He did so well bulldozing through those players, I knew the final pass was going to be a disappointment. Through ball down either flank would have been grand Will!William Carvalho
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He did so well bulldozing through those players, I knew the final pass was going to be a disappointment. Through ball down either flank would have been grand Will!I think it's time for me to stop coming into this thread. These gifs are getting me excited... and whenever that happens in the transfer forum, we never actually buy the bugger.
Every time I enter this thread, I hope there's been a new update regarding him actually joining us.
The usual weekly Carvalho gif routine (yesterday´s game):
Good gif, keep it up
. I have not been this excited for a possible signing since we got Kagawa!
Yeah that´s actually what some folks at the Sporting forum also said. But the game was about to end and William was just trying to keep the ball out of our half and didn´t define the play rationally. I´ve seen him do plays with splitting flank passes. Saturday´s match was very important, against a very difficult team (hence the 1-0 hard fought win). Very good weekend for us since Porto lost yesterday, we are now 8 points ahead of them with 5 games left for the direct qualification Champions League spot.
This kid is already streets ahead of Fellaini
Terrible decision with the final pass there.
Except he is totally unproven in the PL so it's pretty much impossible to tell at this point.
Agreed. Fellaini is also an established Belgian internacional. Carvalho doing the first steps on the Portuguese national team. I´d be more cautious before doing that kind of statements. Carvalho still has alot to prove.
Unlike fergie I don't think Moyes has the luxury of signing young talents for our midfield who might be great for us in the future. He would be better off trying for gundogan or kross who are better experienced and performed at the top level. I might be totally wrong though.
All good until his missed the glaring through ball. Just think if Fellaini had done that?The usual weekly Carvalho gif routine (yesterday´s game):
Don´t think you are wrong, but the question is can you lure kroos to United? Without Champions League appeal? If so, i´d obviously prefer Kroos obviously.
He would be praised from taking the ball away from the opponent and getting it out of the defensive end but criticized by the resolution of the play. I personally cut Carvalho some slack. It was a very difficult game, he was very tired (he worked tremendously hard in that game), was the 93 minute, we were under heavy defensive pressure and he wanted to take the ball away from our half (the game ended after that play). Obviously he didn´t make a good pass but he already proved he can do that kind of plays.
I never really understood this EPL proven thing. It reminds me of Walker's comment of not signing Zidane because Blackburn already had Sherwood. Being EPL proven is so abstract and catch a wide number of players which really make such comment redundant. Nolan, OShea and Fellaini are EPL proven same as Rooney, Gerrard and Suarez are.
If you ask me, one should ask whether Carvalho has the determination, the technical/physical characteristics and the ability to handle pressure to play at a top EPL side. No one knows that. However from what we've seen of Fellaini no one can be sure that he's able to do that either. There's a hell of gap between doing well at some small club who havent won anything for more than a decade and doing well with Manchester United. I think we've all realised it now.
Nationality also means very little. Mid size (in football term) nations tend to have unbalanced sides were they have insanely good players in one position but average players in another. Take Portugal as an example. The nation has produced some of the greatest wingers in the world. Being a regular in that position tend to be tougher then other areas were they may be weak in. Also the coaches preferences has a huge say on who plays and who stay out. Bruce was a great defender but has never played for England, Vialli and Mancini were immense but weren't called for the USA World cup etc
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It is quite simple, the PL is of a higher quality than the top flight in Portugal. Playing well in Portugal is no guarantee that you can play equally well in the PL. Hence "unproven."
What is top flight? From what we've experienced there's an enormous gap between playing with Everton or Aston Villa and playing for a club like Manchester United. I thought watching Fellaini, Cleverley and Foster (who did great at smaller clubs) 'ply their trade' at United would have taught us that.
I dare saying that there's a difference even between the smaller sides themselves. For example there's a bigger possibility that a player who plays with Southampton would make the grade at United then someone who plays with Stoke.
Why wouldn't he be willing, if we pay him the wages he wants. Also, he is a united fan, isn't he. But I should say after reading comments from Munich fans, I don't think he will leave
No idea if he is an United fan. I´m just skeptical he would leave Bayern for an United (at the moment, under this Moyes phase) without Champions League football. Don´t think it just revolves around wages, if it does, then United (with all the financial power) obviously can get him.
My point is that EPL proven is a somehow close minded, simplistic and therefore inaccurate way to judge players. First of all there are much better players then some of the EPL proven ones. Secondly because there's an enormous difference in terms of quality, football ideology and pressure between a small club and a big one. For example Cleverley, Foster, Young and Fellaini were great with smaller EPL sides but failed to make an impact at Manchester United.
