The Toure comparison is almost as lazy and for the same reasons
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The Toure comparison is almost as lazy and for the same reasons
More like Patrick Vieira. I think he´d also be a good fit for Arsenal, the problem is that he isn´t named William Carvalheaux or else Wenger would move for him
Hardly. The gif I saw posted from his game last weekend where he went on a run from deep is very reminiscent of Toure. When Fellaini tried to do similar against Bayern it ended up with a throw-in on the half way line. The goal he scored today showed a lot of composure. Again something Toure has which Fellaini doesn't. My point of comparing him to Yaya Toure is that it is a better comparison than Fellaini IMO. Like I said I haven't seem a whole lot of him but when I have that is my take on it. Sly is in a far better position to judge him and he likens him to Vieira so that is probably the best comparison.
Well there you go then. Gifs change everything.
Watching him today for the first time in a full match he reminded me of Carrick. His defensive style wasn't full of energy or aggressive tackling, instead he just got back into a decent position to cut things out. Low key defending by position instead of closing people down.
On the ball he was composed and passed the ball about with ease with a few long expansive passes too.
The goal was something we've seen Carrick do a handful of times at most. A pass into a front player and movement to take the return and then calmly slotting it home. He's definitely done it before but rarely
They were just standout examples. I have watched a few of his games and that is my general impression.
We could do with replacing Carrick at this stage so he could a job for us there. Him alongside someone with a bit of creativity like Kroos and that could be a very good midfiled.
Think we need 2 midfield signings whatever the case, but if it was to be just the 1, I think it'd be more important for us to go for the creative, playmaker type midfielder, like Gundogan, rather then Carvalho. If we got just him then we'd still have too many defensive midfielders and nobody really to unlock defences, play forward passes or make the runs forward to help out the attackers. He's a very good player from the little I've seen and with plenty of potential, but we need both a player like him and a playmaker.
Gif of the goal for those who haven´t seen it
Gif of the goal for those who haven´t seen it
He got through a little easy but still showed a desire to burst into the box that we don't really get from our deeper midfield players at the moment. Also showed good touch when receiving the lay-off to take it beyond the defender and good composure with the finish.
I'm getting high hopes about this kid in a United shirt.
According to the portuguese press, United watched him again yesterday
http://www.record.xl.pt/Futebol/Nacional/1a_liga/interior.aspx?content_id=876534
http://www.record.xl.pt/Futebol/Nacional/1a_liga/interior.aspx?content_id=876534
I sure fecking hope we've already agreed with him and Sporting. Get his signature before the World Cup. I don't think I could handle the wait.
This deal seems like a foregone conclusion. If we sign a creative, dictating playmaker along with Carvalho, hopefully that's our midfield rectified for years to come.
Why are we scouting him so many times? Surely by now our management team should know if they want him or not.
Maybe we're confident he's ours and we're just monitoring his performances.
Hopefully they bloody do and are just watching him for personal interest. This Moyes deterring report can be that bad.
If we can get him and Shaw for 40m pounds I'll be very happy with that.
We'll massively improve 2 positions.
We'll massively improve 2 positions.
More like £60 million.
Both are very young tho. I think we'll get them around 20m each and future fees depending on won trophies etc...
I believe their is a reason to be cautious considering the fee being mentioned. Moreover, assesing our midfield option for next season, we would have many players occupying this central midfield role. (if we were to get another box to box creative playmaker beside him like Kroos or Gündogan; the central midfielders we need). So our staff might think if such an addition is necessary, when they just spluged £27m on Fellaini last summer.
If you look at our midfield option if taking into account two more addition, we will Carrick, Carvalho, Cleverley, Fletcher, Fellaini, New cm(?), Powell(?) all vying for mostly two roles in our team. We will have too many fringe players, unless we sell at least one of our current central midfield option. And looking at the list aforementioned, it might be hard for Moyes to decide who to let go considering these players services to the club.
Personally, I will say Carrick and Carvalho should play the holding role. Gündogan and Fellaini box to box. While, Fletcher or cleverley becomes fringe player and Powell goes out on loan until Carrick retires. If the latter will be converted to a dynamic box to box midfielder ala Ramsey.
