What happened to Nelson Oliveira? wasn't he supposed to be the next big thing? It's a bit shit what's happening to Portuguese football because you associate the Portugal national team with top players, for all the talk about strikers, the midfield is suffering. Meireles and Veloso were talked up 5 years ago, haven't seen any improvement from either, Raul Meireles still doesn't like tackling.
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What happened to Nelson Oliveira? wasn't he supposed to be the next big thing? It's a bit shit what's happening to Portuguese football because you associate the Portugal national team with top players, for all the talk about strikers, the midfield is suffering. Meireles and Veloso were talked up 5 years ago, haven't seen any improvement from either, Raul Meireles still doesn't like tackling.
Oliveira was just another classic Bento brainfart. From using him heavily on the Euro phase, he just stopped calling him up after a decent season at Rennes. It´s hard to understand his reasoning but going for the World cup with Postiga and Eder who spent half of the season injured when Bébé and Oliveira had decent years just prove how he is inept for the job.
Meireles is probably finished in our national team and Veloso will have a hard time mantaining his spot as a starter in the Euro.
Its funny cause you have to take a leap of faith sometimes....we all can think about the next big thing when it didnt work out but Juventus proved in signing Vidal and Pogba that occasional it can work in your favour.....
Alarm bells ring when he couldn't get in that Portugal starting XI
What? Do you even know the circunstancies? It has nothing to do with ability. The spot is his in the future. When he started we won at least.
That's really a stupid thing to say. The coach has his favourite and he's going to go with familiar players.
Do alarm bells ring for Smalling or Jones because they couldn't get ahead of Jagielka?
if we did go for Carvahlo, what does that say about our transfer policy, it would mean we had signed 3 players identified by moyes.....
Really?
Anyone could identify these 3 players. They hardly unknowns. Herrera was scouted by Fergie. Moyes wasn't even sure that Herrera was good enough to be his first signing.
Shaw was hardly a secret.
im not saying thier bad signings, im f'ing thrilled we signed Shaw and Herrera, so not really bothered who lined them up.
i just find it interesting that these are 3 players that we where heavily linked with during the moyes reign and we have continued to peruse them though he has been fired, i would have expected more of a change in direction of our transfer policy with moyes gone.
I wonder if it because Woodward identified them before Van Gaal signed on an van gaal just approved them, or Van gaal had simlar ideas to moyes, or maybe giggs is having more imput in the summer dealings because of van gaals world cup commitments... or a mixture of all of them.....
it just interesting thats all
Daily Fail reporting our delegates are in Portugal tying up Carvalho
Record today are saying we're preparing a bid & Sporting would want €30m. Would be surprised if he's sold that low but it's a good price if true.
That's an excellent price. But, again that fee seems a bit low from a sporting perspective.
Think it depends who else is sold by them tbh as they could be losing 2 or 3 more but nothing's concrete so I'd imagine if William is the only one to leave it'd be release clause or nothing.
Leading papers in Portugal today are all running with the same thing though so I think there's a good chance it could happen now.
Seems to read the game well to be in the right places defensively and make good tackles. Makes good use of his stature and plays it out quickly to the attacking players.
I did not want him before when the rumors of him and Kroos in our midfield were rife because they are both too static, but
Would complement a runner like Herrera well in our midfield.
I'd argue Herrera and Vidal seems less compatible than a Herrera Carvalho combination. It's more balanced and would add the needed protection for our back four when Herrera and Mata are off to the other side of the pitch. We don't have anyone like the type of Carvalho (Fellaini is not a defensive midfielder) in our squad so it seems a logical addition.
Do want.
I did not want him before when the rumors of him and Kroos in our midfield were rife because they are both too static, but
Would complement a runner like Herrera well in our midfield.
I'd argue Herrera and Vidal seems less compatible than a Herrera Carvalho combination. It's more balanced and would add the needed protection for our back four when Herrera and Mata are off to the other side of the pitch. We don't have anyone like the type of Carvalho (Fellaini is not a defensive midfielder) in our squad so it seems a logical addition.
Do want.
If he comes that's pretty much it with Vidal, isn't it?
Doubt it's one or the other, they're nothing alike.
In my opinion it was the Herrera signing that put that to bed. They're both similar in their roles, Carvalho and Vidal are completely different. Think we wanted one box-to-box and one holding.
But we've also got Herrera. We're not spending £100m on just CM players (Vidal £48m, Herrea £27m Carvalho £25m)
I don't think we've set out to but then again I don't think there's a chance of getting Vidal this summer either way. If we signed Carvalho now and later on there was some indication Vidal's available then I think we'd pursue it too but unless he asks Juve to leave he won't be going anywhere anyway.
