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Anyway, I watched William again against Braga, which was a good game to assess him in with it being reasonably tough opposition.

I think that there is definitely great potential there. I will start with the one thing I'd like to see more of. He seems to patrol a very small circumference on the pitch, and rarely gets himself into other areas of the pitch. I don't know how much of that is down to the instructions he has been given, but I imagine it is something that can be corrected. I just feel that if we were to get him and lay him in a 'midfield two', he'd need to cover more ground so as to not isolate his partner, unless we plan to play two deep lying.

My first response to this was that perhaps he isn't confident enough, but then when he does get involved in the game, you can see that isn't the case. I thought that his ability on the ball was very confident. He has good close control and has a decent passing range, long and short. I'd like to see him impose himself more on the game when his team has the ball, but then again Sporting are a bit crap and the ball is rarely in the midfield anyway.

I wouldn't pay £40m for him, but I do think he has the tools to become one of the top midfielders. A bit more urgency in his game would be nice to see though.
 
Rozay said:
Anyway, I watched William again against Braga, which was a good game to assess him in with it being reasonably tough opposition.

I think that there is definitely great potential there. I will start with the one thing I'd like to see more of. He seems to patrol a very small circumference on the pitch, and rarely gets himself into other areas of the pitch. I don't know how much of that is down to the instructions he has been given, but I imagine it is something that can be corrected. I just feel that if we were to get him and lay him in a 'midfield two', he'd need to cover more ground so as to not isolate his partner, unless we plan to play two deep lying.

My first response to this was that perhaps he isn't confident enough, but then when he does get involved in the game, you can see that isn't the case. I thought that his ability on the ball was very confident. He has good close control and has a decent passing range, long and short. I'd like to see him impose himself more on the game when his team has the ball, but then again Sporting are a bit crap and the ball is rarely in the midfield anyway.

I wouldn't pay £40m for him, but I do think he has the tools to become one of the top midfielders. A bit more urgency in his game would be nice to see though.
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That is something I don't like. He is a type of player that would be perfect fir thr early 2000s.

He is very immobile and does close down opposition. These are big weakbesses, especially with the advancing football with high intensity.
He is basically a Carrick .

He would get done in midfeild, even if he has really good positioning.
 
If we are indeed after him which it does look like, then you'd have to think he's a replacement of sorts for Carrick. I haven't seen anything to suggest his passing is as good but you'd hope he'd get a partner who takes on that mantle.


With that in mind, you ask yourself, what the hell was Fellaini for?
 
Pexbo said:
With that in mind, you ask yourself, what the hell was Fellaini for?
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Been thinking this. From what I've seen of Carvalho and what people have said about him on here, he sounds like he fulfils exactly the same role as I expect Fellaini to as he beds in.
 
If we were to deploy a more dynamic approach most probably Carvalho won't cut it. He's a bit cumbersome and is often guilty of standing off opponents. Don't know about Liga Sagres but he would get absolutely murdered in the Premier League where more and more teams are employing relentless pressing. Having said that it probably fits in with DM's ethos. Our central midfielders have already come out and said the manager wants them to stay back and pass the ball wide or onto more attacking options. He could be the lynch-pin of Moyes' great central midfield axis. Fellaini + Carvalho can't wait for the endless immobility :drool:
 
Mauzindark said:
If we were to deploy a more dynamic approach most probably Carvalho won't cut it. He's a bit cumbersome and is often guilty of standing off opponents. Don't know about Liga Sagres but he would get absolutely murdered in the Premier League where more and more teams are employing relentless pressing. Having said that it probably fits in with DM's ethos. Our central midfielders have already come out and said the manager wants them to stay back and pass the ball wide or onto more attacking options. He could be the lynch-pin of Moyes' great central midfield axis. Fellaini + Carvalho can't wait for the endless immobility :drool:
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You need some better material. Your tiresome moaning is just too easy to pick apart. We wouldn't chase the likes of Kroos, Fabregas or Herrera if he wanted such a midfield set up as you think. Honestly, you're just a boring twat. Not sure who promoted you but you bring nothing to the forum that we don't already have in abundance.
 
pocco said:
You need some better material. Your tiresome moaning is just too easy to pick apart. We wouldn't chase the likes of Kroos, Fabregas or Herrera if he wanted such a midfield set up as you think. Honestly, you're just a boring twat. Not sure who promoted you but you bring nothing to the forum that we don't already have in abundance.
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:lol::lol: Well done brother. Might be worth a read : https://www.redcafe.net/threads/a-word-about-forum-etiquette.383288/

Let's quote something shall we :

Differing opinions are part and parcel of a forum like this and I'm not asking everybody to suddenly just start getting along. Rather I'm asking for a bit more maturity and to treat your fellow members with more respect. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on here and they should never feel worried about being abused for expressing it. If you don't agree with what someone has posted, by all means criticise it, but don't make it personal.