This is bound to end it tears.
how can they be sure that united scouts were looking at one particular player out if 22 on pitch?
Is there anyone else from Sporting that we're likely to have been watching all season and have been linked with a lot?
They could have just been watching our lad on loan who is tearing up that league. But yeah, there seems to be something in these rumors, sometimes you just feel like they are more than just rumors, and this feels like one of those times.
Feels very much like the Kagawa transfer. For a good 3/4 months before it became official, just confidently felt as if he's ours.
Portuguese clubs don't sell for anything less than the release clause. If we want him, we will have to pay the full 37m to get him and nothing less.
I don't think it's necessary as yet to worry about options becoming too many for the spots available in the first eleven . We need to make sure that we have enough quality to go toe to toe with the best first then look to rationalize the numbers after we have rebuilt that department from a quality perspective . Carrick is gone in the next two years and Cleverley might need to restart his career in a less demanding environment whilst the jury is still out on the actual usefulness of Fellaini .
About watching him again, I would have hoped that we have moved past deciding and we are already in the dealmaking process . If we need to watch one player for more than a dozen times then the events of last summer will rear their ugly head again .
Well in a scouting mission they can watch any player on a pitch but since it was about the 16th time an United scout was at a Sporting match this year, you can reduce the probability to the eleven Sporting players. Then you can reduce those 11 even more, since we have players that obviously don´t interest United (whether it´s quality wise or the fact that you don´t need certain positions). If we continue the speculation and since i know Sporting very well i could reduce United´s potencial interest in Sporting players down to two standout performers this year, William Carvalho and Rojo. If we go by the standarts a big club like United should have, by their present needs and persistent media rumours, i would take a guess it´s indeed on probable player of the year in Portugal, William Carvalho.
Not really. I already explained this. Release clauses are standart contract procedure in Portugal but 90% of the actual deals are made by negotiation. Very few cases have been by the release clause and were done under special circunstancies.
He's built like a tank.
Anyone who's watched him regularly can comment on his mobility? Is he slow to move around or is he mobile?
Anyone who's watched him regularly can comment on his mobility? Is he slow to move around or is he mobile?
I have not seen him regularly, but from that GIF alone you can see he is far from slow. Seem's quite explosive the way he accelerated with the 1-2 pass. Whether he can do that 10 times a match though is a different question.
I meant more in terms of his style when playing CM. Carrick'esque or Fletch? Does he close people down or does he stand off?
He looks like a man playing in a children's match. Sign this beast up.
He plays in a 3 man midfield at the base, so he uses more interception skills than running around like a headless chicken. Whether he can do that side of the game is hard to say - as he has never really been required too. Tactically though seems a clever player.
So he's a defensively midfielder?
With him, Carrick, Fellaini and fletcher all being defence minded midfielders (or at best those that tick things over in an attacking sense at best), it seems rather excessive unless we get rid of a few.
With him, Carrick, Fellaini and fletcher all being defence minded midfielders (or at best those that tick things over in an attacking sense at best), it seems rather excessive unless we get rid of a few.
I see. With the number of times we've scouted him, we ought to know.
Not one of those three is a good option going forward at DM.
But they're still a part of our squad.
Fellaini is never going to be a good enough DM for us, Carrick will need replacing and sadly it doesn't look like Fletcher's at that level either. If you look at Chelsea they have Matic, Mikel and Ramires which is roughly comparable to our options and I reckon if we're bringing just one in we can probably get away with letting just one go.
For now. It wouldn't concern me one bit if any of those three moved on at the end of this season. And yes I include Fletcher in that - great to see him playing again but he's going to be a bit part player only if we're genuinely looking to compete at the highest level
Not really
Carrick is growing old, Fletcher has a chronic illness problem and Fellaini is pretty average. Not to forget that if we're going to play 4-2-3-1 with Mata/Kagawa/Rooney behind the main striker then we need 2 quality Defensive minded midfielders.
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