Ando will bring the drinks/oranges at half time and Fellaini can be the mascot.
William Carvalho
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Ando will bring the drinks/oranges at half time and Fellaini can be the mascot.
If we sign Carvalho (which is a hell of lot more likely than Vidal) then that will be it for CM signings this summer. I can't see us going for both. Although I'm going to cry if we miss out on VidalLet's just sign both Carvalho and Vidal, and along with Herrera we can forget any of our pre-existing midfielders exist!
Nah, they're nothing alike.
We signed a world class playmaker in Mata to go along with van Perise and Rooney in attack, so I think we're doing not too badly in an attacking sense. Pace would be nice though. Carvalho could become a world class DM very soon and Shaw is the same. I think we've done plenty well in terms of bringing in genuine class if we got Carvalho. I certainly wasn't expecting a player like Di Maria or Vidal to join us. Even Sanchez was more of a hope than an expectation because he will have plenty of suiters and we just aren't at the top pf a world class player's list.
well we did go for him initially at least, as we bid for him, so he was obviously a moyes target, woodward isnt going to bid for him without moyes say so
If we after both Vidal and Carvalho then surely we wont be after Strootman in Jan? unless we are completely overhauling the midfield which though sounds great can be a bit risky in one window.
Why's him being a 'Moyes target' a problem?
The idea was that Carvalho and Strootman combined would cost around the same as Vidal (approximately £50 million), making it either-or.
it isnt... just intresting that our transfer policy dosn't seem to have changed much even though we changed manager.....
Maybe Van Gaal is going after the names Moyes was set to try and sign as he agree to signing those players.
The problem is that we have fantastic central attackers but only two positions (three at the max but I don't believe that will be possible) to utilize them in. Rooney, RvP, Welbeck, Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj (that's probably his best position) and Hernandez. Our attack would be much better balanced if we offloaded two or three of those and bought a real winger. Like you say, we could use some pace.
If we get those two players then I can see plenty of parallels between United new side and the Ajax side which won the CL. Carvalho will be our Rijkaard, ie the hard man who sits deep and shields the defence. Strootman will take Davids role ie harassing the opposition and make them lose ball possession while Herrera will play the deep lying playmaker's role which was synonymous with Ronald De Boer.
Under such circumstances I wont be surprised if we end up playing 4-3-3
---------------De Gea-------------------
Rafael----Smalling----Evans-------Shaw
--------------Carvalho---------------
------Herrera---------Strootman------
---Mata-------------------Rooney-----------
--------------RVP--------------------
We will be so good that we will only play 9 outfield players.
I think because of the injury Strootman has, we won't go for him this window. It will either be in Jan or next year. A big risk to go for him now.
I know, but it is unlikely we will go for Strootman because of his injury, at least not this window.
According to Ogden, we are after Carvalho and Vidal both, but no mention of Strootman.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ransfer-news-and-rumours-for-summer-2014.html
We need an update from @Sly
There's nothing in Portuguese press other than places mainly catching onto what ZeroZero reported 2 days ago. Although the fee being branded around is €30m as opposed to €45m.
Good point, sometimes I forget Strootman isn't naturally a holding midfielder. But with Mata it's unlikely we'll see it no?
Presumably one or the other (keeping both options open) - surely we won't sign three CMs?! This being the case I really hope Carvalho is the fall-back for Vidal, rather than the other way round. I just can't get excited about Carvalho, becuase signing him basically means we're not getting Vidal.
Yeah Carvahlo is better defensively while Strootman is a bit more well rounded and a good passer.
Nope he says Vidal's the main target & Carvalho would be aswell as.
Carvalho's a good passer aswell tbf, doesn't get enough credit for it as people asume he's just some big hard cnut who has no techincal ability. Strootman's definitely the more well rounded though.
yeah thats whats seems to be happening, maybe becuase Van Gaal hasn't had the time to identify targets and is relying on giggs and woodward to make decisions this summer.
Is he? I've Heard a lot of criticism over his passing.
Certainly, I was imagining we'd maybe go for the cheaper option so we could wait for Strootman until January in the hopes of getting both. Would be very surprised if we bought both Vidal and Carvalho. That's more than 100 million worth of midfielders.
I guess. It's getting very interesting, this formation game, especially if we buy three midfielders. That means we can't play with a no. 10 and we already have three top-class players competing for that position.