Criticise the post, not the poster.
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I'm entitled to my opinion as is everyone else. I don't go around calling people who support Moyes twats because this is a largely democratic world. If that makes me a "boring twat " or "something that we have in abundance" then so be it. Ta.

 
jeff_goldblum said:
Been thinking this. From what I've seen of Carvalho and what people have said about him on here, he sounds like he fulfils exactly the same role as I expect Fellaini to as he beds in.
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This. Our priority this Summer, in my opinion, should be a ball playing centre midfielder. If we can get one of Kroos, Gundogan or Rakitic, i'd be more than happy.

If Fellaini doesn't quite live up to the defensive midfielder role, with Carrick getting on, I'd expect us to go in for one the following Summer.
 
Mauzindark said:
:lol::lol: Well done brother. Might be worth a read : https://www.redcafe.net/threads/a-word-about-forum-etiquette.383288/

Let's quote something shall we :




I'm entitled to my opinion as is everyone else. I don't go around calling people who support Moyes twats because this is a largely democratic world. If that makes me a "boring twat " or "something that we have in abundance" then so be it. Ta.
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Having a jab at Moyes in every thread on every issue is fecking tiresome.
 
Mauzindark said:
:lol::lol: Well done brother. Might be worth a read : https://www.redcafe.net/threads/a-word-about-forum-etiquette.383288/

Let's quote something shall we :




I'm entitled to my opinion as is everyone else. I don't go around calling people who support Moyes twats because this is a largely democratic world. If that makes me a "boring twat " or "something that we have in abundance" then so be it. Ta.
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Constantly taking the piss out of the manager of the club we all support, in every thread, on every topic, is going to rile a few people.

If this results in you getting called some names, it's a bit pathetic to run off crying to the teacher. If you can't take it, don't give it.
 
Rozay said:
Anyway, I watched William again against Braga, which was a good game to assess him in with it being reasonably tough opposition.

I think that there is definitely great potential there. I will start with the one thing I'd like to see more of. He seems to patrol a very small circumference on the pitch, and rarely gets himself into other areas of the pitch. I don't know how much of that is down to the instructions he has been given, but I imagine it is something that can be corrected. I just feel that if we were to get him and lay him in a 'midfield two', he'd need to cover more ground so as to not isolate his partner, unless we plan to play two deep lying.

My first response to this was that perhaps he isn't confident enough, but then when he does get involved in the game, you can see that isn't the case. I thought that his ability on the ball was very confident. He has good close control and has a decent passing range, long and short. I'd like to see him impose himself more on the game when his team has the ball, but then again Sporting are a bit crap and the ball is rarely in the midfield anyway.

I wouldn't pay £40m for him, but I do think he has the tools to become one of the top midfielders. A bit more urgency in his game would be nice to see though.
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@Sly from the newbies sent me this response to my post. Thought others may also find it helpful.

Hello. I´m a Sporting fan and season ticket owner from the newbies and perhaps i can explain some of your doubts to why he played that way against Braga. First of all, Carvalho is a very tactically disciplined player, who always follows his managerial instructions. His instructions were very clear for him to focus on that "very small circumference on the pitch" because it was a crucial zone of the tactical battle with Braga´s new manager. Our tactically astute manager gave him that mission for 2 particular reasons. First of all, we were missing a very important player (Adrien) who is essencial to our midfield dynamics since he complements Carvalho very well in our "midfield of two". Without Adrien to cover some of Carvalho´s forward runs, he obviously had to adopt an even more defensive stance. Second reason was the tactical approach by Braga´s new manager. Braga is having a bad season but is one of the best teams in the portuguese league in the last years (eliminating teams like Udinese and Seville from the Champions League qualifiers and even beating Arsenal in the champions league) and deserves that tactical "respect". Braga´s new manager completely changed the previous tactical setup and played a more offensive team filling Carvalho´s zone trying to isolate him, remove his influence and taking advantage of Adrien´s absence. Our manager Leonardo Jardim realised that and of course had to give an even more defensive role and limitate his sphere of influence (to try and block Braga´s midfield superiority and offensive stance ) and compensate Adrien´s absence.
This game had special circunstancies that explain why he had to play this way. When Adrien returns to the team in the next game, you will see a change in the tactical approach and less limitated tactically Carvalho covering more ground. Hope this explanation helped. Cheers.
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I will continue watching. I do have some slight reservations about how it is just that a 21 yr old defensive midfielder is just so super-disciplined, as these things often come later. I'll also try and catch him for Portugal this week.
 
