?
 
They also call it Murrays mound or mountain or something.

:lol:

No, just no!

He's playing well so far to be fair.

I'm not sure who I prefer Federer to play. Tsonga is mentally weaker of the two so I think him.
 
BBC exploding warm british cum all over the screen anytime Murray does something good.
 
They also call it Murrays mound or mountain or something.

Yeah, Murray Field, isn't it? That's the last thing I heard it being called. Gay...

I always thought that, if they had to persist with something cringe-worthy, they should've labelled it "Mt. Murray".
 
Yup. On his day Tsonga can beat anyone. His talent is phenomenal. Had his temperament been better he'd have a few grandslams to his name, easily.

I'm expecting Tsonga to win Wimbledon, but I'm hoping Federer will come through with another performance like today to win it.
 
Come on Tsonga get your finger out. I'm a Brit but can't stand Murray. Also I think Roger will find it easier to beat Tsonga than Murray and I desperately want Roger to win.
 
If we finally get independence in 2014 will the BBC stop bumming Murray?

Don't the Scottish National party still want to be "British" culturally in the same way Norweigen and Swedish are "Scandanavian" though?
 
England's brave Andy Murray
 
Don't the Scottish National party still want to be "British" culturally in the same way Norweigen and Swedish are "Scandanavian" though?

They do but it's a weak case really, most of the reason we want independence here is for cultural reasons and political differences with them dirty English. We will be no more culturally linked than we are with Ireland. Once we are socially and economically independent you get the feeling public opinion might be less with him.

At least the union jack waving, royal wedding watching Wimbledon fans might give less of a shit at least, and those Brits who already watch Murray matches as a neutral will get some relief.
 
Love Tsonga, such a charismatic person..lovely smile as well. Always comes across as a bloke you'd love to have a drink with
 
I don't understand all the Murray hate. And that goes for the idea that he's an uncharismatic bore, too. Is it necessary to have a constant moronic smile on your face to be considered a likeable person these days?

So what if he doesn't have a warm and bubbly personality? I find that most interesting people don't.

I think a lot of the hate has something to do with anti-Scottish sentiment.
 
Nothing more humiliating that getting your arse whooped by a Brit in a semi final of a sporting tournament.
 
Murray's serving has been surprisingly excellent.

Tsonga is putting in a woeful performance. Not worthy of a Wimbledon semi finalist so far.
 
Tsonga now in the driving seat in the third set.