Unless of course we do convert to a 5-3-2 with wingbacks instead of wingers and do like this (formation guessing is so much fun):
------------------DDG
--------Evans - Jones - New Guy
Rafael---------- Carvalho -------- Shaw
----------Strootman - Herrera
--------------------Mata
--------------------RvP
... but I can't see us giving up wingers.
Either way, we've got some serious luxury problems in attack.
Last season I would have been ecstatic at the thought of signing Carvalho but now I would be disappointed as it would mean we may not get Vidal... I feel so spoilt 
Doubt they've watched him much then. He's obviously no Xavi and he's not gonna be firing balls across the pitch left right and centre pulling the strings but he's by no means a bad passer at all. He's good on the ball & can definitely pick out a pass.
No pace in the team, will not work. 4-3-3 are based with two fast wingers. Mata and rooney although creative do not have the pace. It could be sacrificed on one wing but both wings would make it too slow.
Mourinho's 4-3-3 had robben/duff/joe cole on the wings
Ajax had overmars and the other winger(cant remember the name)
Bayern under LVG had robben and ribery
Holland (with strootman) use lens and robben.
Replace mata/rooney with januzaj/Nani and you will be closer(not by a lot though) to a good 4-3-3.
Nope, it is Vidal plus another CM it seems.
I would not. We have ignored our CMs for too long. This is the price you have to pay for years of neglect. Vidal and another CM like Carvalho means we don't have to worry about the CM for the next few years. If we are serious about getting back in CL and being a top side, then we need a strong midfield.
Once we take care of that, next year we can then sort out other areas of the squad.
I'd be delighted with this signing. I know he isn't in the class of Vidal, but I believe he'd suit our midfield better at the moment. If we plan to play Mata in the number 10, then Herrera/Vidal behind him would be a bit too attacking imo. Herrera/Strootman or Herrera/Carvalho feels much more balanced.
I think he's quality, and potentially world-class in a few years. He reads the game with great intelligence and retains the ball well. I like those types of signings, players on the up, with potential to be something special. I know he had a crap game against Ghana, but it's unfair to judge him on that. He's inexperienced at this level and is coming into a team that isn't functioning well at all, so it's difficult.
I saw some tweets saying it's a bad sign he doesn't start for Portugal yet, but he really should be in that team based on performances this season. All of the Portuguese fans I know think he deserves a spot in the team. So again, I don't think it's fair to judge him on that.
Get it done Woody!
I think he's quality, and potentially world-class in a few years. He reads the game with great intelligence and retains the ball well. I like those types of signings, players on the up, with potential to be something special. I know he had a crap game against Ghana, but it's unfair to judge him on that. He's inexperienced at this level and is coming into a team that isn't functioning well at all, so it's difficult.
I saw some tweets saying it's a bad sign he doesn't start for Portugal yet, but he really should be in that team based on performances this season. All of the Portuguese fans I know think he deserves a spot in the team. So again, I don't think it's fair to judge him on that.
Get it done Woody!
Yep, he doesn't start because of our manager, nothing to do with his ability. Been our best performing midfielder by a mile this season.
That's the best thing about Van Gaal it's impossible to guess what his plans are especially regarding Rooney and Mata. But I agree can't see us giving up wingers but if we don't sign anyone in that position and our current options continue to suck its possible.
Well that's good to hear then.
Sign Carvalho! Sign Vidal! Sign Strootman! Sign Ronaldo! Sign Scholes! Sign Everyone!!!
If it's Carvalho (22) & Strootman (24) or Vidal (27) my choice would be the first.
Can't believe how down people are about the possibility of signing Carvalho. He looks like he could potentially be a midfield monster in the future. Don't forget, he's just a kid right now.
Someone needs to post all those gifs from a while ago showing Carvalho taking the piss out of all those players. With a bit of nurturing of his talent and some maturing on his part, he could be top class. I don't think people realise how talented he is, having seen him play within himself in his outing for Portugal.
Someone needs to post all those gifs from a while ago showing Carvalho taking the piss out of all those players. With a bit of nurturing of his talent and some maturing on his part, he could be top class. I don't think people realise how talented he is, having seen him play within himself in his outing for Portugal.
we would definately regret not singing him if he joins a PL rival somewhere in the future.
If we got Carvlho as well as Ander and Shaw we suddenly have a young, exciting looking side. Which is exactly the profile of player LVG loves to work with.
But then on the other hand, he also could not. We can't just sign players because they might do well for another club. That's just bad for business.
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