Starts tonight for Portugal against Cameroon. I will be watching. Will be good to see him both with and against better players.
 
akash02 said:
Having a jab at Moyes in every thread on every issue is fecking tiresome.
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He can say what he wants as long as he's criticizing his management rather than the actual person. FFS this is redcafe and not some Gestapo/KGB/Paddy Crerand Show. People are allowed to think and say what they want here.
 
devilish said:
He can say what he wants as long as he's criticizing his management rather than the actual person. FFS this is redcafe and not some Gestapo/KGB/Paddy Crerand Show. People are allowed to think and say what they want here.
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There are plenty of threads that discuss the various aspects of Moyes' shitiness. No need to bring that kind of drivel to each and every thread.
 
Rossa said:
Impressed you?
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Eric'sCollar said:
Yeh, any reports on how he went? Did he play?
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I kind of drifted off in the second half, but I think my report is the same as my last couple. I saw good bits and bad bits.

Technically, I see no issue. He can use the ball well, rarely gives it away, and plays it forward.

My only concern at this stage is still his movement off the ball, which of course is terrible in our team at present. I think he plays too much of the game at walking pace, and I think he could also do more to make himself available for a pass when his teammates have the ball.

He is very strong, and will win most of his duels and makes tackles. That said, the duel almost needs to meet him head on to engage him. In the few times I've watched him, I've felt he could engage a player (and likely win the ball due to superior strength) that was running at his defence about 5 yards away from him. A player wouldn't literally walk past him, but if he is walking near him, he may well get through. I think Carvalho should be running over to the danger and putting it out, but I rarely see him aggressively covering ground. God help you if you are within a yard or two of him, you will lose the ball - but if he sprinted a bit more, 10 yards or so left or right, he would be much more effective. The same applies when his team is in possession of the ball. Quick constant motion into space to get a pass will make him much better.

Ultimately, he is 21, still very young. I think he is talented, and has good and bad points. He will likely improve over time, but I don't see an all-rounder in him, not yet anyway.
 
Rozay said:
I kind of drifted off in the second half, but I think my report is the same as my last couple. I saw good bits and bad bits.

Technically, I see no issue. He can use the ball well, rarely gives it away, and plays it forward.

My only concern at this stage is still his movement off the ball, which of course is terrible in our team at present. I think he plays too much of the game at walking pace, and I think he could also do more to make himself available for a pass when his teammates have the ball.

He is very strong, and will win most of his duels and makes tackles. That said, the duel almost needs to meet him head on to engage him. In the few times I've watched him, I've felt he could engage a player (and likely win the ball due to superior strength) that was running at his defence about 5 yards away from him. A player wouldn't literally walk past him, but if he is walking near him, he may well get through. I think Carvalho should be running over to the danger and putting it out, but I rarely see him aggressively covering ground. God help you if you are within a yard or two of him, you will lose the ball - but if he sprinted a bit more, 10 yards or so left or right, he would be much more effective. The same applies when his team is in possession of the ball. Quick constant motion into space to get a pass will make him much better.

Ultimately, he is 21, still very young. I think he is talented, and has good and bad points. He will likely improve over time, but I don't see an all-rounder in him, not yet anyway.
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Thanks.

Is he slow, or just lazy?
 
Rossa said:
Thanks.

Is he slow, or just lazy?
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Hard to work out at this stage. I don't believe he is slow. Once or twice over the three full games I've watched, I've seen him stretch his legs and has not been lacking there.

Ultimately I'd just like to see him take a bit more ownership and responsibility on the pitch. At the moment, it seems that if the ball/a problem comes directly to him, he will deal with it. If not, he isn't really in the game.
 
akash02 said:
There are plenty of threads that discuss the various aspects of Moyes' shitiness. No need to bring that kind of drivel to each and every thread.
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As SAF used to say the manager's role is the most important job in football. Everything is linked to it. Honestly I think that Moyes transfers weren't bad at all. He did falter with Fellaini but other targets (Mata, Alcantara, Kroos and Fabregas) made complete sense.
 
Totally agree with the points Rozay mentioned its weird it's not that he is slow or lazy , he just seems to wait for things to happen instead of going to the challenge , anyhow Contraeo for me was man of the match brilliant going forward and quick to react going back Moysey or whoever sign him up !
 
This is an excellent piece, positively raving: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...m-carvalho-manchester-united-transfer-3213663

The bottom line for me is that he is exactly what we need. Young. Energetic and strong. Composed. Central midfielder. Available.

Therefore it'll never happen. Fergie and then Moyes have crushed all hopes of us ever making a midfield signing that makes perfect footballing sense again.

The only we can make this is work is let Chelsea sign him, then loan him from them. Perfect plan. The club won't even realise we've signed a midfielder...
 
I don't think he would do as well in the PL as in where is now. The game in the PL is too fast and will swallow him up with the high pressure.

He can adapt or break.
 
Pexbo said:
...With that in mind, you ask yourself, what the hell was Fellaini for?
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I've been asking the same question. What is it about modern footballers these days; can't they learn to play different positions?

