Yea, Fellaini is best utilized in a box to box role or as a center attacking midfielder like we saw yesterday. The only concern is if Fellaini is the type of player that should be United's box to box midfielder. If he can put in more performances like yesterday and add goals to his game via his aerial prowness or footwork, then their is a possibility that he could.
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Yea, Fellaini is best utilized in a box to box role or as a center attacking midfielder like we saw yesterday. The only concern is if Fellaini is the type of player that should be United's box to box midfielder. If he can put in more performances like yesterday and add goals to his game via his aerial prowness or footwork, then their is a possibility that he could.
Oh how I wish we still had Pogba. Him and Carvalho, in my opinion, be a match made in heaven.
My issue isn't at all about being premier league proven, because that means feck all really. It's just that he's had only half a season as a first team player and is still really young. Could go both ways but for that money we should go for an established player in other leagues, like what people were saying above.37.5M for an unproven EPL player, though?
People still don't understand what a release clause is around here.
Enlighten us!
Point is that a release clause of 50m for William Carvalho is just the same as a release clause of 100m for Hulk or a clause of 1bn for Cristiano Ronaldo.
These don't reflect the value of the player, as such when discussing hypothetical transfer values it's an idiotic thing to begin with, unless it's a relatively low value, like was the case with Thiago. They're just a security (much like the default "no release clause" that there is in England) for the selling club in case they don't really want to sell. In Spain they're obligatory if I recall correctly, hence the likes of Real Madrid getting around it with that 1bn thing.
They're the result of a negotiation between player/agent/club. Usually the player wants it as low as possible, and the club will want it as high as possible. Carvalho was among a number of players with incredibly low clauses or contracts that were running down and that Sporting with their new energetic president made an effort to renew with a new contract. Players end up accepting these values because it will mean higher wages and because they (their agents) are fully aware that their clubs can't afford not to sell them after a certain amount on offer.
In the huge number of players that Portuguese clubs have exported in recent years only Witsel comes to mind as having left by the value of his clause.
If a club wants to negotiate with Sporting then they just have to go through the normal route of ascertaining how much they think he's worth, make a bid, and wait for Sporting's response. I don't see them holding out for more than 30m euros for him, and even that is assuming they can make decent money on other players. If they reach the end of the transfer window without making any big deal they could even be pressed to let him go for something like 20m, such is the dire financial situation of the club.
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Thanks for that. Do you think he has a reasonable prospect of starting at the World Cup?
I think he does, he looks like the most serious candidate at the moment, but we'll need to wait for the next friendly games to be sure of that. He has exploded far too recently, Veloso had the spot in the last official games.
I think the confusion arrises from the fact the last serious release clause talk on here was to do with Herrera, and in convincing people that Bilbao are different and would ONLY deal at release clause price I think people got confused.
@Arruda how much would he cost in your opnion?
I already answered that, I'd guess something between 20m and 30m, assuming a bidding war doesn't happen. Sporting will want more, but they aren't really on a position to let a 20m+ deal pass.
£40m for an unroven youngster from a weaker league is just madness. Anderson cost near £20m from the same league and he didn't play or input that much consistently. BIG gamble.
Surely for £20m+ we can find some players who are more established.
Surely for £20m+ we can find some players who are more established.
I imagine our lust for Sex last summer highlighted some of the difficulties in signing proven top-class midfielders.
Personally, all of that stuff means nothing to me. I'm sure people who have worked with professional footballers for decades can watch a player almost every week over the course of a season in the Portuguese League and have an idea as to whether he has the qualities or not to work in their team. I'm not necessarily in favour of this big team/big league bias. You should be able to assess talent objectively. I wish Juventus were stupid enough to ignore Pogba's talent and go for someone more proven. He was even a reserve and they put him straight into their first team.
And I'd agree with you anyway, but I doubt he'd cost £40m.
A lot of talk about this guy going for massive money, I don't know the ins and outs of any release clause but if a club wants him and he wants to move, Sporting will accept a reasonable bid, I can't see it anywhere near the 40m mark.
This is all true however, what is also true is that a release clause allows the selling the club to hold out for whatever figure they want (lower than the clause ofcourse).
Sporting might just say, we don't want to sell Carvalho and if you want him than you have to pay up the release clause. If sporting can hold out for the money and would like to keep him, or they know there is alot of interest in him from other clubs aswell and want to get as much out of him as they possibly can and they know we have the money and are desperate for a midfielder, they might just play hardball and ask the release clause. If they do that, I doubt we will get him for much less than his clause.
