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Some of the rumours has United's representatives in Lisbon to talk to Benfica for their £16m-rated midfielder Nico Gaitan, while others have them there to talk to Sporting Lisbon about Carvalho. Which one if any is true?

As for Carvalho buy out clause of €45m, I don't think any of the clubs interested are offering any where near that type of money. I read a rumour where Chelsea have offered £11m and some players on loan.
 
Twigg said:
If we do sign Carvalho I assume it'd be for a specialized role, he'll be our destroyer and he'll sit deep and provide defensive cover, giving grounds for Herrera and co., to get forward. He was really being hyped up a few months ago when we were last being linked with him, so going off that I'd look forward to having him here.
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You get a feeling he could be just another anderson, which is why vidal would maybe the better option if available, maybe the club feels he is more available without a saga than vidal
 
Canuckred64 said:
Some of the rumours has United's representatives in Lisbon to talk to Benfica for their £16m-rated midfielder Nico Gaitan, while others have them there to talk to Sporting Lisbon about Carvalho. Which one if any is true?
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Considering the sources, I'm inclined to say there's more truth in the Carvalho one. ZeroZero don't post rumours much, especially from their own sources.

Canuckred64 said:
As for Carvalho buy out clause of €45m, I don't think any of the clubs interested are offering any where near that type of money. I read a rumour where Chelsea have offered £11m and some players on loan.
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There's no chance in hell Bruno de Carvalho would let William leave for anywhere near £11m regardless of who went on loan.
 
I don't want us spending £43m on him when that, or a bit more would maybe get us Vidal.
 
Santos J said:
Considering the sources, I'm inclined to say there's more truth in the Carvalho one. ZeroZero don't post rumours much, especially from their own sources.



There's no chance in hell Bruno de Carvalho would let William leave for anywhere near £11m regardless of who went on loan.
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I know £11m is ridiculously low but £36m seems way to high for someone with one good season behind him. Likely somewhere in the middle would be reasonable £24m maybe.
 
Canuckred64 said:
I know £11m is ridiculously low but £36m seems way to high for someone with one good season behind him. Likely somewhere in the middle would be reasonable £24m maybe.
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For us we'd prefer that but from a Sporting perspective it would make no sense. Maybe under the last sporting director that would have happened but under Bruno de Carvalho there's next to no chance of him leaving for anything less than £30m.
 
Santos J said:
For us we'd prefer that but from a Sporting perspective it would make no sense. Maybe under the last sporting director that would have happened but under Bruno de Carvalho there's next to no chance of him leaving for anything less than £30m.
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For that price, we should sign Schneiderlin or Iturraspe.

Is Carvalho any good, can we trust him defensively ?
 
JPRouve said:
For that price, we should sign Schneiderlin or Iturraspe.

Is Carvalho any good, can we trust him defensively ?
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William has higher ceilings than both for me I'd say. Would have taken Iturraspe over Herrera from Bilbao if I had the choice though.

But yeah, he's been deployed as an out and out defensive midfielder all season, built physically a beast and he's like a brick wall to get through.
 
JPRouve said:
For that price, we should sign Schneiderlin or Iturraspe.

Is Carvalho any good, can we trust him defensively ?
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He looks like an absolute monster defensively. Not convinced the two you mentioned are or ever will be top quality.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
He looks like an absolute monster defensively. Not convinced the two you mentioned are or ever will be top quality.
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They are not top quality but they are valuable on the market, they are very good players in the two best league in the world while Carvalho has only 1 season behind him at 22, I've seen players like him in ligue 1 who were incredible during the course of one season and just disappeared (Ndinga, M'vila, Chantome, Capoue, Sissoko, Gonalons, even Alou Diarra).

Purchasing him for +30m£ seems a bad idea, and i see a lot of people who are talking about his high ceilling and i can't help myself but thinking that it's bullshit, how do they know that, he hasn't been truly tested yet ?
 
Twigg said:
If we do sign Carvalho I assume it'd be for a specialized role, he'll be our destroyer and he'll sit deep and provide defensive cover, giving grounds for Herrera and co., to get forward. He was really being hyped up a few months ago when we were last being linked with him, so going off that I'd look forward to having him here.
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Definitely. He'll be used to counteract Herrera's runs from midfield and Mata mainly operating in the final third when we are in possession. It's clear that balance is key in van Gaal's midfield and the three will comprise of a destroyer/holding midfielder, box-to-box midfielder and offensive midfielder, so a midfield of Carvalho, Herrera and Mata would seem self-explanatory.
 
Have seen very little of Carvahlo but I hear he's talented, though very overpriced atm.

Obviously I'd prefer an established star like Vidal but, realistically, that was always going to be a very difficult deal to pull off. Plus a proper DM would probably make sense beside Herrera, whereas Vidal is really another box to box player.

