William Carvalho

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Felliani is SLOW and lacks agility. He did a decent job yesterday. Everything with him is so rough, he lacks real top class quality on the ball. Never United quality and 27 milliion was almost as bad as the 35 for Carroll.

I haven't watched Carvalho what's he about?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Really? Weren't you implying Toure's lack of acceleration isn't an issue, just a few posts higher up this page?

Re 10k races. They're about more than just stamina. You seem to be confusing them with a marathon, or some fat bloke doing a fun run. Competitive runners at that sort of distance are quick.
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Mo Farah being the example i think you're looking for Pogue...
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I do think having a least one genuinely quick CM is a good thing but United have coped fine without one over the last 20 years or so. Ditto Barca and Bayern in more recent times.
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I don't think you can compare what Guardiola sides do to how we play because they make up for lack of mobility by never letting the other team have the ball.

Don't agree with United having slow midfielders either. Keane, Butt and a younger Scholes and Fletcher could all cover short distances reasonably.
 
Blasphemy said:
I don't think you can compare what Guardiola sides do to how we play because they make up for lack of mobility by never letting the other team have the ball.

Don't agree with United having slow midfielders either. Keane, Butt and a younger Scholes and Fletcher could all cover short distances reasonably.
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You think this Carvalho bloke is slower than all those players?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Re 10k races. They're about more than just stamina. You seem to be confusing them with a marathon, or some fat bloke doing a fun run. Competitive runners at that sort of distance are quick.
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Done loads of distance running myself. Can do a marathon in sub 2.50 and a 10k in under 35 minutes. In sunday league football it's pretty rare that anyone I play against is faster over those distance or has more stamina than me, and I'm probably faster than a lot of professional footballers over those distances as well.

But even at Sunday league I'm not at all fast over really short distances, the skills just don't translate.
 
JaffyJoe said:
Felliani is SLOW and lacks agility. He did a decent job yesterday. Everything with him is so rough, he lacks real top class quality on the ball. Never United quality and 27 milliion was almost as bad as the 35 for Carroll.

I haven't watched Carvalho what's he about?
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About 21 years old; 6ft 2ins & 14 stone; slow as feck with no left-foot; he hates rain & its his dream to one day play for Real Madrid...
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You think this Carvalho bloke is slower than all those players?
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I think he's very similar to Toure in that respect. Give him 10 yards of space to get going and he's unstoppable because he's such a unit but it takes him a long while to get up to full speed.
 
Is Carvalho slow? Perhaps @Arruda (or @Rozay) can answer that better. Personally, and I've only watched two full games of Carvalho's, and a few highlight reels, I don't see it. Rapid, no, but he's certainly not slow. I've watched a lot of Pogba this season, and I'd say Carvalho is similar to him, in terms of his mobility (tall and strong but also fairly agile, and both are pretty rapid once they get going).
 
You NEED at least one mobile cm. If you don't your going to need to dominate the ball like Barca. The transition these days is so quick. We have been getting caught out a lot because of this over the last few years, Scholesy became a liability defensively because of his inability to track back. To use Pirlo Juve/Italy have two midfielders who do all the dog work for him.

We need at least one quick cm and another pacy attacker. We are too slow going forward and I doubt the football will ever be intricate enough to compensate.
 
Blasphemy said:
Done loads of distance running myself. Can do a marathon in sub 2.50 and a 10k in under 35 minutes. In sunday league football it's pretty rare that anyone I play against is faster over those distance or has more stamina than me, and I'm probably faster than a lot of professional footballers over those distances as well.

But even at Sunday league I'm not at all fast over really short distances, the skills just don't translate.
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You've introduced the "really fast at short distances" idea as being essential for a CM. I'm just arguing against Fellaini lacking mobility.

I'm guessing your lack of pace over the first 5-10 yards means you're not being asked to play as a striker? I think that's important in some positions more than others, at every level.

