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Willian at Man Utd?
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Mata is not better in their formation than Pedro. They need pace on the wings and to counterattack. Mata can not do this. bro we were 6th in the EPL, 25 points behind Chelsea. This is the level of our players. Its unheard of that a 6th place team raves about the quality of their players. We may well finish above them after their losses. we'll see.
Nope not miles but my point is sometimes I don't give credit to how good opposition players are. Matic to me was just a solid prem player and certainly not one of Chelsea's stars, yet he arrives here and already looks likes he gonna be one of the first names on the team sheet. Crazy.
Matic was one of the first names on the team sheet at Chelsea, so what's changed?
It's opinion but based on last season, clearly they are. That's fact and the table doesn't lie. Next season hasn't happened yet, so let's wait and see.
Actually it does tend to lie a little when a manager decides to throw the league with a handfull of games remaining.
Read all the post for context. He wasn't one of their stars despite but arrives here and looks like he is going to be one of ours.
If it meant actually having a threat from set pieces now that we are the tallest team, I'd take him.
Nar, he arrives here and looks exactly like he did when he arrived at Chelsea, a top class DM and a class up from JOM. He was first choice there and he'll be first choice here.
There's no difference except that you were used to him at Chelsea, and once you get used to a top DM, they go pretty unnoticed.
....and why did he?
After Zlatan and Rojo's injuries, he felt he didn't quite have enough to risk going full pelt for the EL and the league with such a busy schedule.
But you know that already so I don't quite get the question.
Tbf that doesn't tell the full story at all and is a not something to be used as a measuring tool. United honestly deserved a lot better standings wise. I simply cannot think of a team I've seen that were as snake bitten as United were all of last season. The 25 game unbeaten streak was no fluke but the 12 draws accumulated in that period were beyond explanation and completely bizarre, at times just jaw dropping to the point where you didn't even want to begin thinking about it lol.
Off the top my head of those 12 draws, half of them were easy sure to-be wins which didn't end up materializing for reasons unknown. The bad bounces, unlucky moments, and squandered chances seemed endless. Let's be on the safe side and say just 6 of those 12 draws should have been Ws (even though I can recall an easy 8 which were games United should've won without a doubt), that's 12 points missed out on right there which in any other normal season would've ended in wins. That'd be an 81pt campaign and good enough for 3rd place.
/ standings last year definitely did not capture a fair assessment. Literally twighlight zone levels of misfortune ...
Might be so but given a lot of comments on here, I think a lot underrated him including me which was my point. I do think though our ceiling has lowered significantly and our best players now wouldn't get into previous teams. I think the difference is with Real and Barca is they probably would.
The point is it wouldn't change anything as if you talked to Spurs, City and Chelsea fans, they'd give you a list things that hampered their season too. Kane was injured, Jesus was injured, the costa stuff in January. It's all relative in the other teams results too. Broader speaking we all know we were where we finished over the course of the season. Yes he focused on the EL cause he knew the season was over.
Not sure United need another winger who isn't really a winger.
Like I said above, all fans from respective teams will give you their own account from their teams perspective. The issues are as pertinent to us as is it to others. You need some luck but you'd argue we got it. We were outplayed and somehow won the trophy, we had deflected shot in the final, last minute goals etc. Trust me the teams that happened against will have considered themselves equally unlucky...
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Oh yes, certainly not denying other teams have stretches of misfortune and bad luck throughout a season. But United's lasted unbelievably long all during a key unbeaten streak which any other season would've resulted in easy additional double digit points to the standings.
Put it this way, won't be seeing a stretch like that in a long long time. Was unheard of really.
We've been sixth for the vast majority of the season. Our final position definitely didn't lie.
Agreed, the point difference was what I was making a point about.
Was it feck. You sound like the Arsenal fans we used to mock mercilessly.
Missing chances is not bad luck, it's poor finishing. Injury-wise we've been mid-table in the league; the only really unlucky thing was losing Rojo and Ibrahimovic to very serious injuries at basically the same time but by then our chances in the league were pretty much gone anyway.