If we went for Carvahlo we'd obviously be taking a big risk but if LVG is confident that he's good enough then who are we to argue? This is also one of those rare occasions where I'd take Moyes' opinion on board too. Whatever faults Moyes had (and god knows there were plenty) he was a good judge of talent and he did put an awful lot of due diligence and caution into any potential signings. If two managers as different as him and LVG are both willing to spend big money on this guy...

Also, is there any chance we could use Bebe as part of any deal? He did have a good season in Portugal after all, maybe they'd be interested...
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I want dynamism in our midfield. This guy doesn't seem the most mobile player to me.
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It's possible that having Carvalho in our midfield would allow our other two midfielders to be more dynamic. He will give them freedom to move around and be more mobile. So, in a sense, signing a non-dynamic midfielder would have the opposite effect. Of course it's just my opinion and we can't know for sure until it happens.
 
I can't really get the hype about Carvalho. I tried my best to get on the hype train, even managed to catch a couple of Sporting games and watch a couple of youtube videos but I still got the same impression every time. He can't just kill a ball under his feet with his first touch, he finds it very difficult to shift his weight while running with the ball and the weight of his passes are just off most of the time. I get a feeling most of you are just trying too hard to think he's the next Yaya Toure when he doesn't even come close to match Toure's amazing athleticism, level of technique and intelligence.

I'd rather have someone with a bit more technique and speed in defensive midfield that can give more of a positive contribution to our build up play. I hope I'm proven wrong if we do sign him but right now I fear he suffers the same limitations as Fellaini in that role. In the premier league he will be found out.
 
Twigg said:
It's possible that having Carvalho in our midfield would allow our other two midfielders to be more dynamic. He will give them freedom to move around and be more mobile. So, in a sense, signing a non-dynamic midfielder would have the opposite effect. Of course it's just my opinion and we can't know for sure until it happens.
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Why not just stick with Carrick then? Not the most mobile, but great on the ball and reads the game well.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I want dynamism in our midfield. This guy doesn't seem the most mobile player to me.
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Yeah, I feel the same. If we get him we have to play 3 actual midfielders. With our current squad I think we would do better with 2 box to box midfielders (Herrera + Strootman for example) and 4 attacking players than 4-3-3.
 
Kill 'em all said:
I can't really get the hype about Carvalho. I tried my best to get on the hype train, even managed to catch a couple of Sporting games and watch a couple of youtube videos but I still got the same impression every time. He can't just kill a ball under his feet with his first touch, he finds it very difficult to shift his weight while running with the ball and the weight of his passes are just off most of the time. I get a feeling most of you are just trying too hard to think he's the next Yaya Toure when he doesn't even come close to match Toure's amazing athleticism, level of technique and intelligence.
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Doubt it considering in terms of playing style he and Toure are nothing alike.
 
Kill 'em all said:
I can't really get the hype about Carvalho. I tried my best to get on the hype train, even managed to catch a couple of Sporting games and watch a couple of youtube videos but I still got the same impression every time. He can't just kill a ball under his feet with his first touch, he finds it very difficult to shift his weight while running with the ball and the weight of his passes are just off most of the time. I get a feeling most of you are just trying too hard to think he's the next Yaya Toure when he doesn't even come close to match Toure's amazing athleticism, level of technique and intelligence.
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From the bit I've seen he certainly couldn't be more different to Toure. Carvahlo looks like a proper specialist DM to me, though people who watch him more might know better. But yeah, if anyone is expecting a Toure clone they'll be very disappointed.
 
Borys said:
Yeah, I feel the same. If we get him we have to play 3 actual midfielders. With our current squad I think we would do better with 2 box to box midfielders (Herrera + Strootman for example) and 4 attacking players than 4-3-3.
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Strootman and Herrera would be too offensive for my liking, so unless our defence suddenly turns world class, we could be leaking in two goals a game.
 
Kill 'em all said:
I can't really get the hype about Carvalho. I tried my best to get on the hype train, even managed to catch a couple of Sporting games and watch a couple of youtube videos but I still got the same impression every time. He can't just kill a ball under his feet with his first touch, he finds it very difficult to shift his weight while running with the ball and the weight of his passes are just off most of the time. I get a feeling most of you are just trying too hard to think he's the next Yaya Toure when he doesn't even come close to match Toure's amazing athleticism, level of technique and intelligence.
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People who compare him to Yaya Toure has never seen him play. He is a holding midfielder in the mold of javi Martinez, Patrick Viera or Alex Song. And his passing is exceptional, I do not know what you mean by saying his weight of pass is of
 
Kill 'em all said:
I can't really get the hype about Carvalho. I tried my best to get on the hype train, even managed to catch a couple of Sporting games and watch a couple of youtube videos but I still got the same impression every time. He can't just kill a ball under his feet with his first touch, he finds it very difficult to shift his weight while running with the ball and the weight of his passes are just off most of the time. I get a feeling most of you are just trying too hard to think he's the next Yaya Toure when he doesn't even come close to match Toure's amazing athleticism, level of technique and intelligence.

