So this is what Joaquin Phoenix is up to nowadays.
Wimbledon 2010
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he got an official warning by the umpire because of cheating, what more proof do you want? Nadal asked after the match if something happened answered like "oh no it was nothing" or something like that.
cause he got a warning for code violation maybe?
No doubt about that, their Head to head record alone tells that story.
As for Federers actions, come off it you must be joking, whenever hes losing or in trouble whatever he starts cursing at the umpires, claiming Hawkeye is a fix (wimbledon 08 final when he was losing unsurprisingly) and generally finding every excuse under the sun as to why hes not winning, if thats him cleaning up his act god help us, hes one of the worst on court complainers when things arnt going his way....today was the first time ive ever even see Nadal get angry at an umpire and arguably he had every right to, Federers at it all the time when things aint going his way.
uhm, I haven't said Federer is perfect have I? Federer was dragged in the conversation not by me. He didn't play today, Nadal did. Federer may have a fair share of cursing and argument with the umpires, but that I don't thikn affects his opponent game, on the contrary it often affects his - in a negative way especially in the past. He does not try to ice his opponent with every dirty trick as Nadal does.
You guys just compile a list I am sure we're gonna have a showdown next Sunday. The tosser calls me up every time Nadal drops a set or Fed wins. What a loser.
Was that when he started losing by any chance?i remember it well, typical Federer really, as soon as things started going wrong it became everyone else fault and his behaviour reverted to type ie arrogance rudeness and plain bad sportsmanship.
haha exactly. I remember him getting frustrated in the Del Potro game last year and blaming the umpire, linesman, hawk eye everything.
Oh and one of his quotes from that match for Mr. Enigma:
The guy is taking like 10 seconds every time, don't you have any rules for this? And don't tell me to be quiet, If I want to speak, I'll speak. I don't give a fu*k."
Gosh i wish Nadal was that classy
Pathetic? Where's the mocking part because I have missed it? I think he's spot on. Novak has the same antics as Nadal when it comes to MTO.
Nadal did the same to Murray at the AO like Djokovic to Roddick.
And since you mentioned Roddick, how many times has he taken a medical timeout?
As for Federer being a sportsman I think those awards show up for it.
I wouldn't put him in the first spot myself all those years - there are better choises like Blake and Haas but I guess he has it because of the ammount of spotlight.
Oh I'm sorry. I guess you have to be superman to play a sport. I mean it's a bloody disgrace Djokovic got injured or fell ill. How dare he. The bloody cheek
Hold on you quoted that part of my post that was referring to your comments on Nadal feigning injury ala cheating, a minute ago you were telling me he was feigning injury and that thus turned the match in his favour but now your avoiding that completely.....why would that be? because your argument on that score doesn’t go beyond "well he played well and won the last 2 sets so erm he must have faked it".
As for the umpire, i say again as the commentators did at the time how can it be proven exactly? it cant be, its the sort of thing thats gone on for years according to Boris becker (make of that what you will) so whos to say if Federer had a few match 'tips' during matches via one of his 'bathroom breaks'? who knows, thats just speculation and can never be proven, as i say i don’t think neither you or i are in a position to label someone a cheat whatsoever especially given so little knowledge of the situations,.
But seeing as you’ve gone all quiet on the injury timeouts ill take that as progress on that front at least.
So hold on, telling an umpire to feck off, cursing generally at everyone and anything in sight when things arnt going well, claiming the hawkeye system was a fix during the 08 wimbldon final is all acceptable compared to Nadal taking an injury time out or supposedly having his uncle shout down some encouragment (neither you or me know what if anything was said anyway) during the game?
Either way i know which behaviour id consider less sporting.
Christ Enigma!
Telling your fellow peers to just get out of here if they aren't fit enough is real classy isn't it?
Telling your fellow peers to just get out of here if they aren't fit enough is real classy isn't it?
And Fed can just never credit his opponents can he?
When reminded yesterday of their head-to-head record, Federer acknowledged that Murray was "a good player" but added: "Without taking anything away from him, I think a few times I wasn't at my very, very best. In Dubai I had just came back from mono [glandular fever]. We had some close matches where I thought I was in control and I ended up giving the match away by making errors.
When reminded yesterday of their head-to-head record, Federer acknowledged that Murray was "a good player" but added: "Without taking anything away from him, I think a few times I wasn't at my very, very best. In Dubai I had just came back from mono [glandular fever]. We had some close matches where I thought I was in control and I ended up giving the match away by making errors.
Did you not hear him? It's spot on!