If they can get the price down it won't bother me so much.
50m for a 27 year old is a lot though... undoubtedly a good player though but thats pogba type money! (though to be fair I dont think we will get either but Im 99.9999999% confident we wont get pogba so Vidal is certainly a more realistic target)
I still think strootman is the most likely when he is fit - a fit gundogan would have been a good shout as well but we are crying out for a box to box type player
It does concern me a bit that he couldn't get a start in a very unimpressive Portuguese three-man midfield. I mean, I wouldn't want us to buy Meireles, Veloso or Moutinho (okay, maybe Moutinho but only just).
That said, €30 million sounds like a pretty good deal if he's as good as people say. I can't imagine we'd buy Vidal as well then, but then again I never truly did believe we would get Vidal.
Would be another good but not outstanding signing. I do feel we should go after one or two players from the absolute highest shelf, and that's not where I see either of Shaw (yet), Herrera or Carvalho.
If we're waiting for Strootman in January, though, then Strootman + Carvalho for around £50 million might be better than one Vidal at the same price.
That said, €30 million sounds like a pretty good deal if he's as good as people say. I can't imagine we'd buy Vidal as well then, but then again I never truly did believe we would get Vidal.
Would be another good but not outstanding signing. I do feel we should go after one or two players from the absolute highest shelf, and that's not where I see either of Shaw (yet), Herrera or Carvalho.
If we're waiting for Strootman in January, though, then Strootman + Carvalho for around £50 million might be better than one Vidal at the same price.
£50m for 27 year old as good as he is is crazy. United have their box to box player in Herrera. Carvalho or Gustavo should be bought.
Well it shouldn't considering he's easily better than both Meireles & Veloso. The fact he couldn't get in is down to our manager being stubborn and sticking with the old guard. Says nothing about William, Bento is just a cnut.
I wonder If we did sign Carvahlo or Vidal that means we won't be going in for Strootman.
Not that crazy considering that he is the best midfielder in the world though.
I doubt we'd go for him if we got Vidal but if we sign Carvalho now I still think we'll be in for Strootman in January.
Herrera hasn't been identified by Moyes. He has indentified by SAF' brother, around 2 years before Moyes became manager. All Moyes did on Herrera case, was saying to Woody to not go for him cause he's expensive.
He did get in the starting XI for half of their matches and looked one of the best players on the pitch in both games. The one thing I'd be concerned about is how slow he is on the turn, but he's an extremely impressive young DM aside from that. Not often you get a player with that combination of physique and technique in CM. I'd be delighted if he was our third and last signing to be honest. Another wide player would be nice but isn't absolutely essential.
If I had to bet my money on the odd man out between Vidal, Carvalho and Strootman then that person would be Vidal. I can see us get 1 of those players to be honest, possibly two if VG is aiming for a massive clear out in CM and AMC.
Not in both, he was terrible for us against Ghana.
I get that, but I think other midfielders would suit united better at this moment. Gustavo/ Carvalho ( for the right price) would be who I'd go after.
just waiting for the thread title "/ official bid made" or similar then ill get excited
I have a hunch it's not far away.
I think that would be a bit underwhelming. Three good players but no trace of the world class player most of us had expected. If Carvalho was our second (and last, can't see us buying more than two midfielders, certainly not until January (Strootman)) CM signing, I would expect us to get that luxury winger signing. Sanchez and Di Maria seem to both be available. One of them would make a tremendous difference.
EDIT: Oh, completely forgot: We need a CB badly! No way can Carvalho be our third and last summer signing.
Let's just sign both Carvalho and Vidal, and along with Herrera we can forget any of our pre-existing midfielders exist! 
Let's just sign both Carvalho and Vidal, and along with Herrera we can forget any of our pre-existing midfielders exist!
Where will Ando and Fellaini play in that midfield?
Don't think Strootman and Carvahlo are to similar? I won't be complaining though.
Carrick
Vidal - Herrera
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Carvalho
Strootman - Herrera
Which looks better? I like the latter personally. Completely hypothetical obviously.
Don't think they're similar at all. Strootman is a passer, Carvalho is a tackler. Herrera is a bit of both. Seems like a very well-balanced three-man midfield.
Vidal - Herrera
vs.
Carvalho
Strootman - Herrera
Which looks better? I like the latter personally. Completely hypothetical obviously.
Don't think they're similar at all. Strootman is a passer, Carvalho is a tackler. Herrera is a bit of both. Seems like a very well-balanced three-man midfield.
One will be back in Brazil and one will be playing for the rest of the dirty feckers at Stoke City
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