It's internet speculation the injury, it was an inflamed nerve which can be treated. The rest of the time he's been in the gym and in training so he's been working on his fitness.
William Carvalho
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It's internet speculation the injury, it was an inflamed nerve which can be treated. The rest of the time he's been in the gym and in training so he's been working on his fitness.
Yes, when I see Busquets/Alonso/Khedira/Mikel what really strikes me about those defensive midfielders is their pace. Their magnificent, glacial pace. Fellaini's positioning is fine. Gattuso/De Rossi/Keane/Scholes all 'lacked discipline' and seemed to do ok.
I think he'll get by. Plus, as has been addressed by watching any match comp of his where he isn't injured, Fellaini isn't immobile at all. He covers massive amounts of ground and has a decent top speed, albeit with an ungainly style.
On topic: I think a 3 man midfield of Carvalho/Kroos/Fellaini would be vicious. Nobody would want to be up against that. Carvalho's ability to pick a pass....Kroos's ability to pick a pass... Fellaini and Carvalho's physicality, Fellaini's mop...it'd be great. We'd finally have a central midfield.
They are faster, more disciplined on the pitch and had a better positioning then Fellaini. Gattuso/De Rossi/Keane were fiery characters however their discipline as DM was pretty evident. They were rarely caught out of position and broke the opponents game efficiently. There's a big difference between being a quality DM and someone who can make a nuisance of himself
I think Calvalho/Kroos/Fellaini would be an effective CM.
He's at the end of his contract and Dortmund are interested in Kagawa (a player who had spectacularly failed at OT)....I think that a swap + possible money deal could be on the cards
When do these swap + cash deals actually happen. They are talked about so often and hardly seem to ever happen.
They are rare as one must make sure that the players agree to move to the clubs in question. However I cant see this being an issue for this particular deal. Moving to Manchester United would be the ideal move for Gundogan. We're a top club who desperately need a CM, which tend to make clubs take bigger risks (Gundogan injury). On the other hand a return to Dortmund would re-ignite Kagawa's career. He would probably relish working with the same players/manager who contributed in making him the player he is now.
Billy Oak.
I think trying to fit three new players into a midfield together all at once might be a bad thing though
world cup so short pre season... if we get off to a rocky start whilst they gel then we could be facing another season where we struggle for cl qualification.
bring in a partner for carrick in the summer and if we secure cl football next season then go out and get another one or two midfielders
That should have been done two seasons ago. Moyes is having to deal with the fallout from it not having been done.
Proven quality midfielders don't need time to gel or settle, if it's a youngster coming through fair enough, the problem is here Carrick is getting on a bit now, any injury he sustains it's a month or longer he would be out, fletcher, cleverley can't play the kind of balls he does, so that means rooney dropping deep (again).
So you think it takes no time for midfield partnerships to form? Well fernandino / toure certainly got better as the season progressed
and wasnt veron a proven quality midfielder, kleberson had won a world cup... what about modric in la liga and lets not forget that kagawa has hardly slotted in to our team straight away
its a big risk to bring in 3 midfielders at once with no pl experience and expect them to gel straight away... particularly after a world cup where they will need rest that will impact on the time they have to play together in pre season.
I agree with the poster who said this should have been done a couple of years ago but the reality is it wasnt and as such we need to strengthen but without the added risk of too many changes at once
possibly bringing in someone like carvalho and someone with pl experience say lallana might be a more balanced approach keeping carick, fellaini, fletcher / cleverly as well
If Everton win their game in hand we'll be 7th in the league, desperate times call for desperate measures and given I think we can't really fall lower than this with our squad we don't really have much to lose.
I'm saying it's not always a process of gelling to the degree where it's the season is a write-off because of it, partnerships do improve at time but you are reading too much into it, players are rusty at the start of a season because they've had time off, they need time to get back into the swing of things.
I think the basics of a team doesn't really change, pass and move, pass to feet, you can think "this player prefers to run onto a ball, this one likes it to feet" but everything in football is a case by case basis anyway, you don't automatically decide this player is here making this run at this moment, you look up to play the pass anyway so you can come in and have an impact instantly.
I don't think "gelling" is correct anyway, I think it's confidence of being at a new club, Man Utd is a club where players come and the players welcome them straight away, they feel at home, so it's not as if there is going to be a massive shift in the dressing room, there will be senior players there, new players will be bedded in.
For information, Sporting are playing Porto today, so a chance to watch Carvalho against the best team in Portugal, and one genuinely better than most teams in the PL.
Also a chance to see Mangala and Alex Sandro for anyone who cares.
Also a chance to see Mangala and Alex Sandro for anyone who cares.
Don't think I often saw a player here in Portugal with such great ability at shielding the ball and such great awareness of his surroundings. The gif is a tiny example from today, but from the times I've seen him this season he seems to do it effortlessly all the time. I don't understand why people think a stronger pressing game will kill him, I'd say resisting pressure when on the ball is his greatest strength, far above his defensive ability, in which he lacks some mobility.
