Well to play devil's advocate being the best of a bad bunch does not a legend make.
Will Bruno achieve legend status at utd?
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Well to play devil's advocate being the best of a bad bunch does not a legend make.
63 caps for his country wouldn't exactly support your valuation of the player would it? To add to that he has played his best football for his country during his time at utd.
I read itDid you not read the first line of my post?
In my book: of course he is! As are the others on that list.
Just curious how anyone could even doubt that!He'll be remembered as a great player but a legend? Nah.
Not enough silverware during his prime.
Not enough silverware during his prime.
Can we include Maguire too?
“Carrying” a poor team while also generally failing constantly against good teams doesn’t mean much. Not for legend status at a club like United that’s for sure.
No.
Well it’s a hell of a lot easier to judge a footballer’s ability as a player than as a captain, that’s for damn sure.
This is a stupid thread anyway. There will be no “legends” from an era of such grim underachievement. That should go without saying. Just like it should go without saying one of the very few players who’s actually performed quite well over the last few years is a long way down the list of causes for this underachievement. Captain or not captain.
Robson is a legend because he was literally Roy of the fecking Rovers for us, being the difference in so many huge games. He was an almighty inspiration. Feck me he was god like. Go watch the Barca game and dozens of Liverpool games. He didn’t drop 4-5 out of 10 performances ever….Nevermind 4 games out of 5.
Preach!
I think you're missing the point. I said I was playing devil's advocate. Although, I don't think any of what you said is relevant in an under-performing team though and certainly international performances don't play into him being considered a United legend.
Given the players we've had at the club he'd need to do a lot more, especially in big games and would probably need to be part of a title winning team as that's the standard.
If he leads us to PL or CL glory? Sure. Otherwise, I don't see what legendary feat he has achieved besides being the best of a poor bunch.
Our fan base really don't deserve Bruno.
Not good enough and won't win anything of note, so nah.
He's not very good, loses the ball way too much doing brain dead decisions and is annoying as hell to watch.
I don't even think he's better than what Coutinho was at Liverpool. He wouldn't start for City, Arsenal or Liverpool. He's not levels as much as you wish he was.
“Emotionally veering off topic?”
What a load of nonsense. You display arrogance, yet dont enter the debate with any useful arguments at all, then just try to slag off people who actually do come up with arguments. If you disagree, at least do use arguments/point out where you disagree. Else this forum would just be like 4 year olds yelling at each other, which is frankly what your post reminds me of. Boring stuff.We've not actually been any good barring a few fits and spurts since he's been here.
So, you’re subjective, I’m subjective. But is it really necessary to call me not watching with eyes? I mean come on, we can disagree but .. this? I’ve watched every game like you probably have. At least I can respect you have a different opinion than me.
I just dont see Bruno being as bad as you’ve mentioned. To me he’s been carrying the team on many occasions and Ronaldo’s season was only good on paper imo. He didnt run for the team, he created a toxic atmosphere, all at the cost of a team (including Bruno) that was worse off with him here imo.
God no.
Also: we were worse before he came here.
Nah, he's my favorite player currently but it's hard to see him at the same level as guys like Rooney, Ronaldo, Keane, Giggs, Beckham etc. It's also hard to remember many games where he was absolutely impossible to defend. All these guys had atleast a few games every season where they were like the sheer force of nature.
Has to be a key part of winning a big trophy unfortunately.
If he quits now, nope not a legend. If he continues to play like he has this season for another 5 years not then either. But if he would go back to the form of his first season and captain us to a dramatic PL win, maybe.
@Scandi Red the 7500 united away fans were singing Solskjaer songs throughout the match on Monday. Make no mistake Solskjaer is still a legend in Manchester.
Oh I'm not in doubt nor in disagreement!
Chris Smalling is closer to being a legend.
That doesn’t actually play out.
Going off full seasons Bruno has been here for 3 seasons 22/23, 21/22, 20/21 in comparison to 3 seasons prior (excluding 19/20 where he came over halfway through) 16/17, 17/18, 18/19
with Bruno
w60 d27 l27 gf188 ga144 pts207
pre Bruno
w62 d30 l22 gf187 ga111 pts216
We won more, drew more and lost less before he came…We conceded 25% less goals before he came.
We also won more trophies.
Players achieve legendary status mainly from what they do in the biggest moments like Ole, Robson or Giggs or by leading us to titles with consistent performances like Scholes, Ruud, Vidic. Then there are players that combine both like Keane, Cantona, Rooney and Ronaldo.