There he was completely right to complain. Delpo gave a good long wait until he challenged. In the rulebook you are nt allowed to do that. However Federer should (and I think he was) rightfully warned for foul language.
Give it up wr8 the guy is completely blinded. Its a bit like JT " you do no wrong"
Uhm, I've already said numerous times that I don't think Nadal was injured and called the trainer to ice his opponent? Mac, Becker and Carillo said exactly the same in the course of the match. Should I repeat myself?Hold on you quoted that part of my post that was referring to your comments on Nadal feigning injury ala cheating, a minute ago you were telling me he was feigning injury and that thus turned the match in his favour but now your avoiding that completely.....why would that be? because your argument on that score doesn’t go beyond "well he played well and won the last 2 sets so erm he must have faked it".
As for the umpire, i say again as the commentators did at the time how can it be proven exactly? it cant be, its the sort of thing thats gone on for years according to Boris becker (make of that what you will) so whos to say if Federer had a few match 'tips' during matches via one of his 'bathroom breaks'? who knows, thats just speculation and can never be proven, as i say i don’t think neither you or i are in a position to label someone a cheat whatsoever especially given so little knowledge of the situations,.
But seeing as you’ve gone all quiet on the injury timeouts ill take that as progress on that front at least.
I'm not saying it's acceptable, but give me an example of when Federer took a timeout or got on court coaching? Cursing is not acceptable, you are saying that Nadal doesn't curse?
Let me ask you something who are the two players constantly complaining about doping tests and congested schedule since you mentioned the Hawkeye.
Wow. A warning. Wow.
Even better considering just a day or 2 ago Serena got a $10,000 fine and was being threatened with all sorts of things for abusing a chair umpire.
And btw Fed did the SAME thing in the match. He challenged very very late in the tie break so he gives as good as he gets
Federer is not an angel. Have I said that anywhere? I don't consider him as the best sportsman in tennis. He himslef had some issues over the years. What that has to do with Nadal cheating on court today?
Since all Nadal fanboys opened the subject of Federer being even less classy than Nadal I think there are some people that give the sportsman award that would disagree.
Just accept your boy cheated today and lets move on.
then he shouldn't be allowed to challenge. Neither should have been Delpo. I'm not excusing him for his antics like you are with your boy.
Uhm, I've already said numerous times that I don't think Nadal was injured and called the trainer to ice his opponent? Mac, Becker and Carillo said exactly the same in the course of the match. Should I repeat myself?
Yeah and they also said he seems to be struggling physically. But like you often do you choose to hear what you want to hear.
Yes you are absolutely right. Everyone else is wrong.
Petz called the trainer more times than Nadal but he was absolutely not cheating. No Sireee Bob!
they who they? I though only Becker has said something like that, after the match?
Castle had already sarcastically said "yeh, that thigh is REALLLLY affecting him..." On what basis do you think that the injury was affecting him?
And what exactly injury was affecting him? Was it the arm, or the thigh?
Petz had played tedious fivesetters before that, somebody in the thread said that he could barely move, even if he did it on purpose to cheat, then both are cheaters I agree.
Being injured is cheating?
Seriously I have problems with my left arm for like past 3 months. Its paining right now as well. I go to see the doc once in a while when it gets unbearable but still can do weights as good as if not better than anyone else in the gym.
And about that coaching violation, do you even know what his uncle or anyone from the coaching staff said?
let me give an example of what somebody else in the thread said. Nadal is the fittest guy on tour. Everyone who goes for 5 sets with him is likely to lose because he's fitter.
When he's the fittest guy on tour, why does he always want a medical timeout when he loses? Just answer me that?
Hmm that with the weights is a good example. If you are not injured you lift, lets say 100. When you are injured and should be tired after 3 hours in the gym, how can you serve with the same speed, if not better(in your case lift the same weight) and run with the same speed like it was set 1?
About the coaching violation - why would I need to know that? There's umpire right there that heard what is said and punished Nadal for that.
He got called out for that, are you realistically going to argue that he did no wrong?
Jesus!
He felt a muscle there or something like that. We've seen it countless times in football players often go back for treatment and come back on.
And as for him running around its called adrenaline rush or simply the case of being enraged?
Even after 3 hours and with an injured arm I'd still do 120 as compared to 100 earlier if say I am pissed about something or just a measure of taking the frustration out.
Funny how Rooney going reckless and chasing around at the end when we are losing never seems odd to you.
Where did I say he do no wrong? If the umpire felt his coach was violating a conduct he gave a warning. End of story.
Are you seriously comparing football to tennis?
If there are countless of times then why doesn't Federer, Roddick etc do that everytime they are in a losing situation?