I'd rather have someone with a bit more technique and speed in defensive midfield that can give more of a positive contribution to our build up play. I hope I'm proven wrong if we do sign him but right now I fear he suffers the same limitations as Fellaini in that role. In the premier league he will be found out.
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Feel absolutely the same about him, except the bit about Toure. He's more like Mikel of Chelsea. I'd also say that his weight of passing isn't off, but his passing certainly isn't 'amazing' which somebody actually claimed on here. If his passing is amazing, I don't know what words we'd need to use for Verratti's.
I think he's do better than Fellaini (which isn't saying all that much, mind you), because unlike the Belgian he actually has a degree of footballing brain and a clue as to where a midfielder should position himself. That's without mentioning his superior technique (superior, but not out of this world.)

I completely agree that people are trying to see a superstar in him.
Average performances are being praised and used as evidence that we should be 'in for him', and I, like you, just don't see it at all.
Maybe he's going to be some world beater, but I've seen little to indicate he's anything more than a good young player, who'll end up somewhere within that huge bracket of 'good, but not great' players as he gets older.
 
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Amadaeus said:
People who compare him to Yaya Toure has never seen him play. He is a holding midfielder in the mold of javi Martinez, Patrick Viera or Alex Song. And his passing is exceptional, I do not know what you mean by saying his weight of pass is of
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Maybe not playing style, but he certainly moves like Toure, and trots around too often for my liking. He seems lazy off the ball.
 
Amadaeus said:
Because Carrick get bypassed easily in midfield and is barely a prensence in their.

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Please don't show me youtube videos @Amadaeus, because I could easily get a few clips of when Carvalho got bypassed easily against Ghana.

I'm not trying to say this guy isn't good - I've only watched him a couple of times. I would just personally like someone with a bit more mobility.
 
Ander is agile enough for both he and Carvalho, but the fee for such an unproven talent doesn't sound too enticing for me. I'd much rather hold out for Strootman, or try sign Gustavo, Schweinsteiger or Vidal.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Ander is agile enough for both he and Carvalho, but the fee for such an unproven talent doesn't sound too enticing for me. I'd much rather hold out for Strootman, or try sign Schweinsteiger or Vidal.
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Everyone would prefer Vidal.

But I wouldn't complain if we got Carvalho.
 
Twigg said:
Strootman and Herrera would be too offensive for my liking, so unless our defence suddenly turns world class, we could be leaking in two goals a game.
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By the stats I assume Ander is quite good defensively, him and Strootman would definitely be enough for most opponents in the league.
Defence problem is overplayed IMO, our team lacked balance in the middle last season because Carrick needs a mobile partner with good positioning. Neither of Cleverley, Fletcher and Fellaini has those two attributes.
Strootman-Herrera midfield would be much better defensively than Carrick+anyone we played last two seasons.
I understand your concerns, but IMO it’s not about being too offensive, it’s about defensive skills and mobility. Being offensive is also about instructions.
 
Some absolutely bizarre comparisons in here. Nothing like Toure. Nothing like Mikel. Nothing like Vieira, who was never a DM for those who seem to have reinvented him as such. I think Martinez is the best comparison with any current player, but, you know, he isn't black, so people seem to find it strangely hard to visualise.
 
Bojan11 said:
Everyone would prefer Vidal.

But I wouldn't complain if we got Carvalho.
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Added in Gustavo too. I think he'd have the same effect as Carvalho, just far more seasoned with big game experience and a lot quicker off the mark.
I wouldn't complain either, it's just he'd probably be a 'rank C' choice for me, personally.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Added in Gustavo too. I think he'd have the same effect as Carvalho, just far more seasoned with big game experience and a lot quicker off the mark.
I wouldn't complain either, it's just he'd probably be a 'rank C' choice for me, personally.
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He wouldn't be in my top three. But I'm just glad we addressing our midfield problems and going to start the season with two new CMs.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
Some absolutely bizarre comparisons in here. Nothing like Toure. Nothing like Mikel. Nothing like Vieira, who was never a DM for those who seem to have reinvented him as such. I think Martinez is the best comparison with any current player, but, you know, he isn't black, so people seem to find it strangely hard to visualise.
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So he is a Javi martinez type of player ? I like that.

Does he defends like a midfielder or a defender ?
 
I think we will sign Carvalho. I think were make two more signings, this one and De Virj
 
Honestly £50m for Vidal would be money much better spent. Luiz Gustavo for £25m as well, much better value.

Would be pleased if we got him but not ecstatic.
 
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