Yes I was addressing his question in relation to the article that says we have.
You really should consider taking that Xanax we discussed earlier, you seem a little excitable.
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Yes I was addressing his question in relation to the article that says we have.
You really should consider taking that Xanax we discussed earlier, you seem a little excitable.
It's only the People. He is definitely a player we could get though. I'd be far less confident of being able to sign Kroos, which the same people are trying to suggest is on the cards.
You're the one with the issues big lad....
Centre back is slightly less important imo that's why defensive midfielders tend to move back to centre back when they get older, very rarely the other way around.
That said pace is important everywhere on the pitch in modern football. Just look at the success of Dortmund and Liverpool, they absolutely destroy sides with their pace across the field. Liverpool are easily the fastest team in the league across their squad and it really shows, teams can't live with it.
If i'm big lad does that make you small lad?
He hasn't even played 20 games for us yet ffs.
Maybe it's just an issue of preference, but I've always been of the view that centre backs with pace are more important than central midfielders with pace; for me, it's more important that the latter have great mobility and stamina. Reading various threads, a lot of posters are getting pace, mobility and stamina confused.
As a centre back, you have to be an exceptional reader of the game to get by without pace - see Vidic at his best. Problem is, his injuries have reduced his mobility, and he's a shell of the player he was.
Quick centre backs are vital tactically - they allow the entire team to play higher and kill the space for opponents to play - too often, United retreat because of a lack of speed at the back, and it makes it easy for our opponents to play. It's an area we need to look at in the summer, amongst others!
As others have said, United have coped without much pace in central midfield over the years. More important is positioning and ball retention.
Yeah compared to you if you're 8ft 6in. I'm 6ft 2in... No-brainer really!
Obviously if you play an AVB high line then you need pace. But I'd say clearly the best centre back in the league this season has been John Terry, a player who's never had any pace and is even slower now he's getting on in years. You can definitely be slow though and be successful as a centre back in the right system if you couple make up for the lack of pace with positioning and great aerial ability (if you defend deep you're going to face a lot of crosses and aerial balls) which John Terry does.
Midfielders need stamina and acceleration. Stamina to keep running for 90 minutes and acceleration for those 5-15 yards dashes you need to do constantly in midfield. You don't need to classical top speed that players like Overmars, Bale, Navas etc.. have. Again though you can definitely make up for a lack of pace if you either play a massively possession based game (Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets) or if you have runners to do your dirty work (Pirlo, Riquelme, Gerrard this season). But we're not setup for either of those systems. We're setup for a pretty middle of the road system where we do some crossing, some counter attacking and some patient play plus all our creativity is clearly going to be in the front four, as opposed to using a sitting midfielder like Xavi, Pirlo, Alonso, Scholes for our creativity. In that kind of system you need your midfield two behind Mata to be pretty mobile.
To use another Chelsea example, look at how effective David Luiz is in breaking up the play and getting the ball forward to Hazard, Oscar and Willian. David Luiz is a really quick player for a midfielder and as a result he's everywhere, always closing down while Matic uses his positioning to intercept loose balls as a result of Luiz's pressing. I think Carvalho and to a lesser extent Fellaini can both play the Matic role but neither have the mobility to press aggressively like Luiz does. So you end up with two static players who sit there and no one to press and force the mistakes, meaning good sides just pass straight through with no pressure on the ball.
I'm not sure outright pace is particularly important for central midfielders though; they are not likely to be tasked with running beyond players that often, and when they do make runs from midfield, it's generally about timing rather than blowing people away with sheer speed.
I do think having some energy in the midfield is important though, but that is more about stamina than pace, and can always be compensated for elsewhere. You probably wouldn't pair Xabi Alonso and Pirlo together in a midfield two, but Khedira does a good job of offsetting Alonso's weaknesses, just as Marchisio and Vidal do with Pirlo, and Henderson does with Gerrard. Carvalho/Carrick, paired with an energetic creative player like Herrera or Gundogan, looks well-balanced to me.