For a CM, though being reasonably quick and having a great engine is usually all you need. I can't believe that players like Fletcher, Scholes, Butt and Keane really are all that much quicker around the pitch than Fellaini and Carvalho (although admittedly I've never seen the latter play)
 
Just imagine a midfield of Fellaini and this guy. Teams would be scary to play against us.
 
Lu Tze said:
Yes. Mo Farah is remarkably quick. Or is this supposed to be sarcastic?
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Nah, not at all :angel:

His kick on the last/2nd last bend is legendary. Sure, they're trying to get a race over 600m's goin with him & Bolt. Sports science folk reckon 550m's is a more fair race length for both though...

That would be a great spectacle!

Although in saying that, if you remember something similar has been done before with Michael Johnson & Donovan Bailey over 150m's. That was a complete anti-climax after all the trash-talkin that went on beforehand. Johnson was gettin his arse served in the 1st 75m's & to me - he faked a hamstring injury as an excuse for failure & dropped back - hobbling over the line.

Here's the footage to judge for yourself:

 
Red Hand Devil said:
Did you have the same delusions about this guy's release clause being paid aswell:

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That guy has played in the best league in Europe and for a club well known for insisting on a player's release clause being met before he can leave due to the the political setup of the club (they only play basque players which reduces the pool of players they can bring in to replace him regardless of the money so the player himself instantly has more value to his club). He also played for a reasonably financially stable club. Please tell me you can see the difference?

Not to mention the fact that as I said before my issue isn't actually with the fee payed, my issue is with the reporting of the fee and the fact that it is highly unlikely we would have paid 37mil up front for a player who plays for a less financially stable club and who is unproven outside of Portugal. If it turns out we have I couldn't care less, my original post was doubting the reported fee not the sense in signing him.

I don't however expect you to be able to read or comprehend any of the above so I'm not sure why I've bothered typing it.
 
Lu Tze said:
He was getting absolutely smashed :lol:
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Big time & after only a few metres too. You can see Johnson stuttering lookin to see where Bailey was - like wtf was he doin?!

The fakin annoys me. Its a classic stunt athletes do when they know their gettin their arse served. Sally Gunnell did it aswell - only it was her achilles she faked, if memory serves correctly!

The Johnson & Bailey race was a disgrace tbh, due to the amount of money that was pumped into it & the money Johnson got paid also. It was huge. Not to mention the amount of money bet on both athletes too - that was unbelievable!
 
Donut said:
This seems crazy money for an unproven talented kid.
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It's not our personal money and that is what did for us in the summer, haggling over prices and has done in the past. Just pay the money and move onto the next player. While we are quibbling about fees other clubs will just nip in and sign them with no qualms about the money. Get the players in before the World Cup, get them settled before the season starts. Sick of last minute signings, when the season has already started and everyone moaning that they are having trouble fitting in.
 
BAMSOLA said:
That guy has played in the best league in Europe and for a club well known for insisting on a player's release clause being met before he can leave due to the the political setup of the club (they only play basque players which reduces the pool of players they can bring in to replace him regardless of the money so the player himself instantly has more value to his club). He also played for a reasonably financially stable club. Please tell me you can see the difference?

Not to mention the fact that as I said before my issue isn't actually with the fee payed, my issue is with the reporting of the fee and the fact that it is highly unlikely we would have paid 37mil up front for a player who plays for a less financially stable club and who is unproven outside of Portugal. If it turns out we have I couldn't care less, my original post was doubting the reported fee not the sense in signing him.

I don't however expect you to be able to read or comprehend any of the above so I'm not sure why I've bothered typing it.
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:lol: :boring: Such childishness :boring::lol:
 
DomesticTadpole said:
It's not our personal money and that is what did for us in the summer, haggling over prices and has done in the past. Just pay the money and move onto the next player. While we are quibbling about fees other clubs will just nip in and sign them with no qualms about the money. Get the players in before the World Cup, get them settled before the season starts. Sick of last minute signings, when the season has already started and everyone moaning that they are having trouble fitting in.
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Bumsola disagrees...
 
Why is everyone worrying about central midfielders having pace? It's the area of the pitch where pace is least important, ffs!
 
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