What is Bruno's biggest individual moment as a United player? I have no bloody idea and in years to come will remember his big game stinkers more than any actual performance. On the second point, he only has one trophy here which is a measly Carabao cup and if anyone led us to that it was probably Casemiro.
Players like Gerrard, Totti, Griezmann, Shearer and Vardy were in positions where their teams weren't the strongest but still had their campaign where they led their team with inspiring moments to win big trophies. An exception to this is Kane and Son but compare their individual honours to Bruno and you seen they are a different tier of player.
If Bruno is a legend then you open the door to people like Rashford, Berbatov and Nani who obviously aren't legends either.
What is Bruno's biggest individual moment as a United player? I have no bloody idea and in years to come will remember his big game stinkers more than any actual performance. On the second point, he only has one trophy here which is a measly Carabao cup and if anyone led us to that it was probably Casemiro.
Players like Gerrard, Totti, Griezmann, Shearer and Vardy were in positions where their teams weren't the strongest but still had their campaign where they led their team with inspiring moments to win big trophies. An exception to this is Kane and Son but compare their individual honours to Bruno and you seen they are a different tier of player.
If Bruno is a legend then you open the door to people like Rashford, Berbatov and Nani who obviously aren't legends either.
Not a chance.
And people say that Arsenal fans are deluded
And I’m not arguing that he should be a club legend. Just highlighting the terrible logic in your posts. Which is about as interesting as this ridiculous thread gets.
It's difficult to label someone a Manchester United legend if they're not a major part of us winning some major trophies, I think. The bar will obviously be different for United and other clubs. Added to that Bruno himself is an extremely inconsistent player who is frustrating half the time.
He would have been brilliant with scholes and Carrick behind him
Not sure about the legend tag- although he has time to make it- but whatever you think of his ability he's unquestionably one of about 4 or 5 genuinely very good signings we've made in the post SAF era. That's not an exaggeration either, such is the level of shite, mediocrity or bad attitudes we've signed in the past 11 years 
I dont find these comparison very apt to be fair. And to me this smells of statpicking. The last 3 years under Mourinho you mention is in a very well funded team with one of the best managers in modern football and who had an overly big focus on defence. Compare it to Solskjær being more attacking, terrible Rangnick and all the defensive aspects of those two. You cant just attribute a 25% decrease to just one man. Well yes you can, if you statpick. But you mentioned not having eyes. Did you not see his first half season here?
why exclude that half season which was one of Bruno’s best parts where he hit the ground running? Because we had a really good run and it might tip the stats, thats why it doesnt count in your stats.
That half season tips quite a lot. In 14 games Bruno had 8 goals and 7 assists and we won 9, drew 5 and lost 0 in the 19/20 season after he arrived. Ask any United fan with eyes and they could see the effect he had on a team that was in a slump.
before that it’s 9w 7d 8l in the same season. Funny you just nulled his effect in that season and didnt count it in the stats against him.
Sure you can count trophies and it’s 2 vs 1 but was Bruno the only player on the field since you can attribute 2 sets of 25 players achievements of trophies down to just one player? Can i categorize David May as better than Gerrard too then?
Granted, his current season is not great at all, but he’s been the main factor here for years now.
Park shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same vein as Carrick. One was the most important midfielder during the most successful spell in the clubs history and the other was a squad player who occasionally had good spells in the side.
Legend is supposed to be something really special...
He will achieve legend status only if we win something of value (CL, EPL) during his time here. Which doesn't seem doable right now.
It is not his fault we are not doing well; he has been our best player since he arrived. Unfortunately, most of the other players are just average or they are often injured. It would be nice if the 400 million we spent in the past 18 months had added 2 or 3 world-class players who play every week, but it didn't happen.
It is not his fault we are not doing well; he has been our best player since he arrived. Unfortunately, most of the other players are just average or they are often injured. It would be nice if the 400 million we spent in the past 18 months had added 2 or 3 world-class players who play every week, but it didn't happen.
No one in their right mind would argue against Gerrard being a Liverpool's legend though.
Just because he’s the best of a bad bunch?
Hell no for me. Our last legend was De Gea.
Bruno with his personality and attitude - no thanks
Hell no for me. Our last legend was De Gea.
Bruno with his personality and attitude - no thanks