We could have easily lost some of these drawn games, too: we had last minute equalizers against Liverpool, Stoke and Everton, for example.
you are ignoring the winsCity Spurs and Liverpool missed. we could still be in 5th/6th placed at the end.
Matic was their 1st choice DM, sure he's not a Hazard type player who will take all the plaudits but that's not his job. Equivalent of Spurs selling Dembele, it just shouldn't happen and is weird from Abramovich.
I dont think he is deluded whatsoever. Our team currently does not have an "Hazard" who can single handedly win you a game. Pogba is the closest to that, but he has so much to prove before he is even considered on Hazard's level. He won't be doing that from CM either.
We need a player like Hazard, my money would be on us getting Bale.
Willian and Pedro would both be walking in our wings. We have noone there on the same level. Mata and Mkhitaryan are too slow to work on the wings for a full season. Martial and Rashford are not wingers.
If youre going to call him deluded, at least get off RAWK first.
We won the Europa League and League cup. Of course we can rave about our players. Winning the Europa League is not easy. We only finished 6th cause Jose was concentrating on that rather than coming 4th and winning nothing. Look at the lineups against Arsenal/Spurs/Palace. You think Mourinho cares about coming 6th? Hell no. We won a trophy and got past the qualifying stages in the Champons league. We were better off than Spurs, Liverpool and City who constantly boast about their invisible runner up medals. What have they got to show for it? Feck all.
As for your other comments... so just because we finished below them, they would have none of our players? That's bizarre. Plenty of big teams sign players from teams below them all the time. We just did it with Lukaku. And you can't tell me that Chelsea didn't want him.
Willian and Pedro wouldn't improve our side. They don't score enough goals. Simple as that.
I agree we need a Bale. A game changer type. But apart from Hazard and maybe Luiz, I don't think I'd have any of Chelsea's players at United if I'm being honest.
Willian and Pedro would easily improve our team. For a start they are both far better than Lingard.
Lingard is a squad player/back up option. It wouldn't be worth forking out 40-50m for one of those players who offer essentially the same thing as Lingard when it comes to tactics.
They're better but not what we need.
Sadly, Lingard is not a "squad player", he starts in European supercup final
That is in fact our problem - too many average players, too few excellent ones (let alone world class level).
Pedro may indeed be not that huge an improvement, but Willian, among other things, is also a good set piece taker (and we have no one to take corners)
fecks sakes. Let's buy him as well. Willian on one wing and Perisic on the other. We can then spend the rest of season wondering why we're still shite.
Top thread this lads.
Sorry but these are b-side comps in my book. These aren't competitions won by sides with players you rave over. Saints and Ajax are average teams and they were our opponents. We came 6th because we kept chocking everytime we had a chance for 4th and when it became apparent that we weren't strong enough to make top 4, THEN Jose decided to throw the league. Don't pretend that it was about the trophy. It was about our failure domestically. I can quote you on Jose saying he NEVER wants to win the Europa because then he is in the wrong standard of competition. Thats what Jose really thinks of the Europa, no matter how much you try and kid yourself that its a big competition win. Its merely a route into CL nowadays.
we were better off than City, Liverpool etc that is true and it also put a big strain on our squad due to the schedule, hence we still have players out.
So, what's your point?
Mourinho said that years ago. Before the CL Qualification was brought into it.
No way was Mourinho gonna choose coming 4th over winning the trophy and getting further in the Champions League stages. That would be stupid as feck. But there is some people out there that believe this rubbish.
Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in...
Custis doesn't have any sort of information on us so extremely unlikely.
Chelsea won't sell. It will make zero sense to them. The player won't even try to force a move as he is happy at Chelsea.
Behave you lot, more chance of us swapping Darmian for Cr7 before 11pm
Custis is claiming that Chelsea are close to signing Mahrez so I guess that's where the story comes from.
Out of interest would people prefer Willian or Mahrez?
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