You made the comparison? You said United was worse before he came. It's different than saying than the current team would be worse without him.
It was true the season he joined though obviously.
Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?
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It was true the season he joined though obviously.
In comparison to the legends we had while actually winning trophies, no..
but he can be a bright spot during a dark period for the club.. we'll need to win premier leagues and champions leagues if he wants to be remembered as a legend.
but he can be a bright spot during a dark period for the club.. we'll need to win premier leagues and champions leagues if he wants to be remembered as a legend.
It's not the right time to ask that question — his standing among the fanbase is at an all-time low. I'm not his fan boy and I do wish that we'd swap him for someone like Wirtz in a considerable future but people are going way over the top with their criticism lately (as well as retrospectively undermining his past achievements).
I think he's certainly a cult player but what keeps me from considering him as our potential legend is the complete lack of notable big game performances. You don't have to win the league or play in a great team to become a legend — Robson became one way before he won the league for example & Hughes (who is a legend in my book, albeit not in the first tier) too... but you have to perform in big games even (or, rather, especially) when we're the underdogs.
I think he's certainly a cult player but what keeps me from considering him as our potential legend is the complete lack of notable big game performances. You don't have to win the league or play in a great team to become a legend — Robson became one way before he won the league for example & Hughes (who is a legend in my book, albeit not in the first tier) too... but you have to perform in big games even (or, rather, especially) when we're the underdogs.
He's been the best creator in the league behind KDB ever since his arrival. A chance creating machine, world class player, availability freak, loves the club, gives everything he has...and a lot of United supporters hate him, because they think they know how tactics work and Bruno is apparently holding the team back because he loses the ball often 
Same with Rashford. One of the best left wingers in the world, been at the club since he was a kid, and hated by the fans.
Hope they lift the PL or CL with United, they deserve to. Same with Shaw.
Same with Rashford. One of the best left wingers in the world, been at the club since he was a kid, and hated by the fans.
Hope they lift the PL or CL with United, they deserve to. Same with Shaw.
I feel to be a club legend anywhere, you're ideally home-grown or alternatively have spent at least the best part of a decade at the club, while also winning important stuff.
Man Utd was relegated in 1973-74 and Robson arrived in 1981, so the expectations were not very high.
We won the last EPL in 2013 and Bruno arrived in 2019, so the expectations have been (and still are) really high.
This makes a huge difference!
Bruno plays every game, he tries hard every game from start to finish, he covers the whole field, he has been our best player in the past 5 years ... all that are similar to Robson. But it is not enough for Bruno because our expectations are now very different. Sure, Bruno has bad games (but he still runs and tries) ... and actually Robson had bad games too, but again that's not the defining difference, it is our expectations that are vastly different.
Basically, Bruno has to win the EPL or else he will not be considered a legend, no matter what else he does.
Legend? Not a chance.
Cult hero at a push maybe, needs to actually be a big part in us winning a lot more than we have done for him to get anywhere close to legendary status.
No, because it's highly likely that he won't win the best trophies with us.
I'm sure the fans will still sing his name after he leaves, but I don't think he'll be legend status.
I'm sure the fans will still sing his name after he leaves, but I don't think he'll be legend status.
No, never.
I'm just curious to know, what those of you with young kids tell them about the current Man Utd? Do you tell them this is shit, and they're wasting their time with us? Do any of them have any posters of players in their room? Or do you get them to put up posters of the managers instead?
I'm genuinely curious about this, because our fanbase has such a toxic relationship with its players. Liverpool as shit as they were - their fans had never turned on their players or created/fuelled some of the toxicity around the club that's been ever present for the last 5 years here.
I'm genuinely curious about this, because our fanbase has such a toxic relationship with its players. Liverpool as shit as they were - their fans had never turned on their players or created/fuelled some of the toxicity around the club that's been ever present for the last 5 years here.
So this is losing his mind?
You must live in a monastery or something.