Why is Nadal only doing it when he loses? There are some that are well known for doing that namely Nadal and Djokovic.
Any of those can or you can say might be injured by some point but crying wolf every match they lose you could never know if that is the case.
Why didn't Isner and Mahut take a single timeout for the 7 hours they played? Isner could barely move in the end.
Then he cheated end of story.
Uhmm, what that has to do with Nadal cheating today? Federer stated that he was feeling ill and he didn't know the reason for that, then he stated he was diagnozed with mono.
Fact is he wasn't the same in 2008, it was clear that he was not at the same level as in 2007. You are comparing this situation to Nadals when he's won 4 titles on the trot?
Not really. When 1 week down the line we say something bad about Fed, he will be like "But what about Nadal cheating and what about Code Violation blah blah"
No Mr. Enigma
We are not comparing football to tennis I am just giving you an example as to how certain difficult situations get the best out of us in a manner that rosy days never could.
So you are technically asking as to why Nadal and Djokovic get injured while Federer or Mahut or Isner don't? We all know Nadal has a very physical style of playing and its but obvious he'll wear himself out more than the rest.
I don't believe your he only does it when he is losing crap. Prove it with the stats or I'll just assume he only gets in a spot of bother when he is injured.
For fecks sake, give it a rest. If me accepting that he cheated makes you happy then so be it. Although still how is a coaching warning called as cheating is beyond me. But for your sake I'd say it he cheated.
I know it's amusing but Nadal was called out for cheating - yes if you don't believe that what exactly what uncle TOny was doing and got caught.
No Mr. Enigma
We are not comparing football to tennis I am just giving you an example as to how certain difficult situations get the best out of us in a manner that rosy days never could.
So you are technically asking as to why Nadal and Djokovic get injured while Federer or Mahut or Isner don't? We all know Nadal has a very physical style of playing and its but obvious he'll wear himself out more than the rest.
I don't believe your he only does it when he is losing crap. Prove it with the stats or I'll just assume he only gets in a spot of bother when he is injured.
For fecks sake, give it a rest. If me accepting that he cheated makes you happy then so be it.
No, you missed my point. I asked you why does Nadal only take MTO when he's trailing. Why never when winning? Or he only injures himself when he's losing?
Serving 130+ for 7 hours is not physical? Have you played tennis?
Uhm, what's to prove, tell me last time Nadal lost in slam and didn't took a MTO.
And coaching on court is banned, there are multiple reasons for that. When you go out there you are on your own, or you should be. You shouldn't get outside information how to play and the opponent weaknesses.
I know it's amusing but Nadal was called out for cheating - yes if you don't believe that what exactly what uncle TOny was doing and got caught.
No, you missed my point. I asked you why does Nadal only take MTO when he's trailing. Why never when winning? Or he only injures himself when he's losing?
Serving 130+ for 3 hours is not physical? Have you played tennis?
Uhm, what's to prove, tell me last time Nadal lost in slam and didn't took a MTO.
And coaching on court is banned, there are multiple reasons for that. When you go out there you are on your own, or you should be. You shouldn't get outside information how to play and the opponent weaknesses.
ffs!
I can't be arsed to look out for all the slam defeats let along the ones in which he took MTO.
Serving 130+ is physical but those guys aren't as worn out as Nadal? Get the point. Its really simple injuries are unfortunate and unpredictable and sadly some guys are more prone to it than others. Why that happens - feck knows!
I think you missed my point. Nadal only ends up in a losing situations only when he isn't fully fit
ffs!
I can't be arsed to look out for all the slam defeats let along the ones in which he took MTO.
Serving 130+ is physical but those guys aren't as worn out as Nadal? Get the point. Its really simple injuries are unfortunate and unpredictable and sadly some guys are more prone to it than others. Why that happens - feck knows!
I think you missed my point. Nadal only ends up in a losing situations only when he isn't fully fit
You mean for 7 hours they aren't worn out as Nadal, who is the fittest on tour and citing" with perfect knees" just before Wimbey?
Nadal did the same injury feint and on court coaching double in 08 Hamburg against Federer in the final.
And yes, I got that - everytimes Nadal loses he's not fit, that's it. That is my original point as well, I'm a bit tired to hear that.
You mean for 7 hours they aren't worn out as Nadal, who is the fittest on tour and citing" with perfect knees" just before Wimbey?
Nadal did the same injury feint and on court coaching double in 08 Hamburg against Federer in the final.
And yes, I got that - everytimes Nadal loses he's not fit, that's it. That is my original point as well, I'm a bit tired to hear that.