He is incredibly talent, he's so calm and composed, him, kroos, gundogan if those 3 were in the midfield, every fans wet dream, after yesterdays performance though... can anyone want to play for united
Was about to post that exact same gif 
.Nevertheless, he could be an important aquisition for United with the way Carrick has been so nonchalant with his performance this season. Good to hear he did well versus Porto. He will gain more recognition at the World cup if he gets the starting role for Portugal, I would imagine.
.Nevertheless, he could be an important aquisition for United with the way Carrick has been so nonchalant with his performance this season. Good to hear he did well versus Porto. He will gain more recognition at the World cup if he gets the starting role for Portugal, I would imagine.I watched the game yesterday and I think of all of my recent case studies of Carvalho, this was the most impressive of all. He was very good on the ball. He used it well, passed it quickly, and beat a man when needed too.
I would definitely like to see him cover a bit more ground though. He rarely passes the halfway line. I suppose we are all looking for our own Yaya, and perhaps Carvalho is not that player. That said, he is a very useful player, although I still feel he is a 3 man midfield player. He is definitely a prospect though.
I would definitely like to see him cover a bit more ground though. He rarely passes the halfway line. I suppose we are all looking for our own Yaya, and perhaps Carvalho is not that player. That said, he is a very useful player, although I still feel he is a 3 man midfield player. He is definitely a prospect though.
@Rozay how does compare against Fernando?
Lovely thought but Moyes will never play three in midfield in a million years.
Yet he played 3 in midfield often at Everton. Thoughts?
Thoughts are that he didn't have Rooney and Persie who he was practically bound to play.
He used Fellaini as a target man, it was a 4-4-1-1 at Everton. The problem isn't in formation anyways, its how he tells them to play. He always needs his players to be drilled to play in a certain way no matter who he has, and he focuses on their defensive work, doesn't encourage free roles, or letting a player do, likes to play it safe, etc.
But with RvP aging and grumbling about a possible unhappiness if he chooses to move on a 3 man midfield is not that extreme of a thought.
Everton played 451 home and away, with the central midfielder pushing on at home.
I think Fernando was also very good. He also seems faster than Carvalho. As a defensive midfielder in a 3 man midfield, Fernando is as good as any out there I think. I believe Carvalho may be able to reach such a level, with potentially greater passing ability too.
Thanks Rozay, i've seen glimpses of Fernando and my impression is that he would suit us better than Carvalho simply he is more mobile especially our midfield with carrick and fellaini lack mobility.
I agree, I'd have no issue with Fernando at the base of our midfield. That said, I think he'd be best in a 3 (as would Carvalho)
William Carvalho is far above Fernando with the ball at his feet. He has much better vision, passing, and dribbling.
Defensively Fernando is on a different level. He reads the defensive game superbly, and is very quick and agile. Up there with the best in the world in my opinion, but that's all he does well, a very specialized job. I don't think it would suit most major teams who will want someone with better ball-playing skills in that position, and only works well in a midfield trio as a lone DM. Carvalho has been playing the same position, but I suspect he's better suited for a 4-2-3-1 or analogous formations, judging by his ability.
Defensively Fernando is on a different level. He reads the defensive game superbly, and is very quick and agile. Up there with the best in the world in my opinion, but that's all he does well, a very specialized job. I don't think it would suit most major teams who will want someone with better ball-playing skills in that position, and only works well in a midfield trio as a lone DM. Carvalho has been playing the same position, but I suspect he's better suited for a 4-2-3-1 or analogous formations, judging by his ability.
He is a target for city according to Di Marzio. One off the list ...
Every time I see a thread like this bumped I wish that we've actually done a deal out of the blue like with Nani, Anderson, Hernandez. It would be a great boost to find out that we've identified our targets early after the mess last year and got deals done.
Unfortunately the calibre of player we want could take a bit of time to snare and they may have better offers. I'm dreading the summer.
Unfortunately the calibre of player we want could take a bit of time to snare and they may have better offers. I'm dreading the summer.
According to one report I read last week we've already begun negotiations on Carvalho with a view to getting the deal done before the WC starts. How much truth there is in that I don't know of course - though it does fit with what Moyes has been saying about trying to get deals done before the WC.
When they have basically already signed Fernando Reges on a free I cannot see that being true...
Januzaj has had a free role on occasions, Mata clearly has a free role and Rooney for most of the season has had a free role. I don't think I've seen Januzaj play it safe once this season either. He wouldn't have brought Januzaj in if he didn't like that kind of player.
he can play cb as well though I believe (seemingly not his best position at the moment but who knows with practice and experience) - and city could do with a regular partner for kompany... not sure he is the right player for that but its not beyond the realms of possibility especially if the likes of mangala, hummles, subotic, benatia go elsewhere or are simply not available.
Has scored tonight for Sporting.
Portugese? Sporting Lisbon? Young? Midfielder? Talented?
Sign him then.
Sign him then.
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