Any info on this dude?
I'd be delighted (only if he came to us of course) & shocked if he left Bayern to be honest NC. If we can get a few top-class additions sorted before the summer, then that could be the sweetner for him to come here.
There's a German Bundesliga know-it-all that comes on Talksport each week & he said that there's no chance Kroos will leave Bayern, thats he's just using us to get the bumper paydeal. He was saying that Kroos wants to be recognised financially as an important cog in the Bayern machine, and with that, he wants to be on the same sort of money - £90-100k per week. Ribery's on something like £110-120k per week.
I was thinkin yer man was gonna say Kroos wants some sort of figure like £200k per week etc. But nah, he wants close to £100k. We could double that shit & more if we had to, and apparantly we are prepared to do just that. So maybe £200k+ a week might get his head turned - he's won everything at Bayern too, so he might be up for a move to us & its not just bumper pay bullshit!
Agree with this, you can have slow midfielders when paired with high energy midfielders.
To be truly effectively though I think Carvalho needs to be a Makelele with a Vieira and Zidane playing ahead of him. He's a bit more creative than Makelele but he's that kind of player. We've got our Zidane in Mata but Fellaini doesn't have anything like the energy of Vieira.
I think we need to move on from Carrick as a starter. He's too slow (and he's no Pirlo to make up for it) and getting slower.
Right so the good ol' Youtube clips....seems a traditional Defensive midfielder....a bit slow, positioning is excellent but above all, an absolute GIANT in the middle of the park!
It's hard to be believe he's only 6ft 1 1/2. He's looks massive.
Can you see Carrick being moved into CB to fill Rio's ball-playin void?
If we get the midfielders in we need, i can see Moyes thinkin about it to be honest. Not sure Carrick would be game-on for that shizzle though..
yeah interesting thought....not a bad shout if he's up for it.
Hates the rain though...
good read, thank you.
People saying he's slow, he's not... he is just always in a good position to make an interception and a tackle, against bigger teams he can use that big frame to defend headers, or lurk at the edge of the box to sweep, another thing is in the big games he can be at the edge of the box to make crucial blocks if there's a player who likes to hit them from that range... he will be hard to beat.
I have seen Carvalho sprint, and he's not slow, he's always in a good position so he doesn't really need to sprint, another thing is, if you are full-out sprinting and a ball gets fired at you, you need to slow down, take it under control, and then accelerate again, no footballer on the planet can be full-out sprint and control the ball, you need to stop momentarily to take the ball under control.
Carvalhos role is to defend, and to retain possession, so he is always in a position to receive the ball, shield it, and pass it, that's why he isn't bursting around the pitch like he's just had 50 cans of red bull.
Also the comparison with Fellaini is rubbish, Fellaini is a box to box player, completely different, Carvalho is much more disciplined.
Carvalho is a key component to a rebuild during the summer, another two world class midfielders with him, a CB, LB and a Winger, and suddenly United are going to be competing next year.
I have seen Carvalho sprint, and he's not slow, he's always in a good position so he doesn't really need to sprint, another thing is, if you are full-out sprinting and a ball gets fired at you, you need to slow down, take it under control, and then accelerate again, no footballer on the planet can be full-out sprint and control the ball, you need to stop momentarily to take the ball under control.
Carvalhos role is to defend, and to retain possession, so he is always in a position to receive the ball, shield it, and pass it, that's why he isn't bursting around the pitch like he's just had 50 cans of red bull.
Also the comparison with Fellaini is rubbish, Fellaini is a box to box player, completely different, Carvalho is much more disciplined.
Carvalho is a key component to a rebuild during the summer, another two world class midfielders with him, a CB, LB and a Winger, and suddenly United are going to be competing next year.
It might feel like a demotion to him though. By which i mean, shifting from the main action area to a lesser one - depending on the opposition of course!