He might be the fittest and the due course he is straining himself far too much. Its really not that hard to understand. Arnold Swarzneghharadsew has ridiculous physic yet he is the one most prone to burn out.
Nadal was involved in longer matches when he was winning, he didn't take timeouts in those? He only takes them at the AO, USO, Hamburg, Wimbey etc and all the time - when he's trailing.
So it's okay for you if you are winning, just won the last set via tie break, serving well in the 4th, that your opponent takes a timeout for something he describes as "oh no it was nothing"?
Mahut and Isner could have done that because their match was 99% psychological. They could have took a MTO before the opponent serves, but did they?
Federer may curse brake rackets once in a while when he's losing, but when was the last time he resorted to cheating?
Good god, I'm almost glad to have been cooking and washing up now that I'm reading the ridiculous arguements from Enigma in here!
You mean for 7 hours they aren't worn out as Nadal, who is the fittest on tour and citing" with perfect knees" just before Wimbey?
Nadal did the same injury feint and on court coaching double in 08 Hamburg against Federer in the final.
And yes, I got that - everytimes Nadal loses he's not fit, that's it. That is my original point as well, I'm a bit tired to hear that.
So what do you expect him to do?
"yes my knees are bad, no?. I can't run like I used to, no?"
Ofcourse he's going to say nothing is wrong but he had tendonitis and that is not something that just goes away. Just ask hargreaves. It's natural he's going to have trouble at times. Get over it.
And no Nadal does not blame his defeats on injuries. That loss to Soderling is the only time he partly did and that's cause he and Soderling have history.
Atleast he's not like Federer who blames past defeats on injury.
And yes, I got that - everytimes Nadal loses he's not fit, that's it. That is my original point as well, I'm a bit tired to hear that.
When reminded yesterday of their head-to-head record, Federer acknowledged that Murray was "a good player" but added: "Without taking anything away from him, I think a few times I wasn't at my very, very best. In Dubai I had just came back from mono [glandular fever]. We had some close matches where I thought I was in control and I ended up giving the match away by making errors.
Nadal should take tips from Federer on how not to blame defeats on injuries.
haha, thanks for the laugh.
We are not talking here who said what in the press or about who. We are talking about a certain Nadal who used dirty tactics today in order to win.
He got caught on one of them - one inofficial warning and one official on coaching. He used tactical "injury" to ice the opponent and then win the match.
He's done it before, he'll do it again.
Today has nothing to do with Federer, Djokovic or whoever else if it doesn't include an example of blatant braking of the rules of tennis on court.
I got the Dubai example. He got issues with injuries in 08, so they may have ben fake you say. Then tell me, how many injury timeouts has he taken during 08?
Or a better question when has he cited injury before 08 and how many injury timeouts do you remember Federer or any other tennis player bar Nadal and Djokovic take during an year?
haha, thanks for the laugh.
We are not talking here who said what in the press or about who. We are talking about a certain Nadal who used dirty tactics today in order to win.
He got caught on one of them - one inofficial warning and one official on coaching. He used tactical "injury" to ice the opponent and then win the match.
He's done it before, he'll do it again.
Today has nothing to do with Federer, Djokovic or whoever else if it doesn't include an example of blatant braking of the rules of tennis on court.
I got the Dubai example. He got issues with injuries in 08, so they may have ben fake you say. Then tell me, how many injury timeouts has he taken during 08?
Or a better question when has he cited injury before 08 and how many injury timeouts do you remember Federer or any other tennis player bar Nadal and Djokovic take during an year?
Boo hoo. Just like Federer. Keep crying and whinging about anything and everything
Boo hoo. Just like Federer. Keep crying and whinging about anything and everything
Uhm, Federer did when? Said that he was injured after the match in an interview?
Is your argument based on what Federer said about Murray, that Nadal had not cheated today?
Back onto Murray now he put in another good performance last night managing to keep his service game going into the 3rd game in a row. Did what was needed with little as fuss as possible with a smattering of high quality shots when needed. This is starting to remind me of the way he approached the Australian Open and the way he was moving through the rounds with ease.
He has Querrey in the next round and this will be his first real test of the championship so far and if he gets through it then we can judge how he is going to cope in any further rounds. Compared to some of the other top seeds at the tournament Murray is easing his way through with little fuss or energy expended so far very like the Australian Open.
He has Querrey in the next round and this will be his first real test of the championship so far and if he gets through it then we can judge how he is going to cope in any further rounds. Compared to some of the other top seeds at the tournament Murray is easing his way through with little fuss or energy expended so far very like the Australian Open.
4th round humiliation or loss in the final. That's the only thing Murray does in Slams
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