So being better than that bunch of a lot of shitty players makes him a legend then? Wouldn't be my definition but powers to you and some of the other posters in here. I think, it de-values the term legend but I guess it is at least consequential to establish a true banter club. I mean, seriously, a legend because he is better than then Lingard, Pereira, Weghorst, Greenwood, Rashford, Dan James, 37y/o Ronaldo and Martial?
It is fairly easy question. But again nice to see you being the one pointing out how to post the correct way.
Man so many fantastic players. You really have to wonder what happend that we continued to be a bad team despite all this talent.He's been the best creator in the league behind KDB ever since his arrival. A chance creating machine, world class player, availability freak, loves the club, gives everything he has...and a lot of United supporters hate him, because they think they know how tactics work and Bruno is apparently holding the team back because he loses the ball often
Same with Rashford. One of the best left wingers in the world, been at the club since he was a kid, and hated by the fans.
Hope they lift the PL or CL with United, they deserve to. Same with Shaw.
Zero chance. What legendary feats has he achieved?
At what point would Fernandes go down as a United legend ? That word is far too thrown about and easily labelled, at times Fernandes has been a great player but never a legend nor looking likely that will ever be.
If someone said to me to list a name of legends I’d say Duncan Edwards, Sir Bobby, Sir Matt, Denis Law, George Best, Roger Byrne, Bill Foulkes, Nobby Stiles, Sir Alex, Cantona, Bryan Robson, Schmeichel, Keane, Giggs, Scholes, Ronaldo from his first stint and Rooney and Fernandes is nowhere near any of them.
If someone said to me to list a name of legends I’d say Duncan Edwards, Sir Bobby, Sir Matt, Denis Law, George Best, Roger Byrne, Bill Foulkes, Nobby Stiles, Sir Alex, Cantona, Bryan Robson, Schmeichel, Keane, Giggs, Scholes, Ronaldo from his first stint and Rooney and Fernandes is nowhere near any of them.
Ugh, you again.
Sorry for looking for an actual debate rather. It's a bit hard to engage with people who provide yes/no answers with no further explanation. I was interesting in where people draw the line for what's a legend or not. Someone hinted at the three statues in front of Old Trafford. There's a pretty big leap from that to Carrick (for instance).
I find such discussions interesting because they are open to interpretation. Fergie claims to have only coached 4 world class players (Cantona, Giggs, Scholes and Ronaldo). Now that is an interesting perspective that tells you how much opinions can differ.
Mata and Herrera weren't as good as him and we rarely even regular starters. Bruno is the captain and often the best player. I'd put him closer to the likes of DDG, RVN or Carrick. Not legends but very good players for multiple seasons.
They've also had long spells where they've done nothing. Bruno hasn't.
The three players you listed are definitely a level or two above Bruno in legend status at the club.
He’s been so much better than them though. He’s been fantastic for us in parts in a time where that’s very difficult to do.
Not a chance. He can't hold a torch to the true legends of this club.
Not for me. Unless we suddenly start winning the league and cups.
The only two current players who may one day go onto be legends are Mainoo and Garnacho.
The only two current players who may one day go onto be legends are Mainoo and Garnacho.
Just put me on ignore if it gets too difficult. Save the passive aggressive stuff for your loved ones.
I accept your apology.
And fyi, just ask the people who answered too short (in your eyes) and maybe you'll receive some answers. I doubt the reproachful approach will be very fruitful. (and yes, I had to look up the word reproachful)
Fergie talked about his idea of world class in that instance. Not necessarily about legends. And yes, because everybody has a different understanding what that term means it will always be difficult to discuss before finding a definition first that most people will agree on. As you see, the majority in here isn't in favor of the notion of him being a legend so there seems to be a number of people probably with a rather similar understanding of the term. I personally would agree to a poster who said that dire times usually don't produce legends. Had we won a few big trophies with Bruno than his legend status may look different. But I guess, his performance thread wouldn't be as polarized as it is right now as well. By people with extreme unjust criticism and by people who think about calling him a legend...