I could see it happening in all honesty, if it meant he prolonged his United career into his mid-30's. Martinez (Bayern) shifts from CB to CM all the time, but they have an embarrassment of riches in CM though. Would be great if we did too by the start of the new season!
We need Carvalho in the CM, with a midfield 3, he'd be our ball-winner.
No probs. Luckily i remembered what page it was on, considering i suffer from short-term memory loss..
I reckon Guardiola would play Carrick at centre back, but it's hard to imagine Moyes being that progressive. Carrick normally looks a bit crap at centre back but he was good yesterday where I expected Carroll to absolutely boss him out of the game.
Ok, thats alll you needed to say. Off to a new thread for me.
No probs. Luckily i remembered what page it was on, considering i suffer from short-term memory loss..
I think Moyes would if we had top-class CM additions. I reckon Carrick could grow into the role very well & his passing ability outta defence would be immense. He has that effortless Martinez style about him (or the other way round of course) & Carrick does a great job defending the last third - especially at corners & clearances, so its in his locker to play CB quite easily & he never gives away silly fouls, so peno's against would be to a minimum from him..
@Red Hand Devil Quit spamming the hell out of this thread. Over the past two pages you've made a lot of posts, almost all of them have nothing to do with Carvalho 
Sorry, i think you misunderstood me man. I was on about Carrick playin CB - not Carvalho..
I don't think it's possible, Carrick I don't think can make any sort of challenge, he would struggle with a player running at him, Martinez is capable because he can stick a foot in, Carrick doesn't do that, Carrick wasn't tested against West ham.
@Red Hand Devil Quit spamming the hell out of this thread. Over the past two pages you've made a lot of posts, almost all of them have nothing to do with Carvalho
What - i'm spamming? Have you read through the 12 pages? Flaming Nora....
Bizarre accusation...
Carvalho is just the type of beast we need to scare the living shit out of teams. Him & Fellaini together could be called "Halloween 1 & Holloween 2"
Disagree man. Rio was never one for jumpin into a challenge, he used his positioning & body to protect his area. Vida was the bruiser, thats why they were the best CB partnership in the world for a number of years - they had the perfect balance...
Hearing he's been signed, any confirmation?
It's all over twitter...but could be bollocks.
I read it in the "Sunday people" source BBC Gossip
They're all gettin the story from the "People" & the "Sunday Mirror" today...
Websites all around the world are publishing the same shit (almost word for word) from those spreads:
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Football/Premier+League/Manchester+United
I've watched him quite a few times now, and he isn't rapid across short distances, but in the few times he's had to sprint there are no deficiencies there.
I think his movements, and some other qualities actually, are quite similar to Paul Pogba. He is no Yaya, not necessarily because he is too slow to be, but because he rarely passes the halfway line.
As for speed in general, it isn't necessarily the most important asset in central midfielder. Personally, I like the idea of one midfielder with the ability to run with the ball. It can open up a game in an instant and give great variety. The likes of Oxlade , Wilshere or Toure are more difficult to contain as they can burst past 3 in a central area. This nullifies any opposition tactics. It is for this reason I have some reservations over Kroos, and between the two may be leaning towards Gundogan. Such players are also very useful off the ball too, like Fernandinho for example, who close apace aggressively.
I think his movements, and some other qualities actually, are quite similar to Paul Pogba. He is no Yaya, not necessarily because he is too slow to be, but because he rarely passes the halfway line.
As for speed in general, it isn't necessarily the most important asset in central midfielder. Personally, I like the idea of one midfielder with the ability to run with the ball. It can open up a game in an instant and give great variety. The likes of Oxlade , Wilshere or Toure are more difficult to contain as they can burst past 3 in a central area. This nullifies any opposition tactics. It is for this reason I have some reservations over Kroos, and between the two may be leaning towards Gundogan. Such players are also very useful off the ball too, like Fernandinho for example, who close apace aggressively.
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