All depends on what Sporting wants and think they can get. If they don't need the money and want to keep him end of story, we will only be able to get him by paying the release clause. If they know they will never get as much as the release clause and they think they will never get more of him as they could get this summer than they will sell for a sum below the release clause. Given the situation, us having a lot of money, us saying we are going to spend big, us being desperate for midfielders and him being a hot prospect that is also followed by a number of other teams, Sporting will most likely play hardball, which means we will have to overpay to get him. Probably not £37.5m, but I wouldn't be surprised if they made us cough up atleast 30m or tell us to feck off otherwise. They are in a strong position to negotiate and we aren't, that is because of the situation and because of the transfer clause. If we had done this in the previous summer, we could have gotten him for a favourable price, given the current situation, there is no way we will get him without overpaying.
That being said, I still want him because I really rate him and the same is going to apply for alot of other targets we have. We are not going to be able to get every players we need and want for a good deal, we will have to pay up to get our targets, that will be the reality in the summer.
Argument flawed right there.
I said if, I don't know what the financial situation is at Sporting.
To me that's just like normal transfer dealings without the clauses. Clubs will always have a minimum figure they'd want to sell for and will play hardball in any event, regardless of release clause. The only club I've seen push buying clubs to the release clause figure is Bilbao and they've got valid reasons for it, what with the Basque only policy they have.
Reports coming out of Portugal today that City have 'joined the race' for him. With Yaya ageing, he may be tempted with the opportunity to replace him if true.
ffs
Portugal big clubs will sell if the right offer comes in and they are doing pretty well importing Brazilians and exporting to europe at higher prices
He was called to the friendly against Cameroon. Rafa Silva was called too, dying to see how he does.
Also, you can watch both players today, Sporting hosts Braga.
Was going to post that I will be on scouting duty again tonight. Would be good to see Carvalho first hand against one of the better teams in Portugal.
With no game for us this weekend I wonder if any of the 3 wise men will be in the stadium. I'm referring to Moyes, Neville and Round by the way. Any of them would confirm that this is some serious shit.
Real Madrid.
Pack this up one, boys.
We're done here.
We're done here.
225 posts of muppetry before disaster struck.
FFS have some faith.
The thing is, Madrid can't have everyone. They're also strongly linked with Gundogan, despite his ongoing back injury. If they get Carvalho, we should go in for Gundogan and hope he's able to recover. He's more the type of player we need anyway, in my opinion. That said, after Hargo, i'm not sure we should be risking it.
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Didn't Real Madrid buy Illaramendi last year to grow into the holding role soon to be vacated by an ageing Xavi Alonso? How many players do they want?
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Didn't Real Madrid buy Illaramendi last year to grow into the holding role soon to be vacated by an ageing Xavi Alonso? How many players do they want?
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They are also strongly linked with Martinez, Vidal and Pogba. However I don't think they are interested in Gundogan anymore, it seems like they think he is too much of a gamble with his medical history.
Carvalho will be on their radar, but I generally think he is too low profile to become a madridista. We all know Real Madrid only want the shinny toys, a young unproven player that has his first great season at Sporting isn't exactly what the madrid fans are dreaming about and it probably won't be the present Perez will want to give them this summer.
If we pay up Carvalho will be ours, but we really shouldn't wait too long with it, because if he plays a very good worldcup the interest in him might explode and it might be too late for us.
I would imagine (and hope) we'd try and get most of our business done by the end of May. Whether that's possible or not is the unknown.
If the board thinks Moyes will stay 100% next summer......then i can see we're making most our transfers before the World Cup
Anyway i've seen him again against Braga yesterday.......oh my god we would be perfect for us
Anyway i've seen him again against Braga yesterday.......oh my god we would be perfect for us
Thats the standard hack journo go to. Any player we are linked to City are automatically added on to
True. Also, there is the fact that some foreign followers still don't know there are two teams in Manchester and confuse us with them.
They can't sign everyone ffs. Imagine if we got both Gundogan and Carvalho though (and Gundogan's injury was just a one time thing). It would be perfect for us squad wise, a potential front 6 of:
Carvalho Gundogan
Januzaj Mata Kagawa
Rooney/RVP
Personnel wise, we'd only need to strengthen in defence after that.Januzaj Mata Kagawa
Rooney/RVP
Listen unless theres a change in manager Kagawa wont be here next season
Yeah I'm trying to keep the manager talk in the other threads, there's plenty of them. Going by the assumption that there will be a change of manager, that's what I'd like to see (because IMO all these signings won't matter too much if the manager is the same).
Doubt that will happen. At Everton, Moyes had a history of leaving his signings till late in the window. He'll continue that trend here in all likelihood.
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