Possibly the only major signing who has improved at United since Fergie quit. Can anyone think of another?
He is the club captain, great support within fan base, achieved some spectacular individual numbers, the list goes on. He is a player next generation of United players will have to emulate.What the hell???
We're Manchester United, you know.
Edit - Just noticed the OP also says "he must have all the credentials, surely?". Wow.
I don’t rate him but I won’t be dishonest with the reality.
Luke Shaw possibly, depending on your definition of major signing? I'd say he's been a net positive over an extended period - not really his fault he broke his leg either.
Haha
With the way our fans are (well the online ones), no United player is going to achieve legend status unless we start winning leagues, and even then they'll get the same shite Rooney did.
We could have prime Roy Keane in this current side and all that would happen is the caf would blame him the most every time we didn't win.
We could have prime Roy Keane in this current side and all that would happen is the caf would blame him the most every time we didn't win.
I don't see why. People moaned about them while they were playing same as Bruno.
Because the team was trash. None of our players did much to help the team during Moyes season. Is Rooney and Rio out?
In a team of misfits and prima-donnas, Bruno is a legend.
Pretty much. I imagine Robson would have got similar stuff if he played today.
Nah not for me. He muckied his ticket last season with the way he was carrying on at Liverpool. Embarrassing that was. A decent player at times but not a legend for Utd.
When? When did Bryan Robson have a bad game? It is defining because Bruno plays like shite 4 games out of 5. If not more.
Lingard was lazy while Bruno is our best player and has been since he arrived barring the odd good couple of months from Rashford.
Woah….you made the comparison. Or did you just mean the week before he signed?
Leaving out a third of a season isn’t stat picking, it’s because where do you then start and end with the comparison? What time frame would I pick pre Bruno? You were the one who claimed we were worse before he came.
So ok let’s say we include the first 3 months he played. Then we have to include this season also.
Then we have to go back another season to 2015/16 when we won the FA Cup and then it just gets worse for Bruno because it’s now 3 trophies to 1 and we definitely were not worse over the same timeframe before he came as we have been since he came.
Do you mean that Bruno has been our best performing player in all the time he’s been here other than the odd month over that period?
Yes he's done more for the team than any other player over that period.
Absolute nonsense. He has not been our best performing player every month other than a couple. He’s been abysmal all season and was abysmal the season Ronaldo was here….last season Rashford, Casemiro, Martinez and Shaw were better.
“Emotionally veering off topic?”
Just saying things, unfortunately don't make them true. Please read this exchange - do you think you're behaving in a reasonable manner:
Forget you're involved for a second - and make an effort to be honest - do you think that's a normal conversation flow?
I disagreed that he's a United legend and you quoted me with an emotionally charged persecution complex post about "slagging Bruno off and pretending United will turn everything around completely as soon as he's gone" <- Where was any of that said here? And how is it relevant to the discussion regarding him supposedly being a United legend?
I asked you to get back on topic - and you replied about me being arrogant - again, because you somehow decided Bruno was being slagged off because I disagreed with the notions of him being a United legend or that he has all credentials for such. Lastly, you made no points. Your reply doesn't even go with or apply to my post that you quoted. This is odd all around.
I don't think being club captain inherently makes you a legend, and he's captaining arguably our worst period in modern history. Bruno is a polemic/divisive character/player for the fanbase, just look at this thread. Football has changed, his spectacular individual numbers haven't led to much substantial in terms of trophies or periods of dominance for United.
I mean Ronaldo's status as a "legend" is often debated on this forum - and he was the best player in the world and core to one of our most dominant eras as a club - but somehow Bruno Fernandes is a "legend"? Maybe I overestimate our size and history, but I just don't see how Bruno qualifies as one.
Not for each and every single month. I mean over the whole of that period. I mean like the player of the season, not player of the match.