Carvalho is a big unit at 6'2" and a tad shy of 14 stone - Fellaini is over 6'4" and 13 and a half stone. He can tackle and read a game, surely. Why couldn't he be our Matic/Carvalho?

If his job is to screen the back 4 and tackle/get a foot in/win the ball then give it to a midfielder that CAN play a pass, surely he could do this or learn to do it well in a relatively quick period of time.
 
0n0mat0p0eia said:
I've been asking the same question. What is it about modern footballers these days; can't they learn to play different positions?

Carvalho is a big unit at 6'2" and a tad shy of 14 stone - Fellaini is over 6'4" and 13 and a half stone. He can tackle and read a game, surely. Why couldn't he be our Matic/Carvalho?

If his job is to screen the back 4 and tackle/get a foot in/win the ball then give it to a midfielder that CAN play a pass, surely he could do this or learn to do it well in a relatively quick period of time.
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It makes you wonder if Moyes had a Plan B in mind with Fellaini. A way of using his versatility much like he did at Everton. Dare I say it, get him in the box and on the end of a more direct ball as well as the option to use him as a more defensive midfielder.
 
Pexbo said:
It makes you wonder if Moyes had a Plan B in mind with Fellaini. A way of using his versatility much like he did at Everton. Dare I say it, get him in the box and on the end of a more direct ball as well as the option to use him as a more defensive midfielder.
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I just think Moyes realized he overrated him and underrated the gap in quality needed to succeed in his Everton, and United.
 
Still happy enough if we get Carvalho but the price is really concerning. There is no way he is worth the reported fee. However, he is a player you would need to sign before the World Cup because if he features and does well, I think he would have many clubs after him.
 
I assume Fellainis position will be decided by who you sign this summer. 29m seems way too much as i doubt it would cost much more to sign someone like Kroos/Gundogan.
 
SilentWitness said:
I assume Fellainis position will be decided by who you sign this summer. 29m seems way too much as i doubt it would cost much more to sign someone like Kroos/Gundogan.
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I agree to an extent in regards to evaluating Fellaini after any new arrivals in the summer. However, when you look at it. Fellaini is around 6 years younger than Carrick, Giggs to hang the boots up, Jones to move to CB with the departures of Rio and Vidic and Anderson all but sold. So really, I think he is safe for a few years no matter who we bring in. And with his price tag, rightly or wrongly, he should be given time.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
I agree to an extent in regards to evaluating Fellaini after any new arrivals in the summer. However, when you look at it. Fellaini is around 6 years younger than Carrick, Giggs to hang the boots up, Jones to move to CB with the departures of Rio and Vidic and Anderson all but sold. So really, I think he is safe for a few years no matter who we bring in. And with his price tag, rightly or wrongly, he should be given time.
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...I didn't mean in terms of being first team or a squad player. I meant in terms of being deployed as the deeper of the two in a holding role or further forward as a box-to-box player.
 
SilentWitness said:
...I didn't mean in terms of being first team or a squad player. I meant in terms of being deployed as the deeper of the two in a holding role or further forward as a box-to-box player.
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My bad. I think he will be used where needed, I can't see him nailing down a spot.
 
It will be interesting to see how we line up if we get Carvalho and a Kroos/Gundogan type. That would give us the option of playing an extremely strong midfield three but you would imagine Carvalho and Fellaini won't be played together in most games. Essentially we would always be stuck with a 30mil or so midfielder on the bench.
 
gza the genius said:
It will be interesting to see how we line up if we get Carvalho and a Kroos/Gundogan type. That would give us the option of playing an extremely strong midfield three but you would imagine Carvalho and Fellaini won't be played together in most games. Essentially we would always be stuck with a 30mil or so midfielder on the bench.
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I'm guessing something like:
Rooney
Griezmann? Mata Januzaj
Carvalho Kroos
??? Smalling Jones Rafael
De Gea​

Assuming RVP is off in the summer, which I think would be best for both parties. All the talk about Griezmann makes me think we'll sign him too, although a truly muppet signing would be Reus for that position. Brilliant lineup all around that, especially if we get someone like Shaw for left back.
 
gza the genius said:
It will be interesting to see how we line up if we get Carvalho and a Kroos/Gundogan type. That would give us the option of playing an extremely strong midfield three but you would imagine Carvalho and Fellaini won't be played together in most games. Essentially we would always be stuck with a 30mil or so midfielder on the bench.
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It would be really silly if you dropped Fellaini and brought in Carvalho and Kroos/Gundogan as Carvalho has shown hardly anything compared to Fellaini as of yet and it's not like Fellaini is 30. If Carvalho was going to cost 10m, it would make more sense, but 29m? Silly.
 
Is he anything like Wanyama? Thats who this this thread reminds me of.
 
The currant bun are also reporting that opening talks have begun,
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