The only indication that the EPL proven player would give you is that the player in question is able to settle down in England. That's all.
I still have no idea what you are talking about. I don't think you do, either.
I will repeat myself, just because a player is performing well in the Portuguese first division, does not mean that he will be able to replicate that level of performance in the Premier League. Because the PL is of a higher level.
What part of that do you disagree with?
I will repeat myself, just because a player is performing well in the Portuguese first division, does not mean that he will be able to replicate that level of performance in the Premier League. Because the PL is of a higher level.
What part of that do you disagree with?
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He's never said that he was a United fan.
how much more do we need to scout this lad? just get it done ffs before someone else takes him
Didn't he? My mistake then. But reading bayern fans comments posted on our site. I am not too sure if he will leave bayern. Also, it won't be the first time a player tries to get a payrise out of interest from united
His brother is a United fan.
And I repeat myself once again. There's a big difference between a club like Manchester United and a club like Everton. Honestly if I had to choose between a player who had made a name for himself by slotting perfectly in Everton's direct football and a player who had done really well playing pass to feet football at Lisbon then I would know exactly whom to choose.
What has Everton got to do with anything?
I am not too worried about us being out of the cl. Players are more interested in wages nowadays and far better players have moved away from top clubs for even sillier reasons.
Mentions of Everton in those two posts? Zero.
I give up. I blame myself, I really should know better.
I give up. I blame myself, I really should know better.
It wasn't great, but I think the criticism of the pass is extra, it still looked set to find the over-lapping left back in his forward stride.
You replied to Fellaini's post by saying that its difficult to judge Carvalho since he is not EPL proven. I only highlighted that since the gap between the EPL big clubs (ex Man United) and smaller ones (ex Everton) is enormous, then using the EPL proven thing as a way of judging a player is wrong.
In my opinion Fellaini and Carvalho are at the same level in terms of whether they can succeed at OT or not. Fellaini has the advantage of being older, he's got more experience at national level and had been in England for enough time to say that he can settle in Manchester . Carvalho seem more technically gifted and hes a Lisbon talent ie he's used to pass to feet football which makes him more suitable at United as opposed to Fellaini whose used to the Moyesy 'Everton way'. However if you ask me whom I prefer at OT Id say the latter.
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I'll take a bulldozer with a shit football brain over a couple of still objects.
He reminds me of someone but I just can't think of who and it's really annoying me.
Your making perfect sense. What you have to realise is that people don't recognise a transcendent talent when they see one, for me you have to look at how that player excels in relation to the league he is going too.
For e.g Bale is mainly pace and power, great for the Premiership and English football but in Spain where the football is more intricate he would struggle.
It's the difference between watching Van Nistelrooy or Suarez in Holland or watching Kezman or Huntelaar.
Not all people have the eye but the EPL proving thing is a joke. Real quality player's can play anywhere. They may need time to adjust but quality always comes through 9/10 times. I haven't watched Carvalho so I can't give a fully informed opinion (i'll try and catch a few games). If his game is mainly based on his size and strength then he is not worth the money being touted. But if he has tactical and technical ability to go with it (also factoring in room for growth) then he is a fantastic prospect.
You're right. He does have the tools at his disposal required to make it here though. He's more naturally gifted than the fro. If he can adapt well to the PL he'll be a smash.
Kroos and Carvalho are two different players though, Kroos isn't a defensive midfielder.
To those who watch him, what sort of player is Carvalho exactly? Who does he compare to?
He's a large black man who plays centre midfield, so obviously Viera.
Of course they are different players, i was just answering that in a straight choice i´d pick Kroos. I´m not adressing United needs, just talking about players value. Look i´m Carvalho´s biggest fan (best player in my club atm) but i´d be mad to pick him instead of Kroos, if given choice. Carvalho has one year of portuguese league, Kroos CV speaks for itself.
He's a bridge between Defence, and Midfield/Strikers, he basically reads the game, plugs the danger zones, and breaks up play.
Carvalho anticipates where the ball is going and breaks it up, he tackles but he makes it look easy, he doesn't fly into a challenge he just sweeps up and either runs out with the ball of passes wide or forward depending on what's on.
It would help our defense a lot and give midfield license to attack, also a good player to defend set pieces... he would allow us to have a more balanced attack without and chase some top attacking talent, with Carvalho in place it would mean that we could really overhaul key areas, as